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My regular opponent plays DE, And got a Black Dragon for xmas. So we played a game on the first day the FLGS was set up, with his -gorgeous- newly built and painted dragon. Well needless to say the thing won the game for him. I attempted to send my own giant after it who got into one round of combat then got scythed down. Such was the fate of the block of Bestigors I had rush it.

The only -easy- way I could see killing it would be lore of Death on a great shammy. Any dakkaites want to share their dragon slaying wisdom?

I always take a Lvl 4 Death just for things like this. Also Amber Spear works wonders

As a person who uses dragons regularly, here are the things I am scared of.

Big shooty. Either in the form of magic or conventional weapons, they both can take big chunks out of a Dragon. Obviously, you don't have much for regular weapons as a Beastman player, unless you wanna go with Cygors lobbing rocks at it. But you do have magic. Anything that can force an I test is good for a dragon, as their I is fairly average. Also a nice, cheap alternative is if you can use Lore of Beasts, the Amber Spear (or whatever it is called now, the bolt thrower/cannonball spell) is a great heavy hitter for Dragon hunting.

Also good is if you can bury the Dragon with ranked, steadfast infantry blocks. It may not kill it, but you may possibly break it through combat rez (especially if you sacrifice something in a challenge for it) and run it down if he isn't running a stubborn crown on the rider.

I tests on a dragon uses the riders I... elf I

Oh right. Been too long since I've played my elves and I've been monkeying with a Gaurlach Chaos list, so I was always thinking on the dragon's I :( but soon.

Not quite, if you hit it with a Purple Sun/Pit of Shades then both parts of the model are hit, and they both test on their own initiative- there's nothing in the rules (that I can see) to imply that the Dragon gets to use the rider's initiative.

Mindrazored Gor will also fix pretty much any problems you're coming up against.

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"Were a model or a unit has more than one value for the same characteristic the test is taken at the highest value"

Running a lvl 4 with Death and Hagtree fetish next game.

Nuke this fething giant gecko and run him to the ground with my mobs of Gors and Bestigors.

Hahahah I love the Death+ Fetish combo.... Killed so many things with it

Cheaper; go viletide + hagtree fetish considering you can roll 7+ 6's with only slightly above average rolls it could work (although the armour could be a jerk), cygor is an option S9 D6 wounds boulder could pop it in a turn, or hit it with pumba chariots

cygor is a terrible way to deal with it. Magic would work, arabyan carpet riding beastlord but the fact of the matter is that the dragon is big and nasty and its just a bad matchup. WHFB is full of them.

Counter charging razorgors would hurt it if they can hit it.

Magic and then a fighty character (who could be the magic user if using beasts) to fight off an assassination attempt should the dragon get nervous about getting magick'd

Turn yourself into a mountain chimera and chase him down

DE have way too many cheap and easy saves to reliably kill it and the character on top. Death doesn't seem very reliable to me though.

How would a beast lord kill it?

Exuse me, but cannot ungors just redirect it from dusk til dawn? Also, steadfast + banner shouled make shure they stay put when the figting begins.

They could but it's just not as much fun as killing the big beastie

Niiai wrote:Exuse me, but cannot ungors just redirect it from dusk til dawn? Also, steadfast + banner shouled make shure they stay put when the figting begins.

Given that the dragon is flying and has a huge threat range and no frenzy...it's pretty hard to redirect it. Unless you mean some other kind of redirecting that I don't know about.

Wouldn't flying just fly over the gors, less you encased the army in a box of units?

Flame templates murder gors pretty hard too.

Not silly S3 DE Dragon breath though

Johnny-Crass wrote:Not silly S3 DE Dragon breath though

Might wanna check your codex there.

Black Dragon is S4, and has the charge penalty thing.

Cygore(s).
While not normally awesome, the ability to hit a 4"x6" base is something that they can do.
But you'll need 2 to have a good shot at it, and 550 points is risky.
Then again, stone throwers are great against T3 elves.

I say Cygore and magic. Once you down the dragon, those Cygores can start flinging rocks at hydras and witch elves.

-Matt

Are you saying to take two cygors? Is that the 550

Well, do not run your units unsupported.

Flyers can pick their fights so it is in your best interest that there's always someone out there to help whatever unit he charges.

Bestigors are great monster hunters, just make sure to hit the dragon first (to get rid of thunderstomp), and your numbers should make the rest, the beasts signature spell would also help a lot.

A flying carpet doombull with the ASF sword can take out a wounded dragon on the charge, too.

jouso wrote:
Well, do not run your units unsupported.

Flyers can pick their fights so it is in your best interest that there's always someone out there to help whatever unit he charges.

Bestigors are great monster hunters, just make sure to hit the dragon first (to get rid of thunderstomp), and your numbers should make the rest, the beasts signature spell would also help a lot.

A flying carpet doombull with the ASF sword can take out a wounded dragon on the charge, too.

An ASF oombull unless I'm running the wrong math would take 2-3 wounds off a dragon and still having its 6+ armour save going for it. And when you take into account the dreadlord on top your doombull won't get to the next round of combat, you need to have half his wounds gone and to roll above average for that combo to work


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Yes i see the spelling mistake, putting the oomph into the minotaur

Shooting is the best way to kill Dragons of any persuasion. Unfortunantly beastmen lack in that department.

So your only real options are Magic and grinding it in combat. In combat you want to focus on killing the dragon. Its far easier to kill then the Elf on top. Once its dead then you have a lone character that can lose to static combat resolution pretty easily.

a Doombull can take the dragon down in a hurry.

Hunting Spear!!!

Johnny-Crass wrote:Hunting Spear!!!

That has potential s10 d6 wounds, although you'll probably hit the dread lord with the whole I don't care how strong you are talisman

Not Amber Spear... Hunting Spear... Look under your magic weapons

Eh, with our less than stellar BS, costly price and all the modifiers it is not all that good.

Ha and my beast lord takes it every game too oh squiggly line you are forgiven

A unit of Bestogors should lay waste to this thing. Minos can do the job, too.

Minos would do it better as you would loose way to many Besti-Friends for it to be even worth it