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To answer your question I'm looking for something in the middle. This is an all grot list and it needs to be fluffy. Obviously an all grot list won't compete against leafblower or draigowing or razerfang or whatnot but I am looking to make a pretty good list that can challenge most lists and be competitive enough, I'm not entering Nova with this or anything heck I don't even collect orks, I was just reading the codex and I said to myself wow an all grots list would be pretty cool. Anyway I figure mass s3 shots could be alright against most things. I like the cyber grot idea and a Sagmek might be fun, I've always liked random weapons, they make stuff fun.

Cybergrots + grotsnik+snikrot + ghaz will win you games. You won't really need anything else. Grotsnik is arguably better in cc than a warboss (str 10 klaw and poison weapon for monster nasties T5 S5 5+ invul and 4+ armor + FNP). Ghaz needs no explanation, he just kills everything, have him use sniknrot's ambush special rule and he now gets to enter the game from any table edge he likes. I would do it myself cept for the 100+ painting grethchin thing lol. Not sure how it would stack up against a draigowing, but Ghaz +snikrot +15 kommandos has about as good a chance as anything vs draigo and his pallies I would think- heck, take the cybergrots and tarpit draigo the whole game while ghaz kills everything else. It would be hilarious to see that punk Draigo reduced to 1-2 attack by the mighty runt herders.

Hehe. Everyone seems to forget about the Runtherds. They, by themselves, make Gretchin into the best Monstrous Creature hunters we have. Oh, your Trygon has 4 attacks? Now let's see... 4-3=1! Well dang, you killed a grot. Good thing I have 29 more!

And even with Grots, there's always that chance of a lucky hit, especially with that many.

And everyone knows, grots are obscenely lucky. I would recommend ghaz and snkirot w/kommandos, and and the mad Dok with a unit of cybergrotz, 5+invul and fnp.. just say they are Grotsniks helpers who bring him back to life in his fluff entry.

I think the only real point of cyborking grots is for the runtherd or fluffy reasons. I mean they are eight points. That is even more than boys.If your going to do that you might as well do it to boys.

OP: I love the list. Very annoying to fight probably.

One tip, move the grts at the back to the front and leave the ones at the front where they are. That means it takes almost the some amount of time to move any sized unit.

Actually, the point of Cyborking Grots is to have a dirt cheap model that has a 1/3 chance of ignoring anything you throw at it, that comes in massive hordes. The save's better than a basic boy's save, anyways, and the Runtherds are rather useful.

My friend ran a list like this for laughs once. Actually did really well against me and my blood angels. Bloody tar pitting my army while his Kans and dreads went around bashing everything else up.

Can anybody tell me the points cost/stats of grot tanks, I found the mega tank rules but I can't find the normal grot tank ones, I'm really hype about making this list so if anyone can help me out that'd be awesome

Over 9000! wrote:Can anybody tell me the points cost/stats of grot tanks, I found the mega tank rules but I can't find the normal grot tank ones, I'm really hype about making this list so if anyone can help me out that'd be awesome

Sorry, we can't post unit stats on dakka.

bombboy1252 wrote:

Over 9000! wrote:Can anybody tell me the points cost/stats of grot tanks, I found the mega tank rules but I can't find the normal grot tank ones, I'm really hype about making this list so if anyone can help me out that'd be awesome

Sorry, we can't post unit stats on dakka.

Can you link me? Or at least tell me points cost and weapon options, same guns options as killa kans right?

I dont care how bad gretchins are.... with that many ur sure to cause trouble.
Make sure you can fill an anti-tank role with your traks and just run the gretchins forward until they get to combat!
180 Gretchins charging = 360 attacks.
Average of 120 Hits, 40-50 wounds.
40 2+ saves against 5 terminators for example.....
Units will die.
All you have to hope is that they dont get blasted away to fast.

Gekoguy wrote:I dont care how bad gretchins are.... with that many ur sure to cause trouble.
Make sure you can fill an anti-tank role with your traks and just run the gretchins forward until they get to combat!
180 Gretchins charging = 360 attacks.
Average of 120 Hits, 40-50 wounds.
40 2+ saves against 5 terminators for example.....
Units will die.
All you have to hope is that they dont get blasted away to fast.

That's assuming every single grot manages to fit into contact with one termie unit tho...and if it's LC they'll attack last.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Gekoguy wrote:I dont care how bad gretchins are.... with that many ur sure to cause trouble.
Make sure you can fill an anti-tank role with your traks and just run the gretchins forward until they get to combat!
180 Gretchins charging = 360 attacks.
Average of 120 Hits, 40-50 wounds.
40 2+ saves against 5 terminators for example.....
Units will die.
All you have to hope is that they dont get blasted away to fast.

That's assuming every single grot manages to fit into contact with one termie unit tho...and if it's LC they'll attack last.

x5 twin LC termys charge, 20 attacks, 13 hits, 12 wounds, over half of the squad is left.
The point of this list is to overwhelm opponents with numbers. This list doesn't mind losing 50 models, my 2000 point crons or csm don't even have 50 models.

Can anyone tell me the points cost of a grot tank?

well take 30 grots against 5 Terminators....
60 attacks...
Average of 30 hits....
Average of 10-15 Wounds....
thats at least 2-3 wounds per terminator...

So looking at the dice roll.

1/6 chance to roll a 1 on a dice.
2 wounds = 1/3 chance of a single 1 roll per terminator.


And your not going to face an army of terminators so thats the worse situation.

If you come up against 10 marines just put 60 against them.
As long as you get as many as possible with 2" of a model in base contact you can make your attacks with them.

Over 9000! wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Gekoguy wrote:I dont care how bad gretchins are.... with that many ur sure to cause trouble.
Make sure you can fill an anti-tank role with your traks and just run the gretchins forward until they get to combat!
180 Gretchins charging = 360 attacks.
Average of 120 Hits, 40-50 wounds.
40 2+ saves against 5 terminators for example.....
Units will die.
All you have to hope is that they dont get blasted away to fast.

That's assuming every single grot manages to fit into contact with one termie unit tho...and if it's LC they'll attack last.

x5 twin LC termys charge, 20 attacks, 13 hits, 12 wounds, over half of the squad is left.
The point of this list is to overwhelm opponents with numbers. This list doesn't mind losing 50 models, my 2000 point crons or csm don't even have 50 models.

Can anyone tell me the points cost of a grot tank?

A single grot tank, with no upgrades or anything is 30 points

With exactly 200 models in this list your opponent must average at 40 Models per turn to kill in a standard 5 turn game. Now that might sound easy but you put that with rolling to hit and then wound.....
200 model armies dont just get tabled that easily

They're in the raid of kastorel novum book. Along with my fav type of orky list i do love me some deff dreads as troop choices.

1 termy cost over 13 grots. How bout them apples?


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new list with grot tanks soon. Also what foc do they take up? Fast?

And 180 Grots only costs around 720 points with Herders. It'd be easy enough to add Grotsnik and Cybork all of them for an additional 900 points (for just the Cyborking), and you even have a little left over for some Kanz or Big Gunz, or even a KFF Mek.

Factor that into your mathammer, with 5++ saves on every one of the buggers.

Over 9000! wrote:1 termy cost over 13 grots. How bout them apples?


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new list with grot tanks soon. Also what foc do they take up? Fast?

yes, their in squads of 3-6

If you get the FW grot tanks, you could just "counts as" and use them as the buggies.
That way you get to use your high speed FW minis every game.

18 Grot tanks it is, screw it I can do 2000 I don't even need apoc formations.

Grot tanks are amazingly awesome. 18 of them with rokkits or KMB would be a hell of an anti-tank unit(s)

So when I finished my first try at the list I had six max grot squads and the tanks had grotzookas. I realized my only anti-tank is the kans and they would get targeted od. So I took out a grot squad for kmb for twelve grot tanks, I think it's worth it in this parking lot infested metta. I didn't know the weapon costs of the grot tanks so I used the killa kan costs. I have a good feeling about this army, I think it could be competitive, and it's deliciously fluffy. I don't know I guess thats your job to figure out. Anyway this is draft #3
Grots
Hq-90
Big Mek,Kff,Boss Pole-90
Troops-600
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
Fast-690
X6 Grot tanks, x6Big shootas-210
X6 Grot tanks, x6 Kustom Mega-Blaster-300
X6 Grot tanks, x6 Kustom Mega-Blaster-300
Heavy-495
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
1995



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What happens when vehicles get hot?

Nada. That's one of the biggest advantages to Zzap guns on Wagons and KMBs on Kans.

It's funny, really. Here I am, participating in this thread about Grots, and I don't even particularly like the little buggers! I'm a Nob man, myself.

Here's a list I came up with that you might like.

---HQ---
Big Mek
-Kff

---Troops---

30 Gretchin
-3 Runtherds

30 Gretchin
-3 Runtherds

30 Gretchin
-3 Runt herds

-30 Gretchin
-3 runtherds

---Fast---

5 Grot tanks
- 5 KMB RPJ
--1 Grot Kommanda
- 2 KMB RPJ

5 Grot tanks
- 5 KMB RPJ
-- Grot Kommanda
- 2 KMB RPJ

5 Grot tanks
-5 KMB RPJ
-- 1 Grot kommanda
-2 KMB RPJ

--Heavy---

3 Kill kans
-3 Grotzookas

3 Killa kans
-3 Grotzookas

3 Killa kans
- Grotzookas

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2000 points.

Anvildude wrote:Actually, the point of Cyborking Grots is to have a dirt cheap model that has a 1/3 chance of ignoring anything you throw at it, that comes in massive hordes. The save's better than a basic boy's save, anyways, and the Runtherds are rather useful.

My point was, a +5 upgrade is still only 5 pts no matter how pricy the mini. If you get boys that is a lot less +5 pt upgrades but a lot more saved when you do pass a save, Furious charge, Fleat Feat and T4.

One fact about cyborks is that at basic they are always baed around that 5 pts, therefore they do not vary quite as much as normal ork units. For the cost of two grots you can get a boy, considered a lot better for a majority. Whereas a cybergrot costs 8pts and a cybork costs 11pts. The difference between a boy and a grot has to always be 3 if you upgrade them equally and therefore the more you upgrade the grot the worse, relatively speaking, they are for points economy.

That is the greatest downfall of Grotsnik is that a cybork body costs the same for a grot as it does a warboss. Although that is what's fun about it, it's not fare. It takes a bit of brain juice just to think, i it worth it?

I mean I like grot armies, and they can work wonders in a very situational way. And I have been tempted by them quite a few times in the past. But leave the cyborking to the orks. After all we have stuff like slasha nobs and painbosses. Now deamons have been nerfed we are practically deigned for 5++ spam.


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Over 9000! wrote:So when I finished my first try at the list I had six max grot squads and the tanks had grotzookas. I realized my only anti-tank is the kans and they would get targeted od. So I took out a grot squad for kmb for twelve grot tanks, I think it's worth it in this parking lot infested metta. I didn't know the weapon costs of the grot tanks so I used the killa kan costs. I have a good feeling about this army, I think it could be competitive, and it's deliciously fluffy. I don't know I guess thats your job to figure out. Anyway this is draft #3
Grots
Hq-90
Big Mek,Kff,Boss Pole-90
Troops-600
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
X30 Gretchin,x3 Runtherd-120
Fast-690
X6 Grot tanks, x6Big shootas-210
X6 Grot tanks, x6 Kustom Mega-Blaster-300
X6 Grot tanks, x6 Kustom Mega-Blaster-300
Heavy-495
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
X3 Killa Kans- x3 Kustom Mega Blaster-165
1995



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What happens when vehicles get hot?

Very scary to fight probably. But is the KFF really neccesary? after all you aren't going to cover all those grots with a 6inch template. The enemy can just pic on the grots outside the template.

KMBs are normally considered not worth it. It's your call TBH, I haven't tried them and even then it does not matter as long you think they work.

Short of that, looks very nice.

KMB's are bad on infantry, but on vehicles you don't have to worry about gets hot. and for 5 more points than a rokkit you get AP2 so termies don't get their armor save.

The only infantry models that can take a KMB are meks/big meks. For a big mek you don't want the "gets hot" rule taking out 1 of your 2 wounds. For normal meks....well......you never want to have a normal mek in your army, unless you're playing IA8, in which case you have to because you don't get nobz

Fair enough.

Though it also depends on what enemy you normally face. If facing draigowing then rokkits are a bit useless.

See now I have an overwhelming urge to buy a large number of epic ork vehicles, count them as cybork grots.

Convert runtherds as grots with remote controls, and not sure about the rest of the stuff...

Methinks, Zelagil, that you don't quite understand the KFF. If even a single model in a unit is in the 6" bubble, the entire unit gets the save. That's the 'Kustom' part of it. You can potentially cover the entire side of your table with a single KFF if you're running hordes.