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In short: Lootas.

I have been building and painting a Ork army since 2009 and am still not finished. The problem is if I want to win I need more Lootas. However, they are $35 a box, and come with burnas and a mek, which I don't want, so I only get 4. I have to paint the same 4 guys 5 times and buy 5 boxes of stuff that I don't want just so I can have a competitive army. Sorry, but the genius at GW that thought this is a good idea to sell more models just lost a customer.

I just started playing Warmachine and I have a 15 point army already built and painted that I can play with! I put a lot of effort into my painting, sometimes more than 10 hours per model. Warmachine doesn't offer the creative scratch-building and kustomization that 40k does, but the gameplay is more tactical and fun.

But Lootas aren't needed to win?

Well, if you feel that way, why complain about it? Post your Orks in the Swap Shop and move on.

Nurglizer wrote:The problem is if I want to win I need more Lootas.

The problem is you're not only listening to people on the internet, you're listening to the wrong people on the internet.

Play Warmachine - but there's no reason to quit 40k. You obviously enjoy it or you wouldn't have spent money on it for the last 3 years. Give it a break, play some Warmachine, and if you feel the 40k itch, your Orks are still there.

Contrary to popular internet myth, you are allowed to play more than one game.

erm..... lootas are not mandatory.....

also, cou can use converted lootas:

Yes it must be really hard to make your own ork models with outlandish gunz in a universe of OTT weaponry!

Seriously OP get converting, it's one if the basic pillars of this hobby and always has been. Orks are an army whis aesthetic practically demands conversions. Converted minis have more character and look cooler than a twenty strong unit of the same mini. You seem to suggest you possess the skills and complain that WM doesn't offer the same converting opportunities?

You need to manify (orkify?) the situation and quit moaning. Get the tools out and get sprue basing!

Seriously, that's half the fun of an army like Orks, you can gt away with almost anything, especially with lootas.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Well, if you feel that way, why complain about it? Post your Orks in the Swap Shop and move on.

Jeez, why do you have to be a jerk? I've put in many hours of my life painting and playing and talking about 40k. I put this on here because YOU people on the forum are the only ones that actually care, and might give me some reasons not to sell my Orks.

You, my friend, are what I like to a terrible army builder. WHY LOOTERS?!?!?!?!
THEYRE TERRIBLE! Soooooo not worth the points, i'd take 3 boyz over a loota any day!! shoota boys?6 shots? THATS MUCH BETTER THAN LOOTAS!!!

of course, i'm also going to go back to advocating my own well-worn favourite once again:
NOB BIKERS!

Just looking at your gallery you do seem to Possess some affinity with painting orks so would suggest that a few buys on eBay and a bit of time coveting and paint will leave you with a pretty descent force.

Whether you sell your army is really entirely down to you. People on the Internet aren't really in the picture. Decide what you want and do it. Will you regret selling them when they are gone?

Well, its not JUST Lootas. It seems that no matter what you play, you have to get many of the same guys to make a unit playable. Maybe its just my local gaming group, but they play 2-3,000 point games. I don't have enough guys to actually play a game, and if I don't want Lootas any more, I must buy a bunch of boxes of something else to fill that vacancy. I also have 750 points of Chaos. I guess this is the problem I am asking everyone-- how can you get a playable army without becoming bored to death painting the same guys over and over? What do you do with all of the extra bits?

If your games group is fielding above your points capability, there's your problem. Ask one of them to play a 1000 point game. There are rare times when a single unit is the lynchpin to an army. Lack of lootas is not going to make up for hundreds of points in deficit...

Nurglizer wrote:In short: Lootas.

I have been building and painting a Ork army since 2009 and am still not finished. The problem is if I want to win I need more Lootas. However, they are $35 a box, and come with burnas and a mek, which I don't want, so I only get 4. I have to paint the same 4 guys 5 times and buy 5 boxes of stuff that I don't want just so I can have a competitive army. Sorry, but the genius at GW that thought this is a good idea to sell more models just lost a customer.

I just started playing Warmachine and I have a 15 point army already built and painted that I can play with! I put a lot of effort into my painting, sometimes more than 10 hours per model. Warmachine doesn't offer the creative scratch-building and kustomization that 40k does, but the gameplay is more tactical and fun.

Ok.

Orks are a horde army, You paint them by the assembly line method. Loota's are not the issue here for you, looks to me more like a lack of imagination on how you can go with this.
One way is to play Gorkamorka. You paint up a few squads, then add to thier mobs, then add in a couple more squads till you have a couple of units.
I paint my units by the standard of "Get one squad, then see how they do in a skermish, then add in a couple more boxes. 30+1, sometimes less, sometimes more. Then add in something like some trucks, then a extra nob, then add in some heavy weapons.

Good on ya on Warmahordes, they have some good stuff going on. I picked up a few armies of that stuff, too.

Like the pirates, and the Trollkin., started playing back with the five boxed deals with Cryx, then added in a box of the Cygnar. Then as an added need, got those crazy ruskies.

Picked up my armies on the cheap, stripped swaps, and trades. ( I had to pull back on my last purchase, based on threat of butt kickings from the spousal unit.)

Back to your Loota issue-

Get yourself some extra heavy weapons from your buddys in your LGS, and scrap together some of your own weapons. Bout ten or twenty guys is all you need, then add in a couple of rocket launchers...

If you need inspiration, just take ten or twenty guys and think about how they would cobble together some gear. (I do the same thing with Grots for the artillery stuff, so it isn't all that hard.

As to the burna boyz, I like them. Not alot, but they are a good option in interchanging in units such as when fighting nids, or IG.

Nothing says I love you like starting people on fire.

-Loki- wrote:

Contrary to popular internet myth, you are allowed to play more than one game.

This definitely. Even if you are bored with a game, I would never advise selling everything for it. Even painted to a high standard you will only get a fraction of the money back, and no recompense for the effort. 'A change is as good as a rest' they say, put your orks away carefully, go and play something else and you may well find yourself coming back to them in the future.

orks+large amounts of guns=lootas. I've ,made about 10 lootas from one normal box before, its not hard

and if your gaming club runs 2000pts+ games ask if they want to play a lower points game

also why do you not want burna boys? stick ten in a trukk and you get 10X the amount of shots on whatever is under the template. its very rare I leave home without them (when I'm using orks that is)

Nurglizer, from the sound of it 40K just isn't doing it for you in your circumstances.

Lootas. I rarely play lootas, and if I do it's a unit of 8. I have to field more I'll proxy in Big Shootas, because I have lots of Big Shoota models and I never use them. Or buy AoBR boys and custom build some Lootas.

Orks. Orks are a horde army. Yes they need lots of everything, that's how they play.

3000 points. That's a big game, especially if you are playing a horde army. You may like the Orks but if you cannot afford that you need to look at what you can afford.

And I still don't get the whole playing one game instead of another. While I don't play Warmachine I do play lots of games; 40K, Star Wars minis, Heroclix, Board Games, RPGs. There is no either/or. Just, what do we play this week?

Cost. You have to choose a hobby you can afford. I love off-road driving, but I seriously cannot afford to do it any more when you add in the cost of petrol to the shows & any potential damage to my car. Warmachine is only cheaper than 40K because it's generally played as a skirmish game requiring less models.

But above all else you have to play something that you enjoy.

I guess it's a pretty competitive environment at your LGS?

Most competitive players will min/max their armies; if you are part of this scene you will find your self painting the same thing over and over again

That said, I really don't see a problem doing this with Orks! They are one of the most fun and easy armies to convert in the entire range.

Agree with the other posters though; just play what you enjoy!

A few possible scenarios depending on what your real motivaitons are:

If your concern is more boredom than price then the only solution to that I see is doing more conversions to vary the figs that you are painting. There's a long history of ork players indulging in many and varied conversions. I painted a 100 model IG army with alot of persistence line painting and a few conversions, but it was still a chore at times.

If you don't like converting and feel that the cost and experience of playing a horde army is too much, then it may be time to either restructure (some folks have mentioned not using lootas so much) your army, or sell it and move on.

If price is the real issue, and converting doesn't bring the cost down enough, then maybe selling your Chaos will get you the $ you need.

Good luck.

Nurglizer wrote:Well, its not JUST Lootas. It seems that no matter what you play, you have to get many of the same guys to make a unit playable.

Yes, this is the GW model.

If unit A is good, then 3 units of A is better. So you should buy 3 units of A (at $70 per unit). Unit B isn't as expensive as Unit A, but it's terrible in game.

Don't worry, next time they update your codex, Unit B will be awesome and get updated models and sell for $100/unit. Unit A will suck and you'll shelve all of those models. By the time Unit A gets updated models, most players will want the new ones, so they'll buy more (at $120/unit).

Wow, a lot of replies to this, thanks! You guys have talked me down off the ledge, and I think that I'll play Warmachine now, but not get rid of the Orks. If I keep my eyes open for bits, I'm sure I can find stuff to convert enough Lootas. Maybe I just wont be able to field my Orksies for another three years, LOL. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, and I need to post more pics, I kinda need Lootas kuz I repainted all my Orks Death Skulls.

You can cut off burna bitz and attach imperial weapons and turn those burna arms into loota arms. You can also attach loota arms to AoBR boyz.

Besides, lootas are not needed, but the game is harly playable at 3000 points. Your gaming group is ruining the game, not evil GW.

Ebay and the bitz stores really are useful. You can get just the options you want without buying whole kits. if GW provided every box to have infinite arms for every option people would complain why the kits cost to much because every 3 sprue box would become a 5 sprue box.

Also, Burnas are awesome.
I don't leave home without them.
Usually big units in a transport of some kind.
Getting 100+ hits on a unit is fun

I would just like to add, if the painting so many orcs in similar colours is really getting you down, maybe swap your orcs for another army, afterall they are a Horde army and require many more models that most armies out there.

Well, I've just looked at your gallery and realized that I already commented on your Orks a while ago! They look very good DONT sell them!
As I said, jut go to your local club and loot your friends' bitz boxes, throw the gunz on some boys (even aobr works) and there you go!

Nurglizer wrote:In short: Lootas.

I have been building and painting a Ork army since 2009 and am still not finished. The problem is if I want to win I need more Lootas. However, they are $35 a box, and come with burnas and a mek, which I don't want, so I only get 4. I have to paint the same 4 guys 5 times and buy 5 boxes of stuff that I don't want just so I can have a competitive army. Sorry, but the genius at GW that thought this is a good idea to sell more models just lost a customer.

I just started playing Warmachine and I have a 15 point army already built and painted that I can play with! I put a lot of effort into my painting, sometimes more than 10 hours per model. Warmachine doesn't offer the creative scratch-building and kustomization that 40k does, but the gameplay is more tactical and fun.

Personally, I really dislike Warmachine. I've always likened it to 40K in the way I compare 4th Ed DND to 2nd or 3rd Ed DND. But that's neither here nor there, I just feel like you're going to miss out on a great system by ditching it.

Solutions? Convert. You're playing orks; if you're not converting, you're passing on one of the most enjoyable aspects of the army. It took me 8 months of buying bits on ebay to convert everything in my 2000pt army just the way I wanted, and I haven't painted even half. Even in a box of burnaz/lootas you get that extra mek body. Just convert even that, and you have a fifth unique loota for every box of five. Get on ebay and buy handlebar arms and dakka gun bits from the warbiker sets. Properly adjusted, you have giant custom shootas right there.

Another suggestion: Stop listening to the people in the army lists threads. They give you the same two or three cookie cutter lists no matter what you post, which is why I usually stay out of there now. Build a list based on what you play against on a regular basis. I play an army based around Snikrot with Ghaz and kommandos, Doc Grotsnik with meganobs, and a few battlewagons and shootaboyz. Sometimes I smash face, but I always have fun because people see what I put on the table and have no idea how I plan to play.

Loosen up, get creative, and show your orks some creative love... (Not that kind. They're asexual, remember.)

While I agree that the OP should convert the models he wants
rather than buy endless boxes of Lootas, I'm not in agreement
that conversion is the most enjoyable aspects of anything.
Everyone enjoys certain aspects of the hobby more than others.
Me, I enjoy collecting, painting and playing. Assembly and conversion
make me angry. I was so happy when I learned that they were
re-doing the ork trukk and releasing a battlewagon kit.

Build or buy or re-think your list so that it can include more of
the stuff you like.

If you don't convert at least a couple of them, your army will look bland. Conversions have and always will be a staple of 40k, and with all the bits GW and third party manufacturers put out, there's no reason to not at least give it a try.

This reminds me of "I have to buy endless boxes of Kabalites just to make a trueborn unit" Like someone else said, something is obviously drawing you to 40k, or you wouldn't have put so much effort into it in the first place. Don't sell your models unless you're 100% on quitting. I know a lot of people who learned that the hard way.

Well after looking at your gallery i can see that you are a more than competant painter so I am sure you would be able to do a few conversions here and there.
And if you have never done many before its a good step to take, especially as you have orcs.

I left 40k for the same reason Nurglizer is considering. It's not about not-playing multiple games.

For those who paint their armies, you often spend more time painting, building, etc., than you do actually playing. It's a hobby game where the majority of your time is not necessarily (though it can be) spent at the gaming table but at the painting table.

And if the ratio of painting time to gaming time gets too high, then you can lose some of the reason to be involved in the hobby-- playing fun games.

40k is relatively fun. The major draw back with both 40k and WFB is that the rules actively devalue both your purchases and painting time by requiring large numbers of models for full sized games. There are obvious exceptions, but generally each individual model contributes less to the game than it could.

When I got into 40k during 2nd Ed, it had a model count closer to what Warmachine does today. I remember a GT winning Nurgle army in one of the White Dwarf magazines that had 11 models. Only the truly horde level armies would get past 40 models a side.

So when you have the points costs of things halved and then the full game being pushed up from 1000 to 1500 to 1750 to even 2000-3000 like Nurglizer has to deal with locally, it gets untenable.

Nurglizer, you should probably sell your army and put the proceeds into another game.

Nurglizer wrote:Well, its not JUST Lootas. It seems that no matter what you play, you have to get many of the same guys to make a unit playable. Maybe its just my local gaming group, but they play 2-3,000 point games.

Found your problem right here. 2000 is the absolute biggest a sane game of 40k can be before you start breaking the game and moving towards Apocalypse. As for large units - why wouldn't you want large units as Orks? That's what they're all about. They have a low BS so you want lots of shots so you can raise your chances of hitting something. That's what the army is built around.

Nurglizer wrote:
Jeez, why do you have to be a jerk? I've put in many hours of my life painting and playing and talking about 40k. I put this on here because YOU people on the forum are the only ones that actually care, and might give me some reasons not to sell my Orks.

It might be because he found your OP a little whiny sounding, and maybe a bit hyperbolic. As has been stated, you don't need Lootas to make a decent Ork army. They're a great unit, but you don't need them to do well; it just helps to have some kind of fire support which is in short supply for Orks.