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2012/01/20 10:48:20
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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With the new Grey Knights and Necron codexes, 40k is starting to sound awfully like Warhammer in space...if you agree, what might be your thoughts on the matter, and what else can you predict might change in the future?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/01/20 10:50:34
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/20 10:51:09
Subject: Re:[Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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It's always been Warhammer in Space. Why would the Grey Knight release be seen as moving towards more of this?
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2012/01/20 10:53:33
Subject: Re:[Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It started out as Warhammer in space and has never really strayed to far from that idea, just the game mechanics have split off, but the concepts are still there.
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2012/01/20 10:54:53
Subject: Re:[Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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AlmightyWalrus wrote:It's always been Warhammer in Space. Why would the Grey Knight release be seen as moving towards more of this?
Wasn't GW's official stance since 4th Edition that they were making 40k unique from Warhammer? The Grey Knights from Codex: Daemonhunters were like Astartes, but with their new Codex, they seem less like Astartes and more like a Knightly Order or something from Warhammer Fantasy. The Necron Codex is quite obvious in it's similarity to the Tomb Kings, while the 'oldcrons' were if similar to undead, were definitely more evil and different than the Tomb Kings. Correct me if I'm wrong, don't know much about Warhammer Fantasy, and my apologies if I offend anyone.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/01/20 10:56:21
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/20 10:57:02
Subject: Re:[Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Lady of the Lake
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Becoming? More or less it has been trying to distance itself from just being Warhammer in space.
If I remember correctly originally it was the same universe anyway with the WHFB planet within the 40k universe. But it has since been retconned to make them separate.
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2012/01/20 10:58:15
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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The new Necron Codex doesn't look it...starting to suspect 'someone' is trying to merge them again.
Who knows? Maybe in a few Editions that 'someone' will say Warhammer is Age of Strife Terra or something...
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/01/20 10:59:26
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/20 10:58:29
Subject: Re:[Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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40K has always been a port of WHFB to space. We used to have space dwarves even. Heck, I'm surprised theres no space skaven.
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2012/01/20 11:02:29
Subject: Re:[Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Kaldor wrote:40K has always been a port of WHFB to space. We used to have space dwarves even. Heck, I'm surprised theres no space skaven.
I know that it was supposed to be an extension since RT to 3rd Edition, but since 4th I was under the impression they were trying to avoid that, with the Imperium becoming more monolithic and less feudal, and the introduction of the Tau and the removal of the Squats. The recent Necron Codex and the new Grey Knights Codex (to a lesser degree) has gotten me suspicious about where the fluff is heading.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/20 11:02:40
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Terrifying Wraith
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It isn't. But "Space Egyptians" was the best way to give the Necrons more personality, and the "Knightly Order"-type thing is to make the Grey Knights distinct from the Astartes.
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2012/01/20 11:03:26
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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There is a theory that sigmar is one of the lost sons of the emperor; excluding that 40k has slowly been drifting away from whfb until the cron dex
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2012/01/20 11:04:23
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:... "Knightly Order"-type thing is to make the Grey Knights distinct from the Astartes.
They're supposed to be Astartes...the legendary Chapter 666, and the ultimate answer of the Imperium to the Great Enemy. And Egyptians in space has already been filled...by the Thousand Sons Legion...
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/01/20 11:14:48
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/20 11:24:24
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Raging Ravener
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Or is WHFB becoming a low-tech version of 40k?
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 More than 7pts, less than 7000...just 
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2012/01/20 11:28:14
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Boggy79 wrote:Or is WHFB becoming a low-tech version of 40k?
Since Fantasy came before 40k, I don't think so. Or maybe they're starting to switch...Fantasy is becoming more religion-based, while 40k is starting to show signs of becoming Fantasy is starting to move away from.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/20 11:34:15
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Lady of the Lake
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Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:There is a theory that sigmar is one of the lost sons of the emperor; excluding that 40k has slowly been drifting away from whfb until the cron dex
There's also the one where Sigmar is the Emperor but it isn't as popular as Sigmar as a Primarch.
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2012/01/20 11:43:16
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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n0t_u wrote:Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:There is a theory that sigmar is one of the lost sons of the emperor; excluding that 40k has slowly been drifting away from whfb until the cron dex
There's also the one where Sigmar is the Emperor but it isn't as popular as Sigmar as a Primarch.
I was under the impression that GW had already disowned the idea.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/20 11:47:04
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Lady of the Lake
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Theories can still exist. Despite there never being confirmation of it being correct.
GW will never say it is, but people will still think it's a possibility.
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2012/01/20 11:49:55
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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40k started out as Fantasy in space, but a few issues have sent it drifting back to becoming that again. The Daemons codex shouldn't exist in 40k for one thing.
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2012/01/20 11:51:56
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Lady of the Lake
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It is sort of confusing trying to separate the two yet having the faction across the two settings. As long as Daemons are around they will never truly be separate from each other.
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2012/01/20 11:52:39
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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n0t_u wrote:Theories can still exist. Despite there never being confirmation of it being correct.
GW will never say it is, but people will still think it's a possibility.
So it's like the Blood Ravens and the Thousand Sons; GW won't say anything, and just let the fans and players argue and think about it? Kinda sad, and a bit irritating.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/20 11:53:44
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Lady of the Lake
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It is true of any setting with holes, fans will add and speculate. Some will take on board and clarify others will just ignore.
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2012/01/20 11:57:57
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Regular Dakkanaut
Antioch CA
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Warhammer in space???!!
Its not like they have armies that are in WHFB and 40k, that would be ridiculous
What's that? They have Orks in space?
And they have Killa Kans!!??
Enough of my trolling around a tad.
What exactly do you mean, the lore the gameplay or the look of the units??
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2012/01/20 11:58:46
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Lore. And if it progresses, the look also in a couple of codexes, or maybe even the next codex.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/20 16:44:53
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Tadashi wrote:Boggy79 wrote:Or is WHFB becoming a low-tech version of 40k?
Since Fantasy came before 40k, I don't think so. Or maybe they're starting to switch...Fantasy is becoming more religion-based, while 40k is starting to show signs of becoming Fantasy is starting to move away from.
I thought the sarcasm in my post was obvious 
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2012/01/20 16:45:53
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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It's always been Warhammer in space. That's why it's called Warhammer 40,000.
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2012/01/20 16:48:10
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Wing Commander
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Brother SRM wrote:It's always been Warhammer in space. That's why it's called Warhammer 40,000.
I think this sums up this thread the best. It's even in the name .
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2012/01/20 18:14:30
Subject: Re:[Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Tadashi wrote:The Grey Knights from Codex: Daemonhunters were like Astartes, but with their new Codex, they seem less like Astartes and more like a Knightly Order or something from Warhammer Fantasy.
... The hell prompted you to think that ?
They've been called Grey Knights since their creation. Their fluff just thickened with time, and it always had that knightly feeling to it.
It's not a stretch of the mind to have paragons of sanctity in heavy armour appear like SF knights.
Heck, we already have space Norsemen (Vikings), space Romans, space Teutonic Knights... I'm seeing a pattern.
As for Necrons that's another thing, they definitely taste like Tomb Kings recycled in space. I was perfectly happy with the Lovecraftian aspect of their prior incarnation.
"Hi, we're implacable metal monsters born from one of the first sentient races of the galaxy. Our gods eat suns for breakfast. Our technology is physically impossible by your standards of reality. We nearly wiped your creators millenia ago. Have a happy mass extinction."
Now I find them much more... relatable. Infinitely less eldritch and menacing. And they smell too much like Tomb Kings.
That's just one opinion though.
Oh, and while I'm at it, why in hell did they feel the need to replace the old Flayed Ones models ? (I'll whack the first that replies "For profit !".) They're so superior to the new ones...
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2012/01/20 18:17:18
Subject: Re:[Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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I think Warhammer 40k is basically Warhammer Fantasy is space. But, Warhammer Fantasy is really just LotR without the IP.
40k and Fantasy did start out as being much more directly related, and that relation has diminished over time. But, it's still around in plenty of aspects.
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2012/01/20 18:52:19
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:It isn't. But "Space Egyptians" was the best way to give the Necrons more personality, and the "Knightly Order"-type thing is to make the Grey Knights distinct from the Astartes.
but that doesn't exactly distinguish GK's from other marines seeing as the dark angels have the whole knightly order thing in space as well
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2012/01/20 18:52:44
Subject: [Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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It started off as warhammer in space. Not that I care.
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2012/01/20 19:06:03
Subject: Re:[Poll]How many people think 40k is becoming Warhammer in space?
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Hyd wrote:Tadashi wrote:The Grey Knights from Codex: Daemonhunters were like Astartes, but with their new Codex, they seem less like Astartes and more like a Knightly Order or something from Warhammer Fantasy.
... The hell prompted you to think that ?
They've been called Grey Knights since their creation.
Not true! Until the 5th edition codex, they were the Grey Kinigits.
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