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Nurglizer wrote:In short: Lootas.

I have been building and painting a Ork army since 2009 and am still not finished. The problem is if I want to win I need more Lootas. However, they are $35 a box, and come with burnas and a mek, which I don't want, so I only get 4. I have to paint the same 4 guys 5 times and buy 5 boxes of stuff that I don't want just so I can have a competitive army. Sorry, but the genius at GW that thought this is a good idea to sell more models just lost a customer.

I just started playing Warmachine and I have a 15 point army already built and painted that I can play with! I put a lot of effort into my painting, sometimes more than 10 hours per model. Warmachine doesn't offer the creative scratch-building and kustomization that 40k does, but the gameplay is more tactical and fun.

I have never fielded lootas. I win my fair share of games with my orks.

Lootas most likely wont even be in the next codex or if they are they could very well get totally nerfed in some way and be worthless. GW has a habit of dropping the current hotness for some new hotness.

This thread seems to be all over the place but what everything comes down to are:

1. Cost($) - You don't want to pay tons of money for the GW loota models. The 2 major solutions would either be ebay or conversion(or both). I just checked on ebay and saw the first result for a '40k ork lootas' search was Lootas NIB for $21 including shipping. they still had 2 left. There were others for even cheaper, but thats a big savings already.

2. Your gaming group/local store - They are running larger games than you can handle. Ask people to run smaller games, run your chaos with your orks, borrow models for a game, or play 2 on 1. As long as point totals on each side are the same it should work out. You run ~1000 pts, you team up with someone with 2k points and play against someone(or anther team) running 3k.

Poor advice there frozenwastes, OP don't sell lovingly created models it's a false economy.

As for the idea that you should be playing 3000 point or even 2000 points, feth that! Even on a 8' x 4' table it will be massively over crowded. I have never understood this idea that you need all that stuff for 40k, I haven't seen that punted out by GW and is usually done by wazocks that cant choose between all their toys so want to take the lot.

40k benefits from being played at 1500 even 1000 because you are almost forced to balance your army as spamming can have some serious risks and moves you away from those stupid looking parking lot games you see.

Just hang on to the damn models. Would it kill you to not sell all your orks do you can a game you might like?

King Crow wrote:Just hang on to the damn models. Would it kill you to not sell all your orks do you can a game you might like?

This too. Never sell your finished stuff. If you're lucky you'll get half the money back, and you'll probably want to use them again at some point.

Nurglizer wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Well, if you feel that way, why complain about it? Post your Orks in the Swap Shop and move on.

Jeez, why do you have to be a jerk? I've put in many hours of my life painting and playing and talking about 40k. I put this on here because YOU people on the forum are the only ones that actually care, and might give me some reasons not to sell my Orks.

There's something to be said for the "gak or get off the pot" response. He's not being a jerk about it - he's saying that you have a choice to make. Make it and move on. You didn't ask any questions in your original post, you just complained. Well and so. If you want constructive advice, ask some constructive questions. You said "argh! So many models to paint! I don't wanna," and some people have replied with "you don't wanna - so don't."

If you had written something more along the lines of "these are my problems, what can I do about it?" you might have gotten different responses.

If you were my friend, who I played with, someone I had a vested interested in seeing continue the game, then I might have volunteered solutions to your problems without being asked. As it is, you're some guy on the Internet. Some guy in Spain, if I'm right about the flag next to your name. What the heck do I care? Play, don't play, sell your models, melt them down for plastic... it's not my problem. If you asked a question, I'd answer it. If you're just going to complain... well, the solution to your worries is obvious. Stop if you want to. Keep playing if you want to.

How many spare shootas and big shootas do you have left over? I am sure you could use them to make lootas from normal boyz.

If you hate paying MSRP for your Lootas why dont you go to Ebay/Kijiji/Swap show on dakkadakka etc and buy all the lootas you need at way cheaper?


If you walk into GW wanting to field 40 Lootas then yes, it sucks. But paying Less than half that is great!

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Well, if you feel that way, why complain about it? Post your Orks in the Swap Shop and move on.

What is this, a forum, where people have discussions, or something?

If you're not saying what I want to hear, then get out!

That's how bigoted and ridiculous your post sounded to me. You should be open minded enough to acknowledge issues when they come up without haranguing people just because they decide they have a reason to leave the hobby. He didn't say that he lost interest, and he didn't say that he wanted to sell his army, he said that he found a compelling reason not to continue and raised a point about the market. It's mindsets like yours that drive people away from the hobby, and in some cases, support unjustified business practices over customer service.

A forum is for conversation. If a person wants to complain, that's his business. It's as though the rights of corporations not to have their honor or public image besmirched has now superceded the right of the market to have discussion about which products are satisfactory for the consumer, and frankly, that's not capitalism. That's absurdity. If you don't work for the public relations department at Games Workshop, you have no business saying what you've just said.

TedNugent wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Well, if you feel that way, why complain about it? Post your Orks in the Swap Shop and move on.

What is this, a forum, where people have discussions, or something?

If you're not saying what I want to hear, then get out!

That's how bigoted and ridiculous your post sounded to me. You should be open minded enough to acknowledge issues when they come up without haranguing people just because they decide they have a reason to leave the hobby. He didn't say that he lost interest, and he didn't say that he wanted to sell his army, he said that he found a compelling reason not to continue and raised a point about the market. It's mindsets like yours that drive people away from the hobby, and in some cases, support unjustified business practices over customer service.

A forum is for conversation. If a person wants to complain, that's his business. It's as though the rights of corporations not to have their honor or public image besmirched has now superceded the right of the market to have discussion about which products are satisfactory for the consumer, and frankly, that's not capitalism. That's absurdity. If you don't work for the public relations department at Games Workshop, you have no business saying what you've just said.

The title itself doesnt promote discussion. It promotes attention seeking. if he wanted it to be a discussion then he could have at least come up with a better title.

Exactly, Draigo.

Everyday, there ar whinefests about how much these games suck. If they are so bad/expensive/whatever, then just quit and find a game that works.

Now, if the OP had explained his situation earlier, it becomes obvious why he wants to quit. His local 40k group is playing 2-3000 point games and he has nowhere near that many points. However, he did not exp, sounding like another call for the whaaaaambulance. After reading his post, several of us have given him advice on the situation.

I see no reason as to why you should quit 40k, but if you enjoy Warmahordes that much more than go for it. I hope you enjoy with whatever game(s) you play.

Couple of brass tubes = enormous double-barrelled shotgun Deffgun!

Or just don't field Lootas. I've seen several successful tournament Ork armies that don't use them at all.

Buy AoBR Orks and a bunch of gun bits (AC/LC/any tau weapon/etc..) and Ork smash the heck out of them. Much cheaper than buying several loota boxes.

You can kit convert them. Also invest in a spray gun it will help you a lot in painting the your models.

Nurglizer wrote:Well, its not JUST Lootas. It seems that no matter what you play, you have to get many of the same guys to make a unit playable. Maybe its just my local gaming group, but they play 2-3,000 point games. I don't have enough guys to actually play a game, and if I don't want Lootas any more, I must buy a bunch of boxes of something else to fill that vacancy. I also have 750 points of Chaos. I guess this is the problem I am asking everyone-- how can you get a playable army without becoming bored to death painting the same guys over and over? What do you do with all of the extra bits?

Uhm, you do know that having to paint the same figure over & over again also goes for: Terminators, SM's with bolters, not to mention; SM/eldar/ork/Chaos bikers. if you don't like painting repeated Lootas, why'd you even bother with them?

The boxing has screwed me over on multiple accounts as well, it's a awful

The boxing shouldn't be a problem when you can research the contents of a model kit by looking at the sprues. All of the new models that GW is releasing have pictures of the sprues on GW's site.

AresX8 wrote:The boxing shouldn't be a problem when you can research the contents of a model kit by looking at the sprues. All of the new models that GW is releasing have pictures of the sprues on GW's site.

You mean actually do research and not just blind buy things? What you're suggesting is tantamount to heresy!

Nurglizer wrote:I guess this is the problem I am asking everyone-- how can you get a playable army without becoming bored to death painting the same guys over and over?

Well, that's the difference between playing a skirmish game and a wargame. Do you want an army, or do you want a squad?

In order to get an army painted, you have to paint the army men (unless you pay someone else to do it, I guess). How to avoid boredom? Give each man some personal touches. Sure, they may be in uniform, but orks are a great army to go to town on with personalization. Some get old battle scars. Some get face or body paint. Some get checkerboards on their weapons or their armour plates - some get dags. Boredom is something you can only blame yourself for. And, sometimes, it's going to feel like a chore. But, when you put 300 boyz on the table, you're going to see a much more impressive sight than when you put your ten warmachine guys out.

I've painted over 500 orks (well enough to win awards with) and have another 200 or so to go. Take breaks. If it gets monotonous, paint something else for a while and then come back to them. Watch a TV series while you work; netflix is your friend, and documentaries are the best because you can listen more than watch. And, if none of these tips help, well, maybe horde armies just aren't your thing.

What do you do with all of the extra bits?

You save them and then use them for conversions later.

Why I want to quit 40k?

Annoying Tau fans....

We know, Coa. I hate them, too.

I want to quit 40k because I'm apparently a TFG and no-one likes playing against me because I always "win".

It doesn't help that I'm playing a Foot Tactical Marine BA Army most of the time with my Mech SW w/ TWC.

Play Fantasy.

I would just run a High Elf (See: White Lion) list!

And anyway, I don't have enough cash to afford to play both Fantasy and 40k.

Brother Coa wrote:Why I want to quit 40k?

Annoying Tau fans....

Because that totally couldn't be avoided by not going to/posting in/creating Tau hate threads.

Let's put a cork in this Tau hate flamebait pronto. To Brother Coa, knock it off. To everyone else, no one is forcing you to respond. First and last warning. Thanks!

TBO. I love when MODs come in stop a thread.... @ Manchu Least we know you still care! Anyway, @ OP, I am a nid player, and have arounf 2500 pt of nids. I got into 40k about a year ago, and I still only have around 600pt painted.. The thing with Orks and all other Hord armys, is (Yes! they are repedative!) But If you custom convert some guys, or just change the poses of some models I think you will have more fun. Trust me, When you have 60 Homagaunts/Termagaunts, and they are all literally the same, it gets boring fast!! That why I started a second army for 40k SW. I got tierd of painting nids, so I bought another army to take a breack from repeditiveness. As for you, My suggestion would be maby just take a breack from 40k and play some Warmachin. Keep your Orks so that If you run into a similar problem with the warmachine, you can always try out the Orks again. Hope some of that helps!

I've been playing Orks for 25 years, and have only about one tenth of my Orks painted (though i have had others painted that i've updated with newer unpainted models )

I hate painting orks. Truly.

I have collected and fully or partially painted a dozen armies (at least) since, but my orks avoided the painting love because i hated painting the fethers.

It's not like i could call them 'Grey Orks' one week, and then 'Blood Orks' or 'Ork Wolves' the next as a reason to not paint them (or rather i would gain no benefit by doing so as Orks only have one codex) , and i had no intention of preserving their value on ebay by leaving them unpainted. I just hate painting them.

Why didn't i get rid of them then, or quit 40K, or commit seppuku?

I love playing with them

My local tournament allows unpainted models, but i try to paint a new unit each month that fits my list for that tournament, as an incentive to painting them all. It's getting them painted, bit by bit.

I understand how overwhelming it can be to look at a grey tide and say to yourself 'why did i choose a horde army!!! why couldn't i have chosen a titchy army that you can paint in an afternoon (like most small WM armies)?? '

I also got into WM, partly to escape the Orky painting line with something different, but I still plan to finish my orks sometime before i die of old age

To the OP: If WM grabs you more than 40K, more power to you, as long as you enjoy it. I play both, and like both, but i can understand your reasons

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Exactly, Draigo.

Everyday, there ar whinefests about how much these games suck. If they are so bad/expensive/whatever, then just quit and find a game that works.

No. It's a forum. It's for whining.

It's for blowhards to whine about whiners and it's for whiners that whine. Would you like some cheese with that whine?

If people want to talk about how much they suck, well, man, that's really not any of your business. You don't work for GW, you are not their PR rep or their salesman, so give it up. Their bottom line is not your bottom line. It's not your concern whether someone doesn't think everything's perfect in the world of 40k, and there's room enough on an entire webforum on the topic for a little bit of conversation on consumer issues. Is Dakka the wholly owned subsidiary of Games Workshop? No. Then carry on. If someone has an opinion, they should voice it.

TedNugent wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Exactly, Draigo.

Everyday, there ar whinefests about how much these games suck. If they are so bad/expensive/whatever, then just quit and find a game that works.

No. It's a forum. It's for whining.

It's for blowhards to whine about whiners and it's for whiners that whine. Would you like some cheese with that whine?

If people want to talk about how much they suck, well, man, that's really not any of your business. You don't work for GW, you are not their PR rep or their salesman, so give it up. Their bottom line is not your bottom line. It's not your concern whether someone doesn't think everything's perfect in the world of 40k, and there's room enough on an entire webforum on the topic for a little bit of conversation on consumer issues. Is Dakka the wholly owned subsidiary of Games Workshop? No. Then carry on. If someone has an opinion, they should voice it.

You have a skewed view and taken it to the step of the whiner who whines about whiners who whine about whiners. Congrats you are part of the problem and only derail threads. The thread was flamebait from the get go and anyone who says otherwise is naive.

Why he should quit he should really quit is hes an ork player who doesnt convert. lol I've never heard an ork player complain they had to buy anything. They just build it. I have seen battlewagons made from RC cars. Sheesh