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Nasty tricks welcome.

Not looking for a gimmick, but just a lot of little tactical tricks to pull from unexpected directions .

Think of it as a creative exercise. The idea is to have a arsenal of low point cost tricks that could have big impact when opportunity knocks.

A suicide shas o' w/ twin fusion and shield generator. And 15 piranhas

Put as many makerlights as you can on a squad, and then shoot it till you have killed 25% so they have to take a moral check. Then use the makerlights to lower his leadership and watch the unit run!! I have done this to Assault Marines, Terminators, Paladins, and scoring troops to get them to leave the objective on the 5th round

NICE! Who needs railguns....not quite a low point suprise but

A suicide shas o' w/ twin fusion and shield generator. And 15 piranhas

I'd change the Shas'o though

1850pts
155pts HQ Shas'el BC, MP, HWMT, BK, HWDC, STIM INJ, IA, x2 Shield drones, PosR
145pts Troops x6FW with Devilfish DP
145pts Troops x6FW with Devilfish DP
70pts Troops x10 Kroot
445pts Fast x5Piranha x5 FB x5 TA x5 DP x5 FD x4 TL
445pts Fast x5Piranha x5 FB x5 TA x5 DP x5 FD x4 TL
445pts Fast x5Piranha x5 FB x5 TA x5 DP x5 FD x4 TL




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Put as many makerlights as you can on a squad, and then shoot it till you have killed 25% so they have to take a moral check. Then use the makerlights to lower his leadership and watch the unit run!! I have done this to Assault Marines, Terminators, Paladins, and scoring troops to get them to leave the objective on the 5th round

It just lowers it for pinning tests..

Well, it's not exactly low cost... but it is fun and with a little bit of luck it can work wonders.

Step 1: Take Shadowsun.
Step 2 (optional): Take a positional relay so that you can bring in one unit from reserve on a 2+ on turn 2
Step 3: Pathfinder devilfish.

Now you have a pair of BS5 fusion blasters that can deepstrike in on turn two with re-rolls for scatter.
It's not the cheapest way to deal with tanks, and it's not the most powerful trick you can pull, but I personally enjoy it quite a bit. I have used this to kill land raiders, demolishers, vindicators, dreads, landspeeders, predators, broadsides... It's really a lot of fun. And if your opponent doesn't deal with her (this is where the stealth field makes more laughs), then you get to hop around melting tanks .

Well, let's see, aside from being the sstar of the movie "Railguns 2: Hurrail for Railguns," there's the many Markerlight shenanigans you can pull off, such as removing cover saves so a vehicle can't get a save against your railguns, lower Ld to make squads fall back, and focusing fire with extra BS.

Also, want to ruin a Necron players day? Bring Blacksun Filters, Seeker MIssiles, and Smart Missile Systems. Night Fighting doesn't matter when your Broadside unit can see 60" and their other weapon disregards the rule entirely.

This batrep has some tactics:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/433516.page

Use your entire army to rush your opponent and assault. NOBODY will expect that.

Also taking max fire warriors... No one is safe from thr many str 5 hits... Esspecially paladins! But parking lots aren't safe against those pirhannas

azazel the cat wrote:Use your entire army to rush your opponent and assault. NOBODY will expect that.

True that

Well, back when Aun`Shi was still around that was a viable option!

1: Put emp grenades on useless fire warriors, ignore charging dreadnought, kill with emp when it charges you.

2: Take tons of kroot, pepper enemy from all sides with hordes of 20 rapid fire shots and/or assault vehicles with rear armor 10

3: Take two small units of fire warriors in a devilfish, then take 15 piranhas and as many stealth suits with marker lights as you can. Run no railguns.

4: Put down the space pope and another ethereal. Max out battlesuits setup for melee (flamers and fusion) and then max out broadsides. Get space pope killed (walk toward enemy), with other ethereals leadership re-rolls get entire army with str 6 on the charge and perferred enemy.

5: Fly vehicles on top of your wrecked vehicles to make all charging enemies take dangerous tests. Add sensor spines and flechette launchers for more laughs.

6: Use one HQ with a relay and shadowsun, reserve entire army, call in shadowsun first, railguns next, turn 5 show up with whole army. Works best if you go second.

7: Take 9 broadsides with 2 shield drones each. Add ethereal to one for fearless and re-rolls, fear nothing.

8: Take stealth suits with 2+ maker drones and a markerlight, run all the seeker missiles you possibly can. Play tau: airstrike edition

9: Take battlesuit HQ with all the defensive upgrades(iridium, stim, ect) and two bodyguards and 6 shield drones, place in front of army, draw all fire, put failsafe detonator on one suit, get last laugh

10: Make all your firewarriors the crouching kind, shoot under devilfishes with long flight stands.

Use your entire army to rush your opponent and assault. NOBODY will expect that.

Been playing with the idea of giving pathfinders EMP grenades for a first turn alpha strike scout up 12" drop pathfinders, move 6" assault 6" BAM auto hit vehicle. Block the doors of landraider to try to force a emergancy disembark, destroy an entire squad of LR....any way you shake it thier plan against you goes out the window.



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Dheneb wrote:This batrep has some tactics:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/433516.page

I've been following this one

Tun_Tau wrote:

Use your entire army to rush your opponent and assault. NOBODY will expect that.

Been playing with the idea of giving pathfinders EMP grenades for a first turn alpha strike scout up 12" drop pathfinders, move 6" assault 6" BAM auto hit vehicle. Block the doors of landraider to try to force a emergancy disembark, destroy an entire squad of LR....any way you shake it thier plan against you goes out the window.

You have to stay over 12 inches away after scout moving, meaning you can't actually pull that off without fleet.

Just for the hell of it, abuse the fact that people in transports can't fail Morale tests. Make an Apocalypse army with as many Fire Warriors as you can possibly use, deploy them all way back away from the enemy in a Rapid Redeployment Force swarm of Devilfishes, then dump Aun'Va right out in the open. The other guy kills Aun'Va, all your Fire Warriors get Preferred Enemy and Furious Charge, then you use your Strategic Redeployment to rush him with an insane number of suicidally angry Fire Warriors.

Alternate: Manta.

juraigamer wrote:

Tun_Tau wrote:

Use your entire army to rush your opponent and assault. NOBODY will expect that.

Been playing with the idea of giving pathfinders EMP grenades for a first turn alpha strike scout up 12" drop pathfinders, move 6" assault 6" BAM auto hit vehicle. Block the doors of landraider to try to force a emergancy disembark, destroy an entire squad of LR....any way you shake it thier plan against you goes out the window.

You have to stay over 12 inches away after scout moving, meaning you can't actually pull that off without fleet.

Place full 12"+12" scout move+6"move+6" assault =36" threat range instead of 38". Might still pull it off, just a heck of a lot of variables to ever make it "The Plan" but could you imagine their face?

AnomanderRake wrote:Alternate: Manta.

That's always an option. Even if you don't play Tau.

Tun_Tau wrote:

Place full 12"+12" scout move+6"move+6" assault =36" threat range instead of 38". Might still pull it off, just a heck of a lot of variables to ever make it "The Plan" but could you imagine their face?

It's not possible on the first turn. You must remain over 12 inches away, which means unless you can move over 12 inches on your first turn, you cannot assault after getting in close with a scout move. Since tau have no assault transports, the best you could do is outflank with the fish and move in 12, next turn let them out, move 6 assault 6.

juraigamer wrote:

Tun_Tau wrote:

Place full 12"+12" scout move+6"move+6" assault =36" threat range instead of 38". Might still pull it off, just a heck of a lot of variables to ever make it "The Plan" but could you imagine their face?

It's not possible on the first turn. You must remain over 12 inches away, which means unless you can move over 12 inches on your first turn, you cannot assault after getting in close with a scout move. Since tau have no assault transports, the best you could do is outflank with the fish and move in 12, next turn let them out, move 6 assault 6.

Dude you're wrong. You start 12" from your table edge right? Then you move forward 12" as part of your scout move and rotate the devilfish around so the access points are at the 24" line (which puts you 24" from your table edge, I.E. centerfield). In your turn you disembark your models 2" away from the access point. Your pathfinders then move 6" and assault a further 6" in the assault phase. In other words,you have a 38" threat range from your own table edge, meaning that any vehicle placed within 2" of the leading edge of your opponents deployment zone is potentially at risk. The chances of this realistically happening are slim to none however.

You cannot move within 12 inches of any enemy models while doing a scout move. This includes disembarkation. Look up the scout rules if you disagree, it says it right there.

Nothing without a potential movement and assault rage of 13+ inches can assault first turn after scout moves.

You don't disembark during the scout move, you do it during your movement phase, so at the beginning of your movement phase, your transport is 12.1" away from the opponent's vehicle, you disembark 2", move 6", assault 6", for a total of 14", more then enough to make it.

My favorite tactic is to castle up and pop tansports while they come to my castle.

If any transports make it before my lines, Move the Devilfishes 12( and hopefully OVER the enemy transport), drop Fire Warriors, Rapid fire in Read Armor. Now fire every single battlesuit at the freshly de-meched troops.


This is amazingly effective for me, but YMMV.

I fear juraigamer is right after some more thought. Thank you for catching that.
It would land just short of working 1st turn.
How do people feel about blocking exits on transports? Piranha have the range to pull off the block, squadroned could surround it possibly. You could either cause an emergancy disembark pinning the troops inside for a turn or ,if they dont have the room to deploy, fry most if not all the troops inside.


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Iur_tae_mont wrote:My favorite tactic is to castle up and pop tansports while they come to my castle.

If any transports make it before my lines, Move the Devilfishes 12( and hopefully OVER the enemy transport), drop Fire Warriors, Rapid fire in Read Armor. Now fire every single battlesuit at the freshly de-meched troops.


This is amazingly effective for me, but YMMV.

Nice !


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Shivan Reaper wrote:You don't disembark during the scout move, you do it during your movement phase, so at the beginning of your movement phase, your transport is 12.1" away from the opponent's vehicle, you disembark 2", move 6", assault 6", for a total of 14", more then enough to make it.

You can not assault the same turn you disembark from a devilfish:(

Correct me if I am wrong, as I don't have the rule book in front of me and haven't played in ~6 months due to deployment, but shouldn't they still be able to assault as long as the transport hasn't moved in the current player turn before they disembark?

That was my understanding of the rule

Correct me if I am wrong, as I don't have the rule book in front of me and haven't played in ~6 months due to deployment, but shouldn't they still be able to assault as long as the transport hasn't moved in the current player turn before they disembark?

I'll have to look again! I would very much like to see it a viable option

Tun_Tau wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, as I don't have the rule book in front of me and haven't played in ~6 months due to deployment, but shouldn't they still be able to assault as long as the transport hasn't moved in the current player turn before they disembark?

I'll have to look again! I would very much like to see it a viable option

It is, actually. If the Transport has not moved yet in the current turn, the passengers may disembark/shoot/assault as normal. The plan would work.

Provided you didn't deploy your pathfinders, you could gain up to 3 inches of movement. The issue was with deploying the pathfinders in the scout phase, which can be done as the scout phase allows a normal move.

Drop the rear door when you deploy and gain a few more inches
and after you drop them the transport is free to make its own seperate move, cutting the losses that would happen.
Going to have to try this out, possibly today, if opputunity knocks.
Would only work once agaisnt someone, but then your dictating the opponents deployment and can possibly exploit that
Situational, but a nice quick dirty tactic vs. high value targets.

So other ideas or notions?
The more we come up with the better

Not sure if this is a little trick, but get like 3 or 4 Piranha's and surround like I don't know a Land Raider full of termies or something like that, then make sure that the Piranha's are close enough to still be legally far away but also so that the termies cannot get out. Hit it with a railgun and watch the Land Raider and all the termies get destroyed and then look at your opponents face it's pretty priceless