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I jumped into to fantasy around the time Tomb Kings were released for 8th Edition, and played Ogres. I got use to their play style then when their 8th edition book came out I had to relearn Ogres. In all I've been very pleased with the change.

However I have heard a lot of complaining from armies that have gotten the 8th edition makeover. So I wanted to know what everyone thinks is the best 8th edition army book released so far?

Define best.

Do you mean easiest to use?

Most damaging potential?

Its really difficult to tell imo.

Honestly, from what I've seen, the 8th ed books all seem pretty balanced against each other.

I voted ogres, just because.

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:Honestly, from what I've seen, the 8th ed books all seem pretty balanced against each other.

I voted ogres, just because.

+1. I also feel that besides DoC, WoC, Lizardmen, Dark Elves, Skaven, and maybe Dwarves, all the other armies (including the new 8th edition armies ) are very balanced.

What's so bad about LM?

mrfantastical wrote:I got use to their play style then when their 8th edition book came out I had to relearn Ogres. In all I've been very pleased with the change.

How did you have to relearn them?

A few units got added, but other than that they are basically the same army.




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mrfantastical wrote:I also feel that besides DoC, WoC, Lizardmen, Dark Elves, Skaven, and maybe Dwarves, all the other armies (including the new 8th edition armies ) are very balanced.

None of those books have be revised in 8th.

I think he knew that, judging by the "including armies released in 8th"
I think he didn't know that he basically called nearly all of the pre-8th ed armies unbalanced

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I think he knew that, judging by the "including armies released in 8th"
I think he didn't know that he basically called nearly all of the pre-8th ed armies unbalanced

With the exception of two, he's pretty much spot on.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I think he knew that, judging by the "including armies released in 8th"
I think he didn't know that he basically called nearly all of the pre-8th ed armies unbalanced

With the exception of two, he's pretty much spot on.

Never said he was wrong
Though I do agree that LM and Dwarves aren't imbalanced.

DoC, WoC and DE are worse.

LM are not imbalanced? So I guess you like choking on Super Slann and Salamander spam.... Because that is fun


My vote is for Ogres

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I think he knew that, judging by the "including armies released in 8th"
I think he didn't know that he basically called nearly all of the pre-8th ed armies unbalanced

It depends on how you define balance.

Wood Elves are not a particularly balanced army but for some reason they are left out of the list.

marielle wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I think he knew that, judging by the "including armies released in 8th"
I think he didn't know that he basically called nearly all of the pre-8th ed armies unbalanced

It depends on how you define balance.

Wood Elves are not a particularly balanced army but for some reason they are left out of the list.

Wood elves, and Bretonians need a reboot badly, but they can hold their own against most armies except the broken armies I listed previously. Again that's my opinion.

I think if GW can stick to remaking the broken armies first the game will balance out.

Brets do not need a reboot. Leave our book alone!

Johnny-Crass wrote:Brets do not need a reboot. Leave our book alone!

That's funny.

A lot of people around my Meta are terrified of getting an 8th edition make-over.

Our magic items list is brilliant and we will loose way to much stuff if we go 8th

Ogres!

Im going to go with Tomb Kings, since I find it to be the army I enjoyed playing the most. And because their monsterous cavalry looks bloody amazing

Got to go with VC. They fixed so much that was wrong with the previous book in 8th edition.

People take more than Ghouls as core now. Heck, some people even pay points for zombies now! It's worth taking a combat vampire lord due to it not being game over if your general dies. Variety was increased across the board, with internal balance being pretty good.

I'm a huge fan of their new magic phase though. I never liked the idea of spamming skills, even if it did make their magic phase a little more unique. The new method of having targetted buffs that can be powered up into bubble effects is a great idea.

Great topic, honestly probably go with the majority and say ogres, the addition of Mourfang and Ironblasters was huge as was cheap redirectors in the Sabretusks, their magic became a lot better too, lets not forget the stupid restrictions were dropped such as Only a Tyrant or Bruiser can be your general and the whole gotta have a unit of gnoblar per scraplauncher and unit of bulls per unit of gnoblar. Leadbelchers went from crap to quite good. Tomb Kings however went from garbage to pretty solid, the addition of knights, sphinx and titan alone has really helped them out and diversified their competitive lists. However I think you forgot one army, Beastmen, they came out in late 7th but were obviously built with 8th edition in mind, BSB rerolls and primal fury being Ld based means at Ld10 they fail less then 5% of the time, with big block of infantry you really can't beat their hordes of Bestigor and Gor toe-to-toe and point-for-point with almost guaranteed hatred, buffs that are easier to get off in lore of beasts, power dice generation from the Herdstone, cheap chaff in raiders and good chaff in razorgor and harpies, Beastmen are very strong and constantly over looked.

mrfantastical wrote:

marielle wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I think he knew that, judging by the "including armies released in 8th"
I think he didn't know that he basically called nearly all of the pre-8th ed armies unbalanced

It depends on how you define balance.

Wood Elves are not a particularly balanced army but for some reason they are left out of the list.

Wood elves, and Bretonians need a reboot badly, but they can hold their own against most armies except the broken armies I listed previously. Again that's my opinion.

I think if GW can stick to remaking the broken armies first the game will balance out.

Ah I see, you aren't talking about balance, you are talking about 'competativeness'... gotcha....

I think VC is the best armybook, from flat out writing to variety of units, from fixing old problems to providing new possibilities, from updating bloodline powers in meaningful ways to giving a selection of limited yet useful magic items. Mostly, because it ends up with not only strong armies but a variety of builds. With VC GW finally got the hardback 8th edition armybook right.

The ogre book is solid, but I feel like the strength of ogre armies is much more due to 8th edition changes to Monstrous Infantry (and other armies losing multi-wound weapons, etc) and the inclusion of a very few new units in the armybook than anything else. You can actually see the relative weakness of the 8th edition book itself when you look at ogre armies and they all, for the most part, look disappointingly similar.

(Lack of variety in army builds is perhaps the best marker of how bad the DoC & WoC books are, by the by.)

- Salvage

I remember the last edition of Orcs and Goblins... That still haunts me. Animosity happening all the time and almost every single unit was overpriced.

With that said, I think the 8th edition did a great job with Orcs and Goblins.

NEW 8th armies I think goes like this:

Ogres
[small gap]
OnG / VC / Empire
[small gap]
TK

Of the other armies that exist, I think the big stand-out is WoC who are on top of Ogres. They just simply have access to everything.

The other armies often have one-tricks that can put them over other armies like Teclis. But I don't consider that the definition of the entire army.

Tomb Kings are very fun and I think they are really balanced.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I think he knew that, judging by the "including armies released in 8th"
I think he didn't know that he basically called nearly all of the pre-8th ed armies unbalanced

With the exception of two, he's pretty much spot on.

Never said he was wrong
Though I do agree that LM and Dwarves aren't imbalanced.

he meant LM and Dwarfs are imbalanced. Whether he meant competitiveness or unit variety/options or whatever, I greatly disagree w/ Dwarfs...

As for the poll, I voted VC as "best".

Johnny-Crass wrote:LM are not imbalanced? So I guess you like choking on Super Slann and Salamander spam.... Because that is fun

As an LM player i can tell ya that sallamanders are imballanced, like vendetta imbalanced (i play IG too), but i do not agree for the hipnotoad, if a model costs one quarter of your army points you damn better believe he's gonna be powerfull.

He is imbalanced when going against a army that needs its magic phase and he is making me chuck my 6's. My hatred for the cold blooded boys in the south is never ending

That power does have a max range you know.
No offence to you'r skill but many of my opponents seem quite capable of working around that regularly he is only M4 after all.

It has a range of 24" right? And I run Lore Of Death and Beasts so magic is fairly in your grill for me

Oh i'm sorry, a death mage user complaining about not being able to IF cuz that is so much fun for EVERYONE.