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Why do you need a kickstarter to make a website.

ph34r wrote:Why do you need a kickstarter to make a website.

Go watch the video and you'll find out.

We will be focusing on high quality videos to help new players learn the game easier. So we will need a decent camera and a properly lit studio.

Emerett wrote:Go watch the video and you'll find out.

We will be focusing on high quality videos to help new players learn the game easier. So we will need a decent camera and a properly lit studio.

I did, and I see that you want funding for equipment and such... I suppose a Kickstarter is not entirely unwarranted but it seems odd considering the proliferation of other hobby-centric websites that started up on their own.

I wish you the best in any case.

ph34r wrote:

Emerett wrote:Go watch the video and you'll find out.

We will be focusing on high quality videos to help new players learn the game easier. So we will need a decent camera and a properly lit studio.

I did, and I see that you want funding for equipment and such... I suppose a Kickstarter is not entirely unwarranted but it seems odd considering the proliferation of other hobby-centric websites that started up on their own.

I wish you the best in any case.

Very few of those other sites have high quality video, steady camera operators or well thought out dialogue for the videos they are shooting.

That's why we are Kickstarting, I believe there is a demand for such a website and we hope to provide it.

Do you have any existing tutorials out there?

It's easy to say what you want to do with the website, but to get people donating, you're going to have to show that you can actually deliver something that they can't already find elsewhere.

Good idea!

insaniak wrote:Do you have any existing tutorials out there?

It's easy to say what you want to do with the website, but to get people donating, you're going to have to show that you can actually deliver something that they can't already find elsewhere.

I agree. Most kickstarters show a preview of their work. You show only yourself talking about what you want to do. Regardless of camera quality, you should be able to create at least a tutorial.

ph34r wrote:Why do you need a kickstarter to make a website.

I don't understand why gamers have such a hard time understanding this, and I'm not singling you out specifically, but I see a question like this in every Kickstarter/IndieGoGo thread. Kickstarter is about creative projects. It is not solely about launching a business in which the donators see some return on investment. In fact, it direct says in is not about investment or lending on their website. It is about supporting projects you think deserve support. Sorry for using your comment to express my point, but I find it frustrating that people question someone using a site for it's intended purpose. It would kind of be like asking someone why they are using eBay to sell their goods.


Edit: But yes, as expressed, some additional info or a preview of what you plan to do would be a good idea.

Cadaver wrote:... but I find it frustrating that people question someone using a site for it's intended purpose. It would kind of be like asking someone why they are using eBay to sell their goods.

It would be more like asking why someone is seeking donations to set up an eBay store...

Cadaver wrote:

Edit: But yes, as expressed, some additional info or a preview of what you plan to do would be a good idea.

Thanks for the suggestions. We will update our Kickstarter page with a preview tutorial as soon as we can.

Any other suggestions that you can offer would be great.

IP laws are not a strong suit of mine, but how in depth with rules are you going to be able to go into before GDubs has a lawyer knocking on your door?

Pretty darn in depth. One of our partners is quite familiar with the topic, so it won't actually be an issue.

insaniak wrote:

Cadaver wrote:... but I find it frustrating that people question someone using a site for it's intended purpose. It would kind of be like asking someone why they are using eBay to sell their goods.

It would be more like asking why someone is seeking donations to set up an eBay store...

Kickstarter is a platform for crowd-sourced funding for creative projects. Ebay is a e-commerce platform for selling your goods. He is using Kickstarter for its intended purpose. He is not setting up a an e-commerce website for profit, so that comparison, I think, is very inaccurate. Besides, the whole point of Kickstarter is people seeking donations for their projects.

Maybe a better comparison than eBay would be this; what's the point of donating to Dakka by becoming a DCM? You aren't really seeing a return on that donation, yet you don't see anyone questioning why you would collect money to support that endeavor. One is a donation to get a website off the ground, another is a donation to keep a website running than has grown beyond the capability, or desire, of the owners to fund solely themselves.


Emerett, it's cool you are doing the "big three" but perhaps focusing on the smaller games like Malifaux, Dark Age, GW specialist games as well would nice. Most folks know generally about the bigger games, and I not saying don't cover them. However, providing tutorials on games people may be hesitant to get into for no other reason than lack of exposure might draw more attention. In any event, I wish you and your team the best of luck!


edit: spelling

Cadaver wrote:
Emerett, it's cool you are doing the "big three" but perhaps focusing on the smaller games like Malifaux, Dark Age, GW specialist games as well would nice. Most folks know generally about the bigger games, and I not saying don't cover them. However, providing tutorials on games people may be hesitant to get into for no other reason than lack of exposure might draw more attention. In any event, I wish you and your team the best of luck!

Seconding this.


When Beasts of War did their Infinity stuff it really increased the interest in that game.

Cyporiean wrote:

Cadaver wrote:
Emerett, it's cool you are doing the "big three" but perhaps focusing on the smaller games like Malifaux, Dark Age, GW specialist games as well would nice. Most folks know generally about the bigger games, and I not saying don't cover them. However, providing tutorials on games people may be hesitant to get into for no other reason than lack of exposure might draw more attention. In any event, I wish you and your team the best of luck!

Seconding this.


When Beasts of War did their Infinity stuff it really increased the interest in that game.

Immensely, they create quickstart rules, they had interviews with the CB guys... it was in depth as all get out.

Just a quick update: 27 Days Left

We are currently in the process of trying to find a camera to rent / borrow so we can put together a decent preview tutorial showing the format and style that our videos will be (the original was shot on a smartphone, audio sync issues make it impossible for me to edit properly). Once we find one, we will update the Kickstarter page with the demo tutorial all of you have suggested. Hopefully this will happen by thursday of next week, March 12th.

After a bit of discussion about the input from you guys we will absolutely be expanding to more tabletop games. We hope that this will interest older players that already have the big three down and may be interested in learning about newer games. Also, it will just help the wargaming community in general, showing how games people haven't played before, work on the table.

The list of games we will expand to right now contains:

Mailfaux
Infinity
Super Dungeon Explore
Blood Bowl
Dreadfleet
Inquisitor
Necromunda
Mordheim
Battlefleet Gothic (I haven't seen this one suggested but I thought it may be a good idea, is anyone still playing Gothic out there?)
Battletech
Iron Kingdoms

I feel that this is a much heftier and satisfying list than we had originally proposed. I am confident that we will be able to have pretty solid database of video tutorials for these games on the launch of the website and they will continue to stream out after launch. This list of games will obviously grow as the site expands with time and new games get the spotlight and demand coverage.

Also:

We decided to add a new reward to the Kickstarter Page that veteran players may be able to appreciate more. A Diced or GeekPlug branded Rulebook / Codex cover. It is actually quite nice, zips closed, holds the book in place and has a notepad in the back great for writing notes and army lists down (and it looks classy to boot).



You don't have to donate to keep up with what's happening on the Kickstarter page, by just starring it, you will be supporting us.

Thanks fellas, more news to come soon.

Emerett wrote:
Dreadfleet

Not sure that you really need to go over a game that will never be supported, and is only obtainable via ebay. The same could be said for BFG, but I've actually seen people play BFG and discuss it with some regularity.

Cyporiean wrote:

Emerett wrote:
Dreadfleet

Not sure that you really need to go over a game that will never be supported, and is only obtainable via ebay. The same could be said for BFG, but I've actually seen people play BFG and discuss it with some regularity.

It's still a GW product and GW is big, so lots of people will be looking it up. May as well support it.

Emerett wrote:

Cyporiean wrote:

Emerett wrote:
Dreadfleet

Not sure that you really need to go over a game that will never be supported, and is only obtainable via ebay. The same could be said for BFG, but I've actually seen people play BFG and discuss it with some regularity.

It's still a GW product and GW is big, so lots of people will be looking it up. May as well support it.

Then why not LOTR/WOTR?

Cy, your post sounds so angry with the all caps of LoTR and WoTR... but we all know it's not.

It is a good question. I'd probably prefer to see videos on LoTR than dreadfleet, but I'm not geekplug, so i don't get that decision

Cyporiean wrote:

Emerett wrote:

Cyporiean wrote:

Emerett wrote:
Dreadfleet

Not sure that you really need to go over a game that will never be supported, and is only obtainable via ebay. The same could be said for BFG, but I've actually seen people play BFG and discuss it with some regularity.

It's still a GW product and GW is big, so lots of people will be looking it up. May as well support it.

Then why not LOTR/WOTR?

We are only covering games on launch that someone at the teams plays.

None of us currently play LOTR WOTR, so we can't promise that we will have a full understanding of the rules at launch.

It will happen in the future, but I can't promise that it will within spring of this year.

You are doing it wrong. Nobody cares how many products you slap your logo on; why would anyone want one of your products if you are not a brand that is good or that people care about?

I do not want a geek plug branded organizer and a geek plug branded shirt when you have done zero.

I think the artist that made all the stuff is awesome :3

LunaHound wrote:I think the artist that made all the stuff is awesome :3

You know it's just the same logo plastered over everything? A logo like that takes under an hour to make. I made a logo for a project's concept company two days ago, it took 30 minutes.

ph34r wrote:

LunaHound wrote:I think the artist that made all the stuff is awesome :3

You know it's just the same logo plastered over everything? A logo like that takes under an hour to make. I made a logo for a project's concept company two days ago, it took 30 minutes.

And its eye catching.

If you make nice stuff I would compliment it too. Its not like im trying to single anyone out...
( actually I would love to see your work, Im a good editor :3 are you ph34ry? )

He's been trying to troll this thread the entire time it's been up, nothing new.
Some people don't like seeing others trying to succeed, I can live with this, it's still not going to stop me.

I appreciate the compliments on the logo, me and the guy you see in the video worked on them for a while to get a concept that we liked, I am very happy with how they came out.

I am curious about one thing, it says you guys will introduce hobby & game to newbies ( including popular warhammer and warmachine )

my question is, will you use warhammer or warmachine as primary introduction into the hobby aspect?

ph34r wrote:You are doing it wrong. Nobody cares how many products you slap your logo on; why would anyone want one of your products if you are not a brand that is good or that people care about?

I do not want a geek plug branded organizer and a geek plug branded shirt when you have done zero.

I'm curious, ph34r - why do you seem so angry about this Kickstarter? Providing incentives for higher donations seems to be part of the standard approach on the site, and quite a few I've seen have included branded merchandise even before the brand has become well-known.

Dysartes wrote:

ph34r wrote:You are doing it wrong. Nobody cares how many products you slap your logo on; why would anyone want one of your products if you are not a brand that is good or that people care about?

I do not want a geek plug branded organizer and a geek plug branded shirt when you have done zero.

I'm curious, ph34r - why do you seem so angry about this Kickstarter? Providing incentives for higher donations seems to be part of the standard approach on the site, and quite a few I've seen have included branded merchandise even before the brand has become well-known.

But ph34r isn't wrong either. Why would any normal person throw out money to an organization that have no prior work done to show as their reputation?
Charity is one thing, but like BOW I can see this turn into something monetary ( sponsors and ad space etc etc )