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Grots
Hq-230
Warboss, Power Klaw, Mega Armour, BossPole, Cybork,combi-skorcha-145
Warp Head-85
Troops-920
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
Fast-429
X3 WarTrakks, Grot Riggers,x3 T-L Rokkit-135
X3 WarTrakks, Grot Riggers,x3 T-L Rokkit-135
X3 WarTrakks, Grot Riggers,x3 Skorcha-150
Heavy-422
X3 Killa Kans-x3 Skorcha-120
X3 Killa Kans-Kustom x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
X3 Zapp Guns ,+6 Crew,Runtherd,x3 ammo runts-143
1998

This list would most likely get slaughtered pretty fast by blasts, Mech guard would have a field day. Gretchin are not that great for a main troop choice, their good for bubble wrapping lootas so they get a cover save, and their good for sitting in the back holding an objective. If you just want a fluffy Grot list, than go for it. Also, the big gunz. Zzap guns just aren't as good as kannons, turn them into kannons. Don't even bother giving your buggies the trakk upgrade. just go with normal rokkit buggies. Mega armor on the boss probably isn't that good either, seeing as though their is no dedicated transport for him. just give him 'eavy armor. Warp heads are fun, but don't do that much in the long run because of their unreliability. As for the kans, they have the best BS in the codex, don't give them scorchas, put Grotzookas on them for a good anti-infantry punch.

That's a lotta gretchin.

Cool theme but I agree Bombboy 1252 be careful of blast weapons.

bombboy1252 wrote: Also, the big gunz. Zzap guns just aren't as good as kannons, turn them into kannons. Don't even bother giving your buggies the trakk upgrade. just go with normal rokkit buggies. Mega armor on the boss probably isn't that good either, seeing as though their is no dedicated transport for him. just give him 'eavy armor. Warp heads are fun, but don't do that much in the long run because of their unreliability. As for the kans, they have the best BS in the codex, don't give them scorchas, put Grotzookas on them for a good anti-infantry punch.

fair points fair points. why aren't zzap guns worth it? They're s7 on average and can get S 10 regularly. Seems worth it to me but I don't play orks. Enlighten me.

Over 9000! wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote: Also, the big gunz. Zzap guns just aren't as good as kannons, turn them into kannons. Don't even bother giving your buggies the trakk upgrade. just go with normal rokkit buggies. Mega armor on the boss probably isn't that good either, seeing as though their is no dedicated transport for him. just give him 'eavy armor. Warp heads are fun, but don't do that much in the long run because of their unreliability. As for the kans, they have the best BS in the codex, don't give them scorchas, put Grotzookas on them for a good anti-infantry punch.

fair points fair points. why aren't zzap guns worth it? They're s7 on average and can get S 10 regularly. Seems worth it to me but I don't play orks. Enlighten me.

it's mainly the fact that their unreliable. You can get as low as a S2 shot. Also, if you get more than 10 you kill off one of your crew. But with a Kannon, you get either a S4 AP5 blast (crappy) Or you can chose to shoot a strength 8 AP 3 shot. The S8 shot is usually better than what you would get on a Zzap gun, the only thing is it's AP 3 instead of 2, but that's not that much of a difference. Also, you have to pay an additional 10 points per gun.

Heh... this Army called 'The Green Wave'?

Be sure to let your opponent know you can't play spearhead deployment games.

Haha, Katfude, I lol'd

Personally I'd drop some gretchin and get some Killa Kans, I mean they're piloted by gretchin and god knows are alot better at charging up than the little green blighters themselfs.

And imagine if a Tesla destructor got the arc off against this list...

Chaos Lord Gir wrote: imagine if a Tesla destructor got the arc off against this list...

Oh God...
I put in six killa kan but maybe nine would be better, ill make sure to change the weapons too. Draft two in n hour or so, any other ideas, keep it fluffy but if their are units that aren't normally grots that can be made grotty do tell.

180 models is a bitch to fight

Grots
Hq-200
Warboss, Power Klaw, Eavy Armor, BossPole, Combi-Skorcha-100
Warboss, Power Klaw, Eav y Armor,BossPole, Combi-Skorcha-100
Eites-75
X5 Burna Grots-75
Troops-920
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
Fast-375
X3 WarBuggys, Grot Riggers,x3 T-L Rokkit-120
X3 WarBuggys, Grot Riggers,x3 T-L Rokkit-120
X3 WarBuggys, Grot Riggers,x3 Skorcha-135
Heavy-422
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
1992

Over 9000! wrote:Grots
Hq-200
Warboss, Power Klaw, Eavy Armor, BossPole, Combi-Skorcha-100
Warboss, Power Klaw, Eav y Armor,BossPole, Combi-Skorcha-100
Eites-75
X5 Burna Grots-75
Troops-920
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
Fast-375
X3 WarBuggys, Grot Riggers,x3 T-L Rokkit-120
X3 WarBuggys, Grot Riggers,x3 T-L Rokkit-120
X3 WarBuggys, Grot Riggers,x3 Skorcha-135
Heavy-422
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
1992

Your total list points comes out to the year I was born :O

im2randomghgh wrote:180 models is a bitch to fight

Maybe 180 boyz, but 180 Grots are going to get destroyed.


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Over 9000! wrote:Grots
Hq-200
Warboss, Power Klaw, Eavy Armor, BossPole, Combi-Skorcha-100
Warboss, Power Klaw, Eav y Armor,BossPole, Combi-Skorcha-100
Eites-75
X5 Burna Grots-75
Troops-920
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
Fast-375
X3 WarBuggys, Grot Riggers,x3 T-L Rokkit-120
X3 WarBuggys, Grot Riggers,x3 T-L Rokkit-120
X3 WarBuggys, Grot Riggers,x3 Skorcha-135
Heavy-422
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
1992

A few things, don't take those Burnas unless you have a transport for them, their not worth it. Also, the buggys, I think you where better off with big gunz (kannons) because the buggys are going to be slowed down by the massive amount of gretchin you have on the field, unless you deploy them in the front, but than they might be blown up by turn 1 shooting.

On your original list, Mega Armour comes with a PK, and you can't get a second one- that'd free up 25 points for you.

ON both lists, Grot riggers are useless in Squadrons, unless they're on the very last model- so unless you're putting them on just to be fluffy (which I heartily approve of, mind you!) you''ll want to take off at least 2, maybe all 3 from each squadron.

Whoo! KMB Kanz!

And go ahead with the Warphead and Zzap guns if you want. Why not throw in a SAGMek too while your at it, just for the sheer chaos all those random effects would cause?

Anvildude wrote:And go ahead with the Warphead and Zzap guns if you want. Why not throw in a SAGMek too while your at it, just for the sheer chaos all those random effects would cause?

The army list forum is for trying to make a list more competitive, usually not more fluffy. He never specified if he wanted a fluffy list or a competitive list, so I was assuming a more competitive one. And Warpheads, Zzap guns, and SAG meks are not competitive. SAG meks can be devastating, but they don't come close to the usefulness as the KFF mek, which if you get a big mek HQ, is what you should be giving him if you run in tournaments.

I'm all for having a fun, go crazy Ork list. But not in the army list section.

Considering grots have no save whatsover, I think you should at least add in a Big Mek KFF / Super Runtherder to herd this mass of grots and give them some semblance of a chance to making it halfway across the board.

Guy on here Anvildude was telling me about a list he saw at an actual tourney something like this:

Dok Grotnsik 160
Ghazzy

X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-+ 33 Cybork
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-33 Cybork
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-33 Cybork
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-33 Cybork
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-33 Cybork

Snikrot +Komammandoes.

Dok and Ghaz deployed w snikrot for deathstar of doom while Cyborked grethchins multi assault and tarpit everything. Try killing 180 cyborked grethchin in 5 rounds ffs, all the while waiting for ghaz and mad dok and snikrot to buttrape your back line.

Cybergrots for the win!

The only problem is that despite the 5+ save, grots do not have mob rule. They would be extremely vulnerable to sweeping advances.

Nah each runt herder has what basically amounts to a boss pole. I think you get 3 rerolls on failed leadership.

Squig hounds mean you can re-roll, but lose d3 Grots. I think. It might be auto-pass.

And Grotsnik may have been on his own or with a Cybergrot unit, giving that unit FnP and some extra CC punch.

My copy of Codex:Orks doesn't have Squig hounds or Grabba sticks in the point cost section. Weird. How much do they cost?


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Cyber-grots sounds pretty cool


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bombboy1252 wrote:

Anvildude wrote:And go ahead with the Warphead and Zzap guns if you want. Why not throw in a SAGMek too while your at it, just for the sheer chaos all those random effects would cause?

The army list forum is for trying to make a list more competitive, usually not more fluffy. He never specified if he wanted a fluffy list or a competitive list, so I was assuming a more competitive one. And Warpheads, Zzap guns, and SAG meks are not competitive. SAG meks can be devastating, but they don't come close to the usefulness as the KFF mek, which if you get a big mek HQ, is what you should be giving him if you run in tournaments.

I'm all for having a fun, go crazy Ork list. But not in the army list section.

To answer your question I'm looking for something in the middle. This is an all grot list and it needs to be fluffy. Obviously an all grot list won't compete against leafblower or draigowing or razerfang or whatnot but I am looking to make a pretty good list that can challenge most lists and be competitive enough, I'm not entering Nova with this or anything heck I don't even collect orks, I was just reading the codex and I said to myself wow an all grots list would be pretty cool. Anyway I figure mass s3 shots could be alright against most things. I like the cyber grot idea and a Sagmek might be fun, I've always liked random weapons, they make stuff fun.

I'd use the kans, and that way you may be able to play Operation: Cover Save, until the gretchin get in close. You desperately need to watch for any kind of templates, however.

It'd be interesting to make use of Grotsnik, for the sake of the cybork bodies for whatever models you want to pay for. It would also cut down the number of models you'd need to paint. He'd also grant them the fearless, which would help immensely with their typical leadership.

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I should add, with the combination of a cybork'd grot squad and fearless from Grotsnik, you've got a squad great for hitting monstrous creatures unless they kite you. Poisonous weapons. <3

Haha, I would love to play this with the Storm guardian army i was messing around with. 120 Storm Guardians against this many Grotz would be an amazing blood bath.

But I feel you should make the Buggies like the old Grot Rebel sail powered vehicles like they had in Gorkamorka... would be epic

does your flgs allow forgeworld? if so, check out the grot tank squad. scrap the buggies, and fill instead with grot-sized, grot piloted tanks with random movement, killa kan weapon selection, and a built-in invuln. not only that but the craziest, most awesome, most absolutely insane unit to come out of forgeworld in a while.

Oh my god oh my god oh my god I completely forgot about forge world, I'm almost wetting myself, new list up asap I think I'll do it at 3000 so it's not objectionable to use apoc formations.

Ya, Grot tanks and grot mega tanks would be cool addition.

Looks like a fun list to play apart from the appaulingly boring movement phase

I would say one thing:
max out on killa kanz with KMBs/Rokkits (this is your anti-tank, protect them) take 2xKFF big meks (tooled up with CB,PK,etc) as HQ, then essentially you have an insane amount of small bodies with cover saves keeping your tank killers nicely bubble wrapped, you've got plenty of anti-infantry shots in the grots themselves.

But at the end of the day it's your list, if you want buggies and big gunz go for it, but even with a fluffy list I wouldn't reccommend zzap guns.

Kannons are much better than zzap gunz because you can guarantee your strength is suitable for purpose, i.e shoot a tank go with S8 AP3, shoot a unit go with S4AP5Blast. With a zzap gun you might end up shooting a guardsman with a S10 shot then crying with dismay as you only roll S3 when firing at his LR Punisher, and all for the privelege of 10pts more than a kannon

for a fun army, i'd go with it and get a nother player to field something similar. Tau have BS3, as do Grechin - or hows that spelled :S
but lol, that IS a lot of models XD

Another thing I heard of doing for green tide formations that would work here is placing 2-3 boyz / grots onto a larger base. These get placed in the blob of the squad and are mainly just for speed of movement. If it ever becomes a game issue, you swap out with casualties or remove the large bases first.

While it is not "legal" by any stretch of the rules, I have yet to come across any opponent who is against anything that speeds up movement of horde armies.