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NoArmorSave...

DeadlySquirrel wrote:NoArmorSave...

There's no need to be derogatory.

Iranna.

As they say if the shoe fits...

Tzneetch though very cunning and clever is insane, hence it's final goals never come to fruitition. To a degree the same can be said for Khorne and probably even more so.

The grey knights ARE more resistant to chaos than even the primarchs because they trained just to resist and fight chaos, whilst the primarchs all developed in their own way, maybe even already corrupted by chaos before the emperor met them.

-666- wrote:As they say if the shoe fits...

Tzneetch though very cunning and clever is insane, hence it's final goals never come to fruitition. To a degree the same can be said for Khorne and probably even more so.

Tzeentch is not "insane" (although one can argue that with the very nature of chaos, sanity and insanity are the same thing) the reason why his plans never reach fruition is because he is the God of plotting. If his final plot came to pass and he was in control of everything, he'd never need to plan and so, there'd be no need for him.

Iranna.

Iranna wrote:

NoArmourSave wrote:You are not adding any value to this thread by running in here and making 2 liner statements.


My take on the fluff\how I am going to play things in my games:

Grey Knights souls are utterly incorruptible FOR THE TIME BEING, until the Chaos Gods find
a way to do it, and reveal the method to their followers. It is just a matter of time until the code
is cracked.

Actually, I'm attempting to correct your misconception that Grey Knight's souls can actually be corrupted, which - they can't.

You can play your games however you want, if you really want, you can play as if Horus really did topple the Imperium and now the whole of GW's writing is invalid - it really has no bearing on what is ACTUALLY fact. i.e, Grey Knight souls are incorruptible.

All you are achieving with this thread is inviting people to prove you wrong and then trying to rebut them with "This is what I think and you won't change it" argument. You have no proof that Grey Knight souls can be corrupted and Codex Grey Knights implicitly states: "...an army of unfaltering and incorruptible warriors born of forgotten science. They are the Grey Knights"

Iranna.

Your error is treating everything in the Grey Knight Codex as 100% litteral. Many army codexes’ state that the army is "unstoppable" or some other type of exaggeration that needs to be taken in context.
You haven't proven anything with your initial 2 liner, and then this diarrhea of the mouth. If you want to be a total fanboy and just stick with 100% Black Libary writing, Alric already got corrupted like Draigo talked
about above. They had to use the collar of Khorne to do it, but given enough time, I believe his spirit would have turned to Chaos as well. I am sure that the Chaos Gods will reveal a much more effective way to corrupt
Grey Knights in the near future.

All you have proven is that you are a Grey Knight and Matt Ward fanboy, that can't apply any deductive reasoning when looking at the holistic picture.



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DeadlySquirrel wrote:NoArmorSave...

DeadlySquirrel:

I hate the GK more than anyone... But it clearly states they are uncorruptable.

Last post here, this troll has been fed enough by me.

This is him. The cancer within the 40K system.

I call troll.

In the end, it's always best to go with your own interpretation.

It seems like it's setup to where GKs are certainly the 'purest' fighting force in the Imperium(*waits for Sister trolls*) and are extremely resistant to corruption.

That said, realism(something painfully absent in much of the 40k canon and fan speculation) would dictate that any individual is vulnerable to Chaotic corruption.

Personally, I like the 'blood of the Emperor' fluff, so I'd rather 'believe' the GKs to be pure, incorruptible heroes, but that's just my interpretation.

I'm confused over the "matter of time".

That's just too simple a reasoning.

The warriors of choas will see that they have been mislead and will rejoin the Imperium "it isonly a matter of time".

The Tau will conquer the galaxy "it is only a matter of time".

The Emperor will rise from the golden throne and drink a cold 6-pack "it is only a matter of time"!

This is just a MASSIVE fanwank of a thread.

Yes, they can be, or they wouldn't bother with wards, and Alaric came amazingly close to corruption.

No, chaos isn't more powerful than the Emperor thinks. If the HH had failed, chaos would have been destroyed. But it didn't fail, the emperor died and earth was walked on by daemonkind.


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DeffDred wrote:I'm confused over the "matter of time".

That's just too simple a reasoning.

The warriors of choas will see that they have been mislead and will rejoin the Imperium "it isonly a matter of time".

The Tau will conquer the galaxy "it is only a matter of time".

The Emperor will rise from the golden throne and drink a cold 6-pack "it is only a matter of time"!

The sad thing is people actually believe the last one. They think leman russ will succeed and heal the emperor, or that star child is gonna happen etc.




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Ronin-Sage wrote:In the end, it's always best to go with your own interpretation.

It seems like it's setup to where GKs are certainly the 'purest' fighting force in the Imperium(*waits for Sister trolls*) and are extremely resistant to corruption.

That said, realism(something painfully absent in much of the 40k canon and fan speculation) would dictate that any individual is vulnerable to Chaotic corruption.

Personally, I like the 'blood of the Emperor' fluff, so I'd rather 'believe' the GKs to be pure, incorruptible heroes, but that's just my interpretation.

The sad thing is that the tau, being near soulless, are probably harder to corrupt than GK.

They probably would go insane faster than GK tho.


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yevix wrote:The grey knights ARE more resistant to chaos than even the primarchs because they trained just to resist and fight chaos, whilst the primarchs all developed in their own way, maybe even already corrupted by chaos before the emperor met them.

Hmm...no. All the primarchs went to chaos willingly, except Fulgrim he's a dumbass.

They were never forced.

Also, Primarchs are closer to the emperor genetically than GKs.

Also, the primarchs' willpower alone is enough to overcome greater daemons, and they could physically overpower avatars. Grey knights beat daemons through special training and through knowledge specific to each daemon (true name etc.) and they wouldn't be nearly as powerful if they didn't already have this.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:Supply this thread with more evidence than mere opinion and fan-fiction and people we take you seriously.

This. 1,000 times this.

Seriously, I don't like it or think it's very interesting, but, until something says otherwise, Grey Knights are immune, as far as current fiction is concerned.

You can make up counters to this, but that's the thing: they're made up. It's fine as fan fiction, but it doesn't make it an argument.

For instance: "2+2=5".

So, when my space marine squads get together in my fluff, if you get two pairs of space marines together, up pops a fifth space marine with a meltagun!

QED, 2+2=5.

spiralingcadaver wrote:

DeadlySquirrel wrote:Supply this thread with more evidence than mere opinion and fan-fiction and people we take you seriously.

This. 1,000 times this.

Seriously, I don't like it or think it's very interesting, but, until something says otherwise, Grey Knights are immune, as far as current fiction is concerned.

You can make up counters to this, but that's the thing: they're made up. It's fine as fan fiction, but it doesn't make it an argument.

For instance: "2+2=5".

So, when my space marine squads get together in my fluff, if you get two pairs of space marines together, up pops a fifth space marine with a meltagun!

QED, 2+2=5.

*flamer, not melta.

So, I've been putting away a little bit of money every time "Chaos Grey Knights" rears it's ugly head again. I'm actually saving to start a new IG army. The theme is Daemonettes who lust for the Emperor, and as such, have decided to take up lasguns in the holy fight against Chaos, because, frankly, that makes about as much sense as what the OP suggests. Also, it occurs in my fluff, so it must be doubleplus true.

daedalus wrote:So, I've been putting away a little bit of money every time "Chaos Grey Knights" rears it's ugly head again. I'm actually saving to start a new IG army. The theme is Daemonettes who lust for the Emperor, and as such, have decided to take up lasguns in the holy fight against Chaos, because, frankly, that makes about as much sense as what the OP suggests. Also, it occurs in my fluff, so it must be doubleplus true.

...okay your daemonette example may be SLIGHTLY more out there than the idea of Chaos Knights, but I agree, the way the OP did it is ridiculous. I think 4chan's policy about OP applies here.

The Primarchs aren't really a good example. They were all extremely arrogant and proud, even the "Good Sons" like Guilliman and Sanguinius. They were sheltered from Chaos instead of heavily indoctrinated against them. The Primarchs were almost screaming to be corrupted. If the concept of the Horus Heresy didn't predate the more modern iterations of Primarchs and Space Marines, you'd almost wonder why the Emperor didn't see it coming.

See, this is one of the problems I have with 40k fluff.

The Emperor is set up as this super awesome, megasweet demi-god that almost single-handedly shaped the course of human history to help expand humanity's power to the edges of the galaxy. And the guy couldn't see that half of his 'sons' were having major daddy issues?

And none of that 'he was flawed' codswallop. We're talking about the guy who was basically immortal, managed to slap down a C'tan, and united humanity after the events of 'Old Night'.

infinite_array wrote:See, this is one of the problems I have with 40k fluff.

The Emperor is set up as this super awesome, megasweet demi-god that almost single-handedly shaped the course of human history to help expand humanity's power to the edges of the galaxy. And the guy couldn't see that half of his 'sons' were having major daddy issues?

And none of that 'he was flawed' codswallop. We're talking about the guy who was basically immortal, managed to slap down a C'tan, and united humanity after the events of 'Old Night'.

Well I think he thought to finish the Golden Throne before reconciling his differences with his sons. Making humans less dependent on warp travel would be enormous, and also the astronomican wouldn't limit the Emperor by draining his power.

In fact, what magnus did to the throne might actually be worse than what Horus did, in terms of it's impact.

And he decided not to indoctrinate them because he thought to starve the Chaos gods of worship and even of the acknowledgement of their existence. The galactic equivalent of a boycott.

But it backfired.

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