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The following are my thoughts on the subject. You can take it and run with it, or do what you want with it. It is the way things are as I see them.

I completely disagree that Grey Knights can't be corrupted. I say they are extremely resistant to being corrupted by Chaos, but it is still possible, and will certainly happen in time.

#1 - Half of the Primarchs were corrupted by Chaos. You can argue all you want about how\why this happened, but the Primarchs were like demigods, second only to the Emperor.
Chaos still found a way to get to them. This also includes Magnus the Red, who's psychic powers are second only to the Emperor.

#2 - Chaos is more powerful than anything the Emperor or the Grey Knights can even fathom. What they have experienced, trained for, and built equipment to combat, is only a fraction of the real power of Chaos.

It is not a matter of "If" Grey Knights will be tainted by Chaos, it is a matter of "When". My own Chaos Space Marines (currently playing Death Guard and Black Legion) have engaged and defeated several armies of
Grey Knights. After the battle is over, enemy casualties not killed are taken back into The Eye of Terror. The Knights are stripped of their equipment, and all of their secrets are extracted from them. From there, they are offered as
a sacrifice to the Chaos Gods. Sometimes, Chaos Gods have other plans for them. Like sending them back to Titan as a "messenger", to corrupt additional brothers. Because all of the Grey Knights psychic powers, wards, and equipment
have been reverse engineered by the Chaos Gods, their fellow brothers are unaware..... How much more of a blow to the Grey Knights is it, when a corrupted Paladin returns back to the training grounds on Titan?
The Chaos Gods have their eyes directly on Draigo as well. It is just a matter of time before he falls. After all, Horus and half of the Primarchs turned to Chaos. Draigo is but a child compared to them.

Only Chaos is eternal..........................

NoArmorSave wrote:The following are my thoughts on the subject. You can take it and run with it, or do what you want with it. It is the way things are as I see them.

I completely disagree that Grey Knights can't be corrupted. I say they are extremely resistant to being corrupted by Chaos, but it is still possible, and will certainly happen in time.

#1 - Half of the Primarchs were corrupted by Chaos. You can argue all you want about how\why this happened, but the Primarchs were like demigods, second only to the Emperor.
Chaos still found a way to get to them. This also includes Magnus the Red, who's psychic powers are second only to the Emperor.

#2 - Chaos is more powerful than anything the Emperor or the Grey Knights can even fathom. What they have experienced, trained for, and built equipment to combat, is only a fraction of the real power of Chaos.

It is not a matter of "If" Grey Knights will be tainted by Chaos, it is a matter of "When". My own Chaos Space Marines (currently playing Death Guard and Black Legion) have engaged and defeated several armies of
Grey Knights. After the battle is over, enemy casualties not killed are taken back into The Eye of Terror. The Knights are stripped of their equipment, and all of their secrets are extracted from them. From there, they are offered as
a sacrifice to the Chaos Gods. Sometimes, Chaos Gods have other plans for them. Like sending them back to Titan as a "messenger", to corrupt additional brothers. Because all of the Grey Knights psychic powers, wards, and equipment
have been reverse engineered by the Chaos Gods, their fellow brothers are unaware..... How much more of a blow to the Grey Knights is it, when a corrupted Paladin returns back to the training grounds on Titan?
The Chaos Gods have their eyes directly on Draigo as well. It is just a matter of time before he falls. After all, Horus and half of the Primarchs turned to Chaos. Draigo is but a child compared to them.

Only Chaos is eternal..........................

You havent read Ben Counters books have you? This topic has already been covered dozens if not hundreds of times. Alric is the closest they have come to corruption. Until a writer breaks the fluff of them not having a single member corrupted I think people can speculate all they all but the best you get for the corrupted option is Alric.

Draigo wrote:

NoArmorSave wrote:The following are my thoughts on the subject. You can take it and run with it, or do what you want with it. It is the way things are as I see them.

I completely disagree that Grey Knights can't be corrupted. I say they are extremely resistant to being corrupted by Chaos, but it is still possible, and will certainly happen in time.

#1 - Half of the Primarchs were corrupted by Chaos. You can argue all you want about how\why this happened, but the Primarchs were like demigods, second only to the Emperor.
Chaos still found a way to get to them. This also includes Magnus the Red, who's psychic powers are second only to the Emperor.

#2 - Chaos is more powerful than anything the Emperor or the Grey Knights can even fathom. What they have experienced, trained for, and built equipment to combat, is only a fraction of the real power of Chaos.

It is not a matter of "If" Grey Knights will be tainted by Chaos, it is a matter of "When". My own Chaos Space Marines (currently playing Death Guard and Black Legion) have engaged and defeated several armies of
Grey Knights. After the battle is over, enemy casualties not killed are taken back into The Eye of Terror. The Knights are stripped of their equipment, and all of their secrets are extracted from them. From there, they are offered as
a sacrifice to the Chaos Gods. Sometimes, Chaos Gods have other plans for them. Like sending them back to Titan as a "messenger", to corrupt additional brothers. Because all of the Grey Knights psychic powers, wards, and equipment
have been reverse engineered by the Chaos Gods, their fellow brothers are unaware..... How much more of a blow to the Grey Knights is it, when a corrupted Paladin returns back to the training grounds on Titan?
The Chaos Gods have their eyes directly on Draigo as well. It is just a matter of time before he falls. After all, Horus and half of the Primarchs turned to Chaos. Draigo is but a child compared to them.

Only Chaos is eternal..........................

You havent read Ben Counters books have you? This topic has already been covered dozens if not hundreds of times. Alric is the closest they have come to corruption. Until a writer breaks the fluff of them not having a single member corrupted I think people can speculate all they all but the best you get for the corrupted option is Alric.

" Alric is the closest they have come to corruption. "

The closest they have come Yet. It is only a matter of time.

Additionally, if you want to use my idea in the fluff for your games, you could play your games as happening several hundred years after the situation with Alric. Things have gotten progressively worse since then.

I agree, its not a question of if, but when. The process may have already begun. Example Blood tide. Immune to chaos but need the sisters blood. Instead of taking a pint or two, they slaughter and "anoint" their armor the blood. A suspecious mind may ponder, act of Khorne worship or truely a preventive act.

And Draigos dead. The whole living in the warp is propaganda.

Grey Knights can be physically corrupted, but are uncorruptible in spirit. Their souls remain forever in service to the God Emperor of Mankind.

Or atleast thats my interpretation of the lore.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:I agree, its not a question of if, but when. The process may have already begun. Example Blood tide. Immune to chaos but need the sisters blood. Instead of taking a pint or two, they slaughter and "anoint" their armor the blood. A suspecious mind may ponder, act of Khorne worship or truely a preventive act.

And Draigos dead. The whole living in the warp is propaganda.

"And Draigos dead. The whole living in the warp is propaganda."

I really, really like that idea dude. It is beautiful.

Draigo was killed, and a particularly powerful Keeper of Secrets took his form......


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Zalmout wrote:Grey Knights can be physically corrupted, but are uncorruptible in spirit. Their souls remain forever in service to the God Emperor of Mankind.

Or atleast thats my interpretation of the lore.

" but are uncorruptible in spirit. Their souls remain forever in service to the God Emperor of Mankind."

I would call this wishful thinking on the part of the Grey Knights. It is propaganda fed to the new recruits during their training to bolster morale.

Horus fell, they are fools to think they cannot.

Heres my .02. Saying the its impossible for a Grey Knight to give in to the temptation of chaos is a false statement, as is saying Grey Knights are not tempted by chaos. What is NOT a false statement, is to say that it is HIGHLY improbable that a Grey Knight will give in to those temptations.

For example, you like cheeseburgers. LOVE em infact. And the big burger corp is tempting you HARD. TV, internet, music, their advertisements are everywhere tempting you to give in to your craving and go get a big greasy, cheesy burger.

Now say, in your desire to lose weight you take drastic measures and go to a hypno-therepist (assuming they work for the sake of argument) And he psychologically conditions you to detest the sight, smell, and taste of burgers. He even teaches you techniques to prevent the cravings from coming back, or, reversal of his conditioning.

So next time you are walking buy one of those burger joints, the smell whafts out and caresses your nose ever so sweetly, and for a moment the conditioning slips, now the techniques kick in and you bite your lip and hop on one foot and POOF craving is gone and you walk on your happy, yet hungry for rabit food, way.

Are you therefore immune to cravings? No. Are you tantilized by what culinary delights are to be found in the hallowed hall of glut? No. Are you capable of walking into the burger joint and endulging? Yes. But with the conditioning in place and the education programed in to prevent that conditioning from failing will you choose to do so? With 99% certainty, No!

Its the same thing with Grey Knights and the SoB paint brushes they used. Only the innocent blood here was a substitute for the biting of the lip and the hopping about on one foot. (also substitute Chaos temptation for delicious cheese burger temptation)
End of my .02

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:I agree, its not a question of if, but when. The process may have already begun. Example Blood tide. Immune to chaos but need the sisters blood. Instead of taking a pint or two, they slaughter and "anoint" their armor the blood. A suspecious mind may ponder, act of Khorne worship or truely a preventive act.

And Draigos dead. The whole living in the warp is propaganda.

You know even if they did get corrupted, no one is going to call them on it. Slaughtering a coven of sisters and washing your armor in it would brand anyone else as a knorne worshiping cultist, but sense they are GKs, and GKs can't be corrupted, just stick your fingers in your ears and lalala. If no one declares them chaos, can they really be chaos.

The emperor's first gift to the Grey Knights was the training in a secret technique now called the Aegis, an array of formidable battle sorceries. A Grey Knights mere presence is a anathema to creatures of the warp. Unpalatable to the most powerful of chaos thus ENTIRELY immune from corruption. His second gift, were the names of power given to each of the Grey Knight brothers. No matter how powerful a demon of chaos may be, he is still in thrall to true names. Each Grey Knight loosed himself when trained, the new being he becomes only remembers himself as the named being he now is. Each name of power is in opposition to the true names of powerful demon lords, so therefore, even the mightiest to the lowest of demons are affected. Think a Grey Knight can be corrupted by chaos? Think again, Warp Spawn. Now go back to the shadow, where you belong.

If Big E was so worried about chaos its a good thing he taught this to his Primachs. I mean it would suck if half turned to Chaos, raided his Place and killed him. Luckly he taught them this aegis thing.

Didn't teach them. It wasn't until after the fall that he realized what he needed to do. That's when he formed the grey knights. After, not before. Sorry to have to inform you of that. But just because SOME of the primarchs fell, doesn't mean measures couldn't be taken against a now known enemy. Chaos failed in that instant. Because it didn't whipe out the imperium, now the element if surprise was over...epic fail.

Devil Dog wrote:The emperor's first gift to the Grey Knights was the training in a secret technique now called the Aegis, an array of formidable battle sorceries. A Grey Knights mere presence is a anathema to creatures of the warp. Unpalatable to the most powerful of chaos thus ENTIRELY immune from corruption. His second gift, were the names of power given to each of the Grey Knight brothers. No matter how powerful a demon of chaos may be, he is still in thrall to true names. Each Grey Knight loosed himself when trained, the new being he becomes only remembers himself as the named being he now is. Each name of power is in opposition to the true names of powerful demon lords, so therefore, even the mightiest to the lowest of demons are affected. Think a Grey Knight can be corrupted by chaos? Think again, Warp Spawn. Now go back to the shadow, where you belong.

Little did the Emperor know, that this secret technique known as "The Aegis" was actually an instrument of Chaos presented to the Emperor by the will of the Chaos Gods. It was all part of the unfathomable plans of the Chaos Gods to bring the entire Galaxy into corruption.
The Emperor thought he was creating an elite order of "Grey Knights" that could help battle the powers of Chaos, but he was actually spreading corruption into it's very ranks. The Grey Knights are slowly being moved into postion as mere
pawns by the Chaos Gods. Some of the Greater Daemon's that the Grey Knights have felled, have really only deceived the order. They deceive the Grey Knights and their Grandmasters to believe that they command them with their true names, but it is all part of a dark deception.

Very soon, the Chaos Gods will begin releasing horrors from the Warp never seen or fathomed by the Emperor or his Grey Knights. There are Daemon Lords so powerful and ancient, that once they emerge from the Warp, there can be no victory. Daemon Lords that can crack a planet in half in their fury, or destroy an entire company of Space Marines with a single use of their arcane power. Very soon, they will realize that they are truly powerless against the Chaos Gods, and have only been used as pawns in greater plans that are incomprehensible to such lowly minds.

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Zalmout wrote:Grey Knights can be physically corrupted, but are uncorruptible in spirit. Their souls remain forever in service to the God Emperor of Mankind.

Or atleast thats my interpretation of the lore.

" but are uncorruptible in spirit. Their souls remain forever in service to the God Emperor of Mankind."

I would call this wishful thinking on the part of the Grey Knights. It is propaganda fed to the new recruits during their training to bolster morale.

Horus fell, they are fools to think they cannot.

Alright noarmorsave your taking it too far for my tastes. Im jumping ship. Cya

Ha, whoever writes the GK book with a corrupted GK in it is going to get more flak than Ward ever did....

Well 10 thousand years and counting. None have fallen yet. You'd think at least two would have by now. We shall see.


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Ah come on guys...all in fun. Chaos players should think chaos is going to rule all. And heck, they probably will, if the nids don't eat everything first. Or the necs don't kill everyone.

I think Grey Knights are incorruptable because they're just as psychotic and insane as Chaos, but in a different way. However, they are still very killable and the Imperium is still dying, so in the end it don't really matter.

I just have to say one word to argue against this thread... Crowe

Then I only have 4 words to say? Not a independent character.

Devil Dog wrote:Then I only have 4 words to say? Not a independent character.

Boom baby

Ben Counter wrote a magnificant book.
Alaric got so close to it. That he didn't give up. But he said feth that. Most die before they can be even close to corruption. Or plot armor works too.

NoArmorSave wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:The emperor's first gift to the Grey Knights was the training in a secret technique now called the Aegis, an array of formidable battle sorceries. A Grey Knights mere presence is a anathema to creatures of the warp. Unpalatable to the most powerful of chaos thus ENTIRELY immune from corruption. His second gift, were the names of power given to each of the Grey Knight brothers. No matter how powerful a demon of chaos may be, he is still in thrall to true names. Each Grey Knight loosed himself when trained, the new being he becomes only remembers himself as the named being he now is. Each name of power is in opposition to the true names of powerful demon lords, so therefore, even the mightiest to the lowest of demons are affected. Think a Grey Knight can be corrupted by chaos? Think again, Warp Spawn. Now go back to the shadow, where you belong.

Little did the Emperor know, that this secret technique known as "The Aegis" was actually an instrument of Chaos presented to the Emperor by the will of the Chaos Gods. It was all part of the unfathomable plans of the Chaos Gods to bring the entire Galaxy into corruption.
The Emperor thought he was creating an elite order of "Grey Knights" that could help battle the powers of Chaos, but he was actually spreading corruption into it's very ranks. The Grey Knights are slowly being moved into postion as mere
pawns by the Chaos Gods. Some of the Greater Daemon's that the Grey Knights have felled, have really only deceived the order. They deceive the Grey Knights and their Grandmasters to believe that they command them with their true names, but it is all part of a dark deception.

Very soon, the Chaos Gods will begin releasing horrors from the Warp never seen or fathomed by the Emperor or his Grey Knights. There are Daemon Lords so powerful and ancient, that once they emerge from the Warp, there can be no victory. Daemon Lords that can crack a planet in half in their fury, or destroy an entire company of Space Marines with a single use of their arcane power. Very soon, they will realize that they are truly powerless against the Chaos Gods, and have only been used as pawns in greater plans that are incomprehensible to such lowly minds.

Rationalizations - Chaos is clearly supreme to the Imperium, but I still don't think the Grey Knights can be corrupted by Chaos. They are really the final stand of mankind, but eventually they will all die.

Thakabalpuphorsefishguy: Comparing Chaos to cheese burgers; inspired!

I think it gets a bit wobbly with the sorcery, using daemonic weapons and Bloodtide thing though, since these are all things that empower the sweet burger with cheese... it's like what they did to the Sisters was turn them into delicious cheese burgers, and eat them... which somehow saved them from succumbing to the dread act of eating cheese burgers.... Inferior brand of burger (they were only the SoB after all) maybe, so it doesn't count?

Maybe it's like when I tried to stop smoking; all fun and games until I went on the ale (which is when you really want a cig), but rather than have a cig I bought a cigar (which did the job and stopped me from the fatal act of buying a pack of cigs... though the smokes seduced me back eventually...).

So the Sisters of Battle were a greasy kebab that (temporarily) saved the noble GKs from succumbing to the ruinous cheese burger temptation?

Of course they can be. They come right out and say every GK worries about being the first to be corrupted.

It just hasn't happened yet. Apparently it's quite difficult and unlikely.

I think Grey Knights are incorruptable because they're just as psychotic and insane as Chaos, but in a different way. However, they are still very killable and the Imperium is still dying, so in the end it don't really matter.

I agree with this. It seems to me that the Grey Knights do infact already worship a god in the warp... The Emperor.

The immaterium was around before the gods. It's as if the warp has both light and dark sides. Much like the force.

Librarians use the warp and risk giving in to the dark si.... Chaos.

A Sister of Battle becomes "posessed" by the power of the Chao...Emperor!

I am just going to say: Grey Knights will all die before they get corrupted by Chaos ( Chaos may be eternal but Human flesh is not ).

And go away from here before storm hits...

NoArmorSave wrote:The following are my thoughts on the subject. You can take it and run with it, or do what you want with it. It is the way things are as I see them.

I completely disagree that Grey Knights can't be corrupted. I say they are extremely resistant to being corrupted by Chaos, but it is still possible, and will certainly happen in time.

#1 - Half of the Primarchs were corrupted by Chaos. You can argue all you want about how\why this happened, but the Primarchs were like demigods, second only to the Emperor.
Chaos still found a way to get to them. This also includes Magnus the Red, who's psychic powers are second only to the Emperor.

#2 - Chaos is more powerful than anything the Emperor or the Grey Knights can even fathom. What they have experienced, trained for, and built equipment to combat, is only a fraction of the real power of Chaos.

It is not a matter of "If" Grey Knights will be tainted by Chaos, it is a matter of "When". My own Chaos Space Marines (currently playing Death Guard and Black Legion) have engaged and defeated several armies of
Grey Knights. After the battle is over, enemy casualties not killed are taken back into The Eye of Terror. The Knights are stripped of their equipment, and all of their secrets are extracted from them. From there, they are offered as
a sacrifice to the Chaos Gods. Sometimes, Chaos Gods have other plans for them. Like sending them back to Titan as a "messenger", to corrupt additional brothers. Because all of the Grey Knights psychic powers, wards, and equipment
have been reverse engineered by the Chaos Gods, their fellow brothers are unaware..... How much more of a blow to the Grey Knights is it, when a corrupted Paladin returns back to the training grounds on Titan?
The Chaos Gods have their eyes directly on Draigo as well. It is just a matter of time before he falls. After all, Horus and half of the Primarchs turned to Chaos. Draigo is but a child compared to them.

Only Chaos is eternal..........................

Oh look a chaos fan!
May we play nicely so we don't scare him/her away?

I mean, evidence like games you won...how shall we beat that?

Lets see....won a few DoW games without losing a single vanilla marine ...does it make them invincible? If so, how can chaos even consider to oppose them?

Remember: chaos isn't eternal ( since codex chaos demons includes a hint on its possible end ) and always wins the second prize.
Yes, the 2nd, not the first. So go forth, return to your hideout and be that scheming villain!
Last time we heard of chaos, these IW legionaires got eaten by nids....the bugs the loyalists usually stop dead cold and kick out.
Is chaos important at all anymore?

NoArmourSave, you are just spouting fan-fiction here. Your first post proves the basis of your argument is in the fluff you wrote for your armies.

And the Aegis isn't a tool of Chaos. The GK have an incorruptible soul, but their mortal bodies can be corrupted.

This argument has been done to death. What with all the cross-universe threads popping up, I think the cycle of Dakka is once again restarting... Only a matter of time until we have Angry Marine threads.

NoArmorSave wrote: How much more of a blow to the Grey Knights is it, when a corrupted Paladin returns back to the training grounds on Titan?

Fairly sure any GK would die before he gave in to Chaos. Paladins are only slightly less awesome than Captains, so breaking them would be neigh impossible.

NoArmouSave wrote:
The Chaos Gods have their eyes directly on Draigo as well. It is just a matter of time before he falls. After all, Horus and half of the Primarchs turned to Chaos. Draigo is but a child compared to them.

Mortarion would like a word with you.

NoArmourSave wrote:
Only Chaos is eternal

As a wise Dakkanaught once said, "I'm trolling your Chaos Grey Knight Thread."

NoArmorSave wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:The emperor's first gift to the Grey Knights was the training in a secret technique now called the Aegis, an array of formidable battle sorceries. A Grey Knights mere presence is a anathema to creatures of the warp. Unpalatable to the most powerful of chaos thus ENTIRELY immune from corruption. His second gift, were the names of power given to each of the Grey Knight brothers. No matter how powerful a demon of chaos may be, he is still in thrall to true names. Each Grey Knight loosed himself when trained, the new being he becomes only remembers himself as the named being he now is. Each name of power is in opposition to the true names of powerful demon lords, so therefore, even the mightiest to the lowest of demons are affected. Think a Grey Knight can be corrupted by chaos? Think again, Warp Spawn. Now go back to the shadow, where you belong.

Little did the Emperor know, that this secret technique known as "The Aegis" was actually an instrument of Chaos presented to the Emperor by the will of the Chaos Gods. It was all part of the unfathomable plans of the Chaos Gods to bring the entire Galaxy into corruption.
The Emperor thought he was creating an elite order of "Grey Knights" that could help battle the powers of Chaos, but he was actually spreading corruption into it's very ranks. The Grey Knights are slowly being moved into postion as mere
pawns by the Chaos Gods. Some of the Greater Daemon's that the Grey Knights have felled, have really only deceived the order. They deceive the Grey Knights and their Grandmasters to believe that they command them with their true names, but it is all part of a dark deception.

Very soon, the Chaos Gods will begin releasing horrors from the Warp never seen or fathomed by the Emperor or his Grey Knights. There are Daemon Lords so powerful and ancient, that once they emerge from the Warp, there can be no victory. Daemon Lords that can crack a planet in half in their fury, or destroy an entire company of Space Marines with a single use of their arcane power. Very soon, they will realize that they are truly powerless against the Chaos Gods, and have only been used as pawns in greater plans that are incomprehensible to such lowly minds.

So, you support the Tau, right?

Supply this thread with more evidence than mere opinion and fan-fiction and people we take you seriously.