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I feel like this community is constantly preyed on by people who have business start ups, take a lot of people's money and then scams everyone. We just got done with that whole 'pay it forward' and the 'bulk groupon' sites who ended up taking everyone's money in a similar fashion.

If you are serious about this 'teaching players how to game' I assume you are looking into a learning management system to house your curriculum right? No point in re-inventing the wheel when you are basically working on a system of teaching techniques and rules via the web. If you are actually serious about this as a business model, is this going to be a subscription-based site? How do you make money via this site and how does it help anyone considering there are literally hundreds of blogs on the net telling us how to play these games and the tactics behind them for free due to website advertising.

The only kickstarters I see as worthy of the risk are ones where artists are selling models and should they reach production I can get a physical good for my money. I echo Ph34r and Omegus and considering all the thefts and scams perpetrated on the Dakka community, I think people need to be convinced as they are right to be skeptical.

I'm not a MOD but i would suggest that although this is all well and good i would like everyone to stray on the side of caution.

Constructive criticism is great but loosely implied accusations and nae saying isn't going to do anyone any good. This thread is starting to tread the line into those territories. I'd just like to ask anyone considering posting to take that into account before they click the big shiny submit button.

Casey's Law wrote:I'm not a MOD but i would suggest that although this is all well and good i would like everyone to stray on the side of caution.

Constructive criticism is great but loosely implied accusations and nae saying isn't going to do anyone any good. This thread is starting to tread the line into those territories. I'd just like to ask anyone considering posting to take that into account before they click the big shiny submit button.

I have yet to see any loosely implied accusations in this thread.
People are been careful for good reasons.

LunaHound wrote:

Casey's Law wrote:I'm not a MOD but i would suggest that although this is all well and good i would like everyone to stray on the side of caution.

Constructive criticism is great but loosely implied accusations and nae saying isn't going to do anyone any good. This thread is starting to tread the line into those territories. I'd just like to ask anyone considering posting to take that into account before they click the big shiny submit button.

I have yet to see any loosely implied accusations in this thread.
People are been careful for good reasons.

I'm not arguing with anyone, dude, just requesting caution. I have posted here myself if you read the first page. What i wouldn't like to see is this turning into something it wasn't intended to be. I don't think he has gone about this in the best way but that doesn't mean we can't be constructive and positive where possible. I'm sure you agree.

Back on topic(pm me or open a new thread to continue this topic):

nkelsch wrote:I feel like this community is constantly preyed on by people who have business start ups, take a lot of people's money and then scams everyone. We just got done with that whole 'pay it forward' and the 'bulk groupon' sites who ended up taking everyone's money in a similar fashion.

If you are serious about this 'teaching players how to game' I assume you are looking into a learning management system to house your curriculum right? No point in re-inventing the wheel when you are basically working on a system of teaching techniques and rules via the web. If you are actually serious about this as a business model, is this going to be a subscription-based site? How do you make money via this site and how does it help anyone considering there are literally hundreds of blogs on the net telling us how to play these games and the tactics behind them for free due to website advertising.

The only kickstarters I see as worthy of the risk are ones where artists are selling models and should they reach production I can get a physical good for my money. I echo Ph34r and Omegus and considering all the thefts and scams perpetrated on the Dakka community, I think people need to be convinced as they are right to be skeptical.

Can you give some examples of the scams you are referencing? I'm just curious because I haven't heard of any scams, especially any that affected members here on Dakka.

Where did it ever reference this kickstarter as a business? In fact using Kickstarter to fund a business is against their site guidelines. This is a project, which is what Kickstarter is designed for. I mentioned this earlier, as I really can't stand that people are uninformed to a websites's primary function, and then question why someone using the website for the intended function. I'll refer you to Kickstarter's own policy:

Kickstarter wrote:

Project Guidelines

Kickstarter is a funding platform made especially for creative projects, and our guidelines support that focus. We've shaped these guidelines with the interest of our community in mind, and we appreciate you working with us to maintain them.

Funding for projects only. A project has a clear goal, like making an album, a book, or a work of art. A project will eventually be completed, and something will be produced by it. A project is not open-ended. Starting a business, for example, does not qualify as a project.
Projects must fit Kickstarter's categories. Kickstarter can be used to fund projects from the creative fields of Art, Comics, Dance, Design, Fashion, Film, Food, Games, Music, Photography, Publishing, Technology, and Theater. We currently only support projects from these categories.
No charity or cause funding. Examples of prohibited use include raising money for the Red Cross, funding an awareness campaign, funding a scholarship, or donating a portion of funds raised on Kickstarter to a charity or cause.
No "fund my life" projects. Examples include projects to pay tuition or bills, go on vacation, or buy a new camera.
No prohibited items or subject matter. There are some things we just don't allow on Kickstarter. Please review our list of prohibited items and subject matter, which includes things like contests, raffles, drugs, and other specific topics.

So clearly, this is a project, and not a business.

If you are interested in paying money for a good or service, I would suggest going out and buying those items as normal. This is not the purpose of Kickstarter. If you look at any Kickstarter with the desire to receive something in return for your donation, in many cases there will be some return, but there doesn't necessarily have to be. If the idea of funding a project doesn't appeal to you, just move on. The project isn't for you.

I think referencing this as a potential scam is ridiculous. It's fine to be cautious, but to you go into the Dakka Swap Shop and ask every poster if they are a scam artist? I would hope not. And just as Dakka is not responsible for any scams that may take place in the Swap Shop, they aren't responsible for scams through Kickstarter. They have their own security measures in place, and if you are unsure if those measures are sufficient to protect against fraud, you are free to not participate in the service of that website.

I would like to point out they are offering some kick ass incentives that do make me think they are legitimately interested in getting people playing and that they plan to pay back those getting them started with good rewards.

Look here..

175$

Warhammer 40k, Warmachine, or Fantasy starter sets so you and a friend can learn to play. Comes fully painted to your specifications and will include 2 shirts one for you and one for your friend. Stickers and thank you included. — Add $10 for orders from outside the U.S.

If this means a starter set for both you and a friend.. this is outstanding, the massive discount aside. (It's going to be minimum 200$ for two starter sets) It comes painted already for you and a friend to play. Seems to me like just making a buck isnt their incentive here.


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I do wonder though...

Do Kickstarter incentives still apply if the goal isn't reached?

Well by the 'rules' it doesnt appear like this is even a valid kick starter as it is basically a 'fund my life' kick starter when asking to fund a camera purchase and website. I am not sure a video blog of how to play 40k counts as artistic film. And the website and videos is all open ended which is also not meeting the standards. The nature of a website requires hosting which is open ended and ongoing.

At least war games kick starts which produce minis or terrain at least make art.

And the scams are well documented and well known. It should be pretty clear what they were along with the numerous 'I'll paint your stuff' scams. Literally googling 'pay it forward' on dakkadakka shows it all. Buyer beware... There is already plenty of people giving tactics for war games with video blogs and websites who don't want me to buy them an HD camera and recording equipment for them.

Cadaver wrote:

So clearly, this is a project, and not a business.

Strictly speaking, you are right, yet that is just dwelling on semantics.

Like a business and investments ( since there ARE money involved ) there has to be a clear presented formulated plan.
Promise of growth, and returns for the investors ( or in this case for everyone in the community as well )

Or else, the "project" would be pointless, e.g would you like to donate me $20 for a GW project I want to do? Under your own mouth, you should be obligated to say "yes"
but I doubt it'll be that easy :'P

Im not saying OP did nothing, quite on the contrary I rather like their products.
Yet to many that have raised the concerns, if it does fail, all they are left are these products,
products with a logo that failed on it ( not saying it will, but its their worry )

Thunderfrog wrote:I would like to point out they are offering some kick ass incentives that do make me think they are legitimately interested in getting people playing and that they plan to pay back those getting them started with good rewards.

Look here..

175$

Warhammer 40k, Warmachine, or Fantasy starter sets so you and a friend can learn to play. Comes fully painted to your specifications and will include 2 shirts one for you and one for your friend. Stickers and thank you included. — Add $10 for orders from outside the U.S.

If this means a starter set for both you and a friend.. this is outstanding, the massive discount aside. (It's going to be minimum 200$ for two starter sets) It comes painted already for you and a friend to play. Seems to me like just making a buck isnt their incentive here.


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I do wonder though...

Do Kickstarter incentives still apply if the goal isn't reached?

I think you misunderstood. I think they're offering one starter box of your choice, from the list which they will paint and send to you with two t-shirts.

Well by the 'rules' it doesnt appear like this is even a valid kick starter as it is basically a 'fund my life' kick starter when asking to fund a camera purchase and website. I am not sure a video blog of how to play 40k counts as artistic film. And the website and videos is all open ended which is also not meeting the standards. The nature of a website requires hosting which is open ended and ongoing.

At least war games kick starts which produce minis or terrain at least make art.

And the scams are well documented and well known. It should be pretty clear what they were along with the numerous 'I'll paint your stuff' scams. Buyer beware... There is already plenty of people giving tactics for war games with video blogs and websites who don't want me to buy them an HD camera and recording equipment for them.

Far be it from you to decide what is art or a project and what isn't. It touches on Games, Art, and Film.. although the latter is a stretch. The end goal here isn't his camera and website. The camera and website are the means to his end goal, which is laid out below and several times throughout the thread.

I don't understand the need to nega-bomb everything. There's a few posters in here that are all over the thoughts of returns on investment and the laziness of the OP.

Point is this: He is using Kickstarter to ask for help with a project. His project vision is having his own website where he regularly gives advice and tactica on how to play various games. He doesn't like the current sites out there as he feels their terrible production value detracts from their message. He isn't asking for stockholders or people to put up capital on a new business. He wants people interested in this project in accordance with his vision to help him out. For those that do, he will offer them advice on a very personal level in regards to their own army and favorite play style...and models, many of them painted as a way of saying thank you.

If you don't like his project, that's okay, but you are seriously detracting from his efforts by posting so much negative in here. Just because you don't think it's a worthy or well enough compensated kickstarter doesnt give you the right to spam his thread in hopes you will contribute to his projects downfall. That's just petty and holier-than-thou.

I think you misunderstood. I think they're offering one starter box of your choice, from the list which they will paint and send to you with two t-shirts.

I don't know. It specifially says "starter sets so you can a friend cand learn to play."

@OP

Any clarification on this level incentive?

The raffle aspect is also against the rules of kick starter.

Thunderfrog wrote:

I don't know. It specifially says "starter sets so you can a friend cand learn to play."

@OP

Any clarification on this level incentive?

It's the "or" in the list that leads me to believe the "s", in "sets" was a mistake. With that many starters, all painted, it would cost them substantially more than the donation amount, and that's without considering the time involved in painting it all. Realistically speaking, that's not doable for them and for them to still make any money out of it.

Thunderfrog wrote:

Do Kickstarter incentives still apply if the goal isn't reached?

If the goal is not reached, the project does not go forward, and no money exchanges hands. The person you launched the Kickstarter is not obligated to follow through with the incentives, just as the backers are not obligated to give the money they pledged.

nkelsch wrote:Well by the 'rules' it doesnt appear like this is even a valid kick starter as it is basically a 'fund my life' kick starter when asking to fund a camera purchase and website. I am not sure a video blog of how to play 40k counts as artistic film. And the website and videos is all open ended which is also not meeting the standards. The nature of a website requires hosting which is open ended and ongoing.

At least war games kick starts which produce minis or terrain at least make art.

And the scams are well documented and well known. It should be pretty clear what they were along with the numerous 'I'll paint your stuff' scams. Buyer beware... There is already plenty of people giving tactics for war games with video blogs and websites who don't want me to buy them an HD camera and recording equipment for them.

Yeah, because running a website is somehow funding one's life? A project can be any number of things, and helping to create a game system that someone profits off of is way more "funding my life' than a website than provides tutorials for games. In any event, why don't we leave the validity of the project to Kickstarter, and not you.

OK, so not providing a single, specific example.

Obviously this project is not for you, so why not just move on? I would do the same myself, as I have no real investment in this specific project, aside form seeing videos on games I haven't had the opportunity to see played. I think the larger issue here, is people who clearly do not understand what Kickstarter is for are pouncing on someone using the site for its purpose, and all I can imagine coming of this is discouraging others from trying Kickstarters themselves.

LunaHound wrote:

Cadaver wrote:

So clearly, this is a project, and not a business.

Strictly speaking, you are right, yet that is just dwelling on semantics.

Like a business and investments ( since there ARE money involved ) there has to be a clear presented formulated plan.
Promise of growth, and returns for the investors ( or in this case for everyone in the community as well )

Or else, the "project" would be pointless, e.g would you like to donate me $20 for a GW project I want to do? Under your own mouth, you should be obligated to say "yes"
but I doubt it'll be that easy :'P

Im not saying OP did nothing, quite on the contrary I rather like their products.
Yet to many that have raised the concerns, if it does fail, all they are left are these products,
products with a logo that failed on it ( not saying it will, but its their worry )

No one is obligated to do anything, and that's my larger point. If you don't like it, don't donate. If it's not for you, move on.

If you're just in it for the swag, again, don't donate. The intention of funding a Kickstarter project is to support something you think has potential. There is no guarantee that initial support of that project entails ongoing support.



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nkelsch wrote:The raffle aspect is also against the rules of kick starter.

If you want to go taddle on them, there is a contact form on Kickstarter's website. Why not follow up with this there instead of wasting everyone's time here?

You obviously don't like this project, and aren't giving your money to them, so move on. Do you really have nothing better to do with your time?

Same could be said for you... You have nothing better than to carry other people's water for them? Work stands for itself. If there was some evidence or examples of what people would be supporting, maybe people would feel better about this, especially since there are loads of legitimate reasons to be skeptical.

People have valid criticisms and constructive suggestions which have been met with, "your a troll, why you mad bro! Only support is allowed in this thread!"

Know what shuts people up? A good video with content which shows what people should expect. The content can be achieved without expensive cameras and if this is a labor of love, show us some examples, and if it fills a need in the community the support will overflow.

All it seems that people want is minimal effort to show this is legit and actually to get a taste of what they would be supporting opposed to a bunch of thirst of a brand which stands for a product we don't even know what it is yet.

nkelsch wrote:Same could be said for you... You have nothing better than to carry other people's water for them? Work stands for itself. If there was some evidence or examples of what people would be supporting, maybe people would feel better about this, especially since there are loads of legitimate reasons to be skeptical.

People have valid criticisms and constructive suggestions which have been met with, "your a troll, why you mad bro! Only support is allowed in this thread!"

Know what shuts people up? A good video with content which shows what people should expect. The content can be achieved without expensive cameras and if this is a labor of love, show us some examples, and if it fills a need in the community the support will overflow.

All it seems that people want is minimal effort to show this is legit and actually to get a taste of what they would be supporting opposed to a bunch of thirst of a brand which stands for a product we don't even know what it is yet.

No, I do have better things to do, so this will be my last post on the subject. However, it does bother me that people that people criticize something, in this case, the legitimacy of this project as a Kickstarter, yet they have no idea what the purpose of a Kickstarter is.

If you don't like the project, don't give your money to support it. You don't need to insinuate it could be a scam or post that it breaks Kickstarter rules, which you had no clue what they even were until I quoted them in this thread.

Those are not valid or constructive criticisms, plain and simple. There has been plenty of constructive criticism in this thread, but your comments have not been among them.

You are the one who posted a wall of text about rules and kick starter legitimacy. You posted the rules which then showed by kick starters own rules it isn't a valid kick starter to begin with.

nkelsch wrote:You are the one who posted a wall of text about rules and kick starter legitimacy. You posted the rules which then showed by kick starters own rules it isn't a valid kick starter to begin with.

You're wrong. Normally I use lighter phrases like .. "You might be mistaken." or " Try reading it again mate!" .. but in this case, you are just flat wrong.

I referenced earlier just exactly WHY this project doesnt break the rules. There's nothing that breaks the Kickstarter terms of use with this project.

nkelsch wrote:I feel like this community is constantly preyed on by people who have business start ups, take a lot of people's money and then scams everyone. We just got done with that whole 'pay it forward' and the 'bulk groupon' sites who ended up taking everyone's money in a similar fashion.

If you are serious about this 'teaching players how to game' I assume you are looking into a learning management system to house your curriculum right? No point in re-inventing the wheel when you are basically working on a system of teaching techniques and rules via the web. If you are actually serious about this as a business model, is this going to be a subscription-based site? How do you make money via this site and how does it help anyone considering there are literally hundreds of blogs on the net telling us how to play these games and the tactics behind them for free due to website advertising.

The only kickstarters I see as worthy of the risk are ones where artists are selling models and should they reach production I can get a physical good for my money. I echo Ph34r and Omegus and considering all the thefts and scams perpetrated on the Dakka community, I think people need to be convinced as they are right to be skeptical.

Just for clarification - Pay it forward has nothing to do with GalaxyGobbo/Games that was someone else/another venture.

Also we did not end up taking anyone's money without delivery of product.. Supply issues did delay people's orders - they were either fulfilled or refunded.
Just wanted to clear the air. There were and are no scams with what we had done. (I talk to several dakka trade staff, they'd let me know if this was the case)

We closed shop due to lack of supplier, until another time upcoming. We had an idea and we flew with it and tried it out.

I understand what you mean though in regards to this topic on kickstarter and alike however.

Emerett wrote:

frozenwastes wrote:I actually like the idea of a webpage like this. I've "starred" the project and will see if I can find some money in the budget to help out.

What I would suggest though, is getting your hands on any camera (even 240p) and put a video up on Youtube or something. Concentrate on getting the presentation, camera work and editing up to snuff and worry about going high-res once you have enough to cover the camera.

We have one scheduled to be rented on Monday, after shooting and editing I will be able to have a demo up on the Kickstarter page by Thursday.

People keep suggesting that we just buy a cheap camera to do some demos on (which we have a couple of), but I am very concerned that if I put up a low quality demo video, that donators may think that will be the final quality.

Grainy picture, camera shake, bad audio and poorly lit videos drive me crazy. I don't find them acceptable and they won't be on GeekPlug.com. So I don't want to put a demo up that suggests that is what we will be producing.


So to everyone demanding a demo video, be patient, it's coming this week.

I think what people are trying to tell you is that before they invest in a podcast site they want to know what your podcasts would be like. You can have a slick presentation and still have a podcast / video that sucks. To be honest I'm not even sure you need the video so much as some good audio that is representative of what you are looking to do. This will give potential investors something to gauge their interest on.

A script would cost nothing to put together and would give an idea of the approach you are going to take.

Emerett wrote:

Cyporiean wrote:

Emerett wrote:

Cyporiean wrote:

Emerett wrote:
Dreadfleet

Not sure that you really need to go over a game that will never be supported, and is only obtainable via ebay. The same could be said for BFG, but I've actually seen people play BFG and discuss it with some regularity.

It's still a GW product and GW is big, so lots of people will be looking it up. May as well support it.

Then why not LOTR/WOTR?

We are only covering games on launch that someone at the teams plays.

None of us currently play LOTR WOTR, so we can't promise that we will have a full understanding of the rules at launch.

It will happen in the future, but I can't promise that it will within spring of this year.

So really instead of this being "Geek Plug" this is really just "GW Plug"

Yeah GW is big. That's one reason to let them do their own damn marketing and explore options that could and should compete with them.

I understand only concentrating on what you enjoy, but if you are asking for crowd funding then you will get more hits by broadening your and others horizons beyond the narrow and constricting walls of GW products.

Just some constructive criticism.

Hellfury wrote:So really instead of this being "Geek Plug" this is really just "GW Plug"

Yeah GW is big. That's one reason to let them do their own damn marketing and explore options that could and should compete with them.

I understand only concentrating on what you enjoy, but if you are asking for crowd funding then you will get more hits by broadening your and others horizons beyond the narrow and constricting walls of GW products.

Just some constructive criticism.

Interesting criticism, Hellfury - out of interest, did you go and look at the list of games on the Kickstarter page?

GeekPlug Kickstarter wrote:Warhammer
Warhammer 40,000
Warmachine
Hordes
Flames of War
Mailfaux
Infinity
Super Dungeon Explorer
Blood Bowl
Dreadfleet
Inquisitor
Necromunda
Mordheim
Battlefleet Gothic
Battletech

If your intention was to claim that this was solely to plug GW products, you're a little bit wide of the mark. Out of the fifteen games listed, seven are non-GW products.

Dysartes wrote:

Hellfury wrote:So really instead of this being "Geek Plug" this is really just "GW Plug"

Yeah GW is big. That's one reason to let them do their own damn marketing and explore options that could and should compete with them.

I understand only concentrating on what you enjoy, but if you are asking for crowd funding then you will get more hits by broadening your and others horizons beyond the narrow and constricting walls of GW products.

Just some constructive criticism.

Interesting criticism, Hellfury - out of interest, did you go and look at the list of games on the Kickstarter page?

GeekPlug Kickstarter wrote:Warhammer
Warhammer 40,000
Warmachine
Hordes
Flames of War
Mailfaux
Infinity
Super Dungeon Explorer
Blood Bowl
Dreadfleet
Inquisitor
Necromunda
Mordheim
Battlefleet Gothic
Battletech

If your intention was to claim that this was solely to plug GW products, you're a little bit wide of the mark. Out of the fifteen games listed, seven are non-GW products.

Yeah I did read the page. But when they are promoting games such as Dreadfleet where it was such a dismal commercial failure that GW took that game out to the pasture and shot it, it makes one wonder why potential backers should fund this project when other great games could very well be promoted instead.

Lots of great games out there. If you were to promote defunct effectively defunct games, there are a myriad to choose from instead of the dreck that GW pound down outr collective throats.

Which is why the remark about not being Geek Plug but GW Plug was made. Which I really have no problem with, but do not pretend to be an all encompassing geek related site when you are just promoting the most popular games that everyone already knows how to play to begin with.

Why do they already know how to play these games? Because of sites such as Dakka which have been in existence for 15+ years.

The service is redundant and frankly unneeded if they are just going to promote the most popular games or even the most unpopular games from a popular game company. Plenty of sites abound that provide this service already which are funded by ads and voluntary memberships.

I wont go so far as to say "shills" but I will go so far as to say that they are missing a wide market by concentrating their efforts in a way that matters little if at all.

The best way for them to be a great service worthy of funding, is to provide a service to games that need promotion. I am not alone in this sentiment which is why so many people have remarked on this point already, in their own way.

nkelsch wrote:Same could be said for you... You have nothing better than to carry other people's water for them?

Ugh, if I had a dollar for every time the tired old "water carrier" line was wheeled out on dakka as a substitute for an actual debate...

Person X: This thing sucks!
Person Y: Well, actually it's not that bad because..
Person X: Person Y, you are just a water-carrying fanboi brown-noser who is probably being paid by the makers of the thing!

^ How to have an "adult" discussion on dakkadakka 101.

I'd like to bring this back to the fore as it will probably get lost in the mass of new posts and i think it is important that you, Emerett, can see what's possible. Never mind the rest of it, this is the core of the matter and i'd quite like to here your reply if you have the time. Thank you.

Casey's Law wrote:Not to labour the topic but i am following and occasionally 'advising' someone who is doing exactly the same thing as this. They have already made 21 informative, fun videos of enjoyable quality with no former knowledge of the process or wargaming. They had £0 startup costs and only an old laptop to work on.

That youtuber hasn't even hinted at funding or asked for help yet and has over 500 subscribers and over 25,000 video views. In not much over a month i believe.

Casey's Law wrote:I'd like to bring this back to the fore as it will probably get lost in the mass of new posts and i think it is important that you, Emerett, can see what's possible. Never mind the rest of it, this is the core of the matter and i'd quite like to here your reply if you have the time. Thank you.

Casey's Law wrote:Not to labour the topic but i am following and occasionally 'advising' someone who is doing exactly the same thing as this. They have already made 21 informative, fun videos of enjoyable quality with no former knowledge of the process or wargaming. They had £0 startup costs and only an old laptop to work on.

That youtuber hasn't even hinted at funding or asked for help yet and has over 500 subscribers and over 25,000 video views. In not much over a month i believe.

I'm happy they're doing well. Without a link, I'll just have to trust you.

I don't see a question there however, so there's not much to answer.


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nkelsch wrote:The raffle aspect is also against the rules of kick starter.

The raffle has nothing to do with the actual Kickstarter. Kickstarter doesn't allow you to sell "tickets" giving you a chance to win something at the end of the project schedule. We are merely offering the raffle to help promote our name and give something away to people supporting us by liking us on Facebook or spreading the word on Twitter. It is completely compartmentalized away from Kickstarter, any layman should be able to see this.


Since a lot of people here seem to be questioning the legitimacy of our project, I will cover a few things.

The Kickstarter approval process is very slow and precise. We spent roughly a week waiting on approval. During this time, two different people from Kickstarter contacted us to discuss what we were doing with GeekPlug and what kind of site it would be. We fall well within their guidelines. Anyone here that seems to think otherwise, feel free to contact Kickstarter, I'm sure they would love to hear your opinion.

If we were doing anything against Kickstarters guidelines, the project wouldn't have launched.

GeekPlug is a project for the community. We are not trying to get rich off of this. The site will be ad free. The podcast will have ads to cover the enormous bandwidth costs that a hour long high definition podcast will have. They will not be intrusive and will be well defined. I feel like this is a fair trade.

Simply put: We live in Montana, every game store here focuses primarly on Magic the Gathering. They all sell Warhammer to some extent, but almost nobody plays. Most of the people we met and talked to said they would play if the games were easier to learn. So we decided to start this project.

People keep saying "Well how will you be different from X" "What will you do different from Y", Emerett has spent a lot of time trying to explain this, but it seems to be going in one ear and out the other for a lot of people in this thread. So I will avoid that topic all together and try to take another approach that more people may be able to grasp.

Competition is good, maybe we will be similar to other sites in some ways, but that will only make both sites better.

Competition inspires innovation and that is exactly what wargaming needs.

So let me get this straight, if I go with, say, the $50 pledge, do I have to supply the HQ model to be painted, or is it included? Cuz if it's included, that's a hell of deal...

arguemaniac wrote:So let me get this straight, if I go with, say, the $50 pledge, do I have to supply the HQ model to be painted, or is it included? Cuz if it's included, that's a hell of deal...

Also, are the models on the kickstarter page indicative of the quality of paintjob we'd get?

arguemaniac wrote:So let me get this straight, if I go with, say, the $50 pledge, do I have to supply the HQ model to be painted, or is it included? Cuz if it's included, that's a hell of deal...

The model will be included within reason some HQ's are around 60 dollars and the pledge is only 50 so those wouldn't be an option. feel free to Pm me with any specific questions about an HQ.

Also, are the models on the kickstarter page indicative of the quality of paintjob we'd get?

Yes all models will be painted to our standards which are the same as the ones sampled on Kickstarter page.

kur0n wrote:People keep saying "Well how will you be different from X" "What will you do different from Y", Emerett has spent a lot of time trying to explain this, but it seems to be going in one ear and out the other for a lot of people in this thread. So I will avoid that topic all together and try to take another approach that more people may be able to grasp.

Competition is good, maybe we will be similar to other sites in some ways, but that will only make both sites better.

Competition inspires innovation and that is exactly what wargaming needs.

This strikes me as a serious disconnect with what this site purports to provide. You are not a business competing with other for profit, but rather part of a larger gamer community. The key "c" word should be collaboration, not competition.

Your statement has made me even more suspicious/dismissive of this whole venture.