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so... who is the deadlist 40k character, excluding special characters? my local group just finished a day of gaming where we each brought a HQ choice model, 225 pt maximum and fought it out in a gladiator style match. every character fought everyone else once, followed by a single elmination playoff. there was also no duplicates allowed, either in name or more then 2 pieces of wargear. (so 2 characters with 1 identical wargear is fine, not 2) everyone rolled off for a 'draft order' then selected a character from any codex. also, single model entries only. so no CCS for gaurd, retinues, drones, etc.

im wondering what the dakka community would bring to said. i wont spoil who won, but ill post the entrants in the above poll... ill also add more if people post their own entrants.


edit: added the black templar marshal

edit: added a tau shas'o with plasma, shield gen, multi track and missile pods.

hive tyrant or avatar,

the monstrous creature aspect woudl be pretty awesome since no named means nobody will have eternal warrior, so monstrous creature or something with at least toughness 6 probably wins..

though warboss on a bike or other fast moving vehicle might be able to dakka one down.

assuming nobody takes a monstrous creature though my money would be on the warboss toughness 5 (6) WS 5 and 5 powerklaw attacks on the charge

Daemon Price, because warptime is awesomsauce

Not listed, but Black Templar Marshal in Artificier Armour with a Storm Shield, a Thunder Hammer and an Adamantine Mantle would smash face pretty damn well. Only ID-able by people with Force Weapons as well.

Aside from choices that move fast I would look at a Tau Shas'o. Being able to run away while still putting out decent str and ap shots. Combine with decent armor and the ability to bring drones as extra wounds/saves/shooting and you have a very efficient if quirky choice for this scenario.

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Daemon Prince with warptime(nurgle?)

Archon with Shadowfield, Huskblade, ghostplate, and Combat Drugs(he is gonna strike first, on 3s, and ID anything he wounds)


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Exergy wrote:
Archon with Shadowfield, Huskblade, ghostplate, and Combat Drugs(he is gonna strike first, on 3s, and ID anything he wounds)

give him a djin blade and a blast pistol as well to give him some chance against things with EW.


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OOOO what about a Primus Psyker?

I mean at least he has a force weapon right?

I'd take a guard CCS here.

CCS - power fist, meltabombs, plasma pistol, 4x plasma guns, bodyguard, carapace armor, camo cloaks.

With an 18" threat range, they can throw down 9 twin-linked BS4 plasma shots, which will eat pretty much anything in that list for breakfast, and if it survives into close combat, there are enough abblative wounds for at least one round of power fisting, which will probably finish off whatever wasn't completely wrecked by all that plasma.

Then on top, of course, things come with a 3+ cover save whenever they have cover, and 8 wounds with a 4+ (one of which also has an invul save) makes it rather survivable actually, especially since it can also engage things out to 24".

Would a CCS really count as a character?

I like the Wolf Lord Eternal warrior and the weapon choice to use either a powerfist or Frostweapon is nice. However it can get shot to peices easily enough by say the Hive Tyrant, so I'd say the Tyrants my favourite for the win.

The Wolf Lord seems to be more than 200 points. A storm shield, thunder hammer and saga of the bear would be 195 points. At that point he's basically the same as the Templar Grand Master though.


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Off the top of my head the listed Wolf Lord is 225 points. I would downgrade my thunder hammer to a power fist so I could squeeze on a wolf tooth necklace to bring it to a nice round 200 points.

captainliger wrote:Would a CCS really count as a character?

I guess it would depend on the specific rules.

If it has to be just a single model that is also an HQ that is also not a special character, then it excludes the imperial guard altogether. The most you can spend for guard in this way is roughly 100 points, half of what the maximum limit is. Likewise, any army that's not in power armor doesn't really stand a chance, as the only way you can get close is to just apply a fat wad of bloat.

If this is the case, then it's just another space marine circle... bible reading session...

I belive a Tau ethereal should be on the list since it can make an entire army run off the table.

single model characters. so no gaurd CCS, (but the commander solo is fine) and no drones for tau suits.

i think i erred on the pt. it should be 225 not 200. didnt realize that will fix in first post.

the matches were also 1v1 on a 24"x24" square. it also had a 4 turn max, to prevent "kiting or avoiding"

kambien wrote:I belive a Tau ethereal should be on the list since it can make an entire army run off the table.

Is this the same as the argument for Peyton Manning getting the MVP last year because I how bad the Colts were without him?

The question was deadliest, not most likely to screw over your own army!

Can I say the ctans before they were broken into shards?

Overlord The Teachon Arrow would put it at least 1 wound up, unless it had very bad luck, strait away and than even if it loses it can get back up because of re- animation protocols


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Ailaros wrote:

captainliger wrote:Would a CCS really count as a character?

I guess it would depend on the specific rules.

If it has to be just a single model that is also an HQ that is also not a special character, then it excludes the imperial guard altogether. The most you can spend for guard in this way is roughly 100 points, half of what the maximum limit is. Likewise, any army that's not in power armor doesn't really stand a chance, as the only way you can get close is to just apply a fat wad of bloat.

If this is the case, then it's just another space marine circle... bible reading session...

Not only Space Marines have 3+ armour As the Overlord if you new much about necrons has 2+ and his animation save plus invun

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kambien wrote:I belive a Tau ethereal should be on the list since it can make an entire army run off the table.

Is this the same as the argument for Peyton Manning getting the MVP last year because I how bad the Colts were without him?

The question was deadliest, not most likely to screw over your own army!

They are deadly...
Just to their own army.

the tournament actually went pretty interesting. the hive tyrant and avatar ended up facing off, with the tyrant winning, then loosing to the space marine master with his storm shield and powerfist. (that 3+ invun just rocked) that marine master fought the warboss, and lost, (bad dice rolling on the marine end - he couldnt score a hit, and failed 2 of the 4 wounds put on him by the orc) the archon ended up tearing through the wolf lord, the daemon prince and grey knight to get to the finals vrs the warboss.. with the archon winning. his 2++ just kicked butt, and his agonizer and high init proved a very powerful alpha strike. his blast pistol also melted the lightning claw marine, the jump pack captain, and the chaos lord before even getting to the CC section.

that said, im thinking of doing a series of polls for dakka to decide the actual winner in a vote off. ill be making a new thread for that one.

captainliger wrote:Would a CCS really count as a character?

I like the Wolf Lord Eternal warrior and the weapon choice to use either a powerfist or Frostweapon is nice. However it can get shot to peices easily enough by say the Hive Tyrant, so I'd say the Tyrants my favourite for the win.

Don't forget the achilles heel of all nids, no invulnerable save. He can be killed by heavy weapons pretty easily: most major heavies are AP2 and that is the maximum save he can get with no invulnerable back-up. Without his tyrant guard he will struggle against the power of those opponents who can use power weapons on him. Mind you since he is a monstrous creature he can insta-kill many of the listed characters so it might even out.

Ailaros wrote:I'd take a guard CCS here.

CCS - power fist, meltabombs, plasma pistol, 4x plasma guns, bodyguard, carapace armor, camo cloaks.

With an 18" threat range, they can throw down 9 twin-linked BS4 plasma shots, which will eat pretty much anything in that list for breakfast, and if it survives into close combat, there are enough abblative wounds for at least one round of power fisting, which will probably finish off whatever wasn't completely wrecked by all that plasma.

Then on top, of course, things come with a 3+ cover save whenever they have cover, and 8 wounds with a 4+ (one of which also has an invul save) makes it rather survivable actually, especially since it can also engage things out to 24".

I. Laughed. So. Hard... The Schooma and Iho smoke squirted out my nose...

A Kroot Master Shaper w/ Kroot Council w/ the wings adaptation gets my vote.

That Wolf lord you built is a Piece of fething gak!

Here is how you build a REAL Wolflord U slow.

Wolf lord does NOT have two CC weapons and a Belt of russ.

He has a Stooooorm Shiieeellld?

Maybe you have heard of it? NO? Obviously not!

So he has a Thunder hammer or Power First or Chain First.. Either one does not matter. With a Storm Shield. Than you give him Runic Armor a Thunderwolf mount, Both Wolf Items, The Necklace and the amulet. Saga of the bear and Melta bombs and I don't beleive I am forgetting anything but that is what a real wolflord is like.

That is the most powerful character in the game and I have proven it to be so because its killed mephiston,Dante,Ghazskull, Demonlords, Ten man squads of Berserkers by himself in CC.

kambien wrote:I belive a Tau ethereal should be on the list since it can make an entire army run off the table.

lol. first the ethereal ....if he makes it past 1st round will be too hilarious, but hey... gotta give everyone a shot eh?

as for the wolf lord, not my build. it was a players entry to the competetion.

this is not about "optimal builds" its instead about wich of the builds listed is the most "bad ass".

An Imperial Guardsmen,

You can't kill one gotta get em all!!!

Just like Pokemon!


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All, seriousness though.

In fluff I believe Lucius to be on of the toughest guys to kill, since all he has to do is fight someone that will enjoy it, and bamn!

Warboss with Power Klaw and extra gibbins.

Kharn the Betrayer! Failing that (automatically) I want the BT to win... even though he probably wont lol

Swarmlord

Vasarto wrote:That Wolf lord you built is a Piece of fething gak!

Here is how you build a REAL Wolflord U slow.

Wolf lord does NOT have two CC weapons and a Belt of russ.

He has a Stooooorm Shiieeellld?

Maybe you have heard of it? NO? Obviously not!

So he has a Thunder hammer or Power First or Chain First.. Either one does not matter. With a Storm Shield. Than you give him Runic Armor a Thunderwolf mount, Both Wolf Items, The Necklace and the amulet. Saga of the bear and Melta bombs and I don't beleive I am forgetting anything but that is what a real wolflord is like.

That is the most powerful character in the game and I have proven it to be so because its killed mephiston,Dante,Ghazskull, Demonlords, Ten man squads of Berserkers by himself in CC.

Kharn would beat down his ass.

No named characters. Anyway, An'ggrath the unbound would grind Kharn (and pretty much everything else) to a bloody pulp. Of course, since he's 888 points, that's not surprising.

DarthSpader wrote:the tournament actually went pretty interesting. the hive tyrant and avatar ended up facing off, with the tyrant winning, then loosing to the space marine master with his storm shield and powerfist. (that 3+ invun just rocked) that marine master fought the warboss, and lost, (bad dice rolling on the marine end - he couldnt score a hit, and failed 2 of the 4 wounds put on him by the orc) the archon ended up tearing through the wolf lord, the daemon prince and grey knight to get to the finals vrs the warboss.. with the archon winning. his 2++ just kicked butt, and his agonizer and high init proved a very powerful alpha strike. his blast pistol also melted the lightning claw marine, the jump pack captain, and the chaos lord before even getting to the CC section.

that said, im thinking of doing a series of polls for dakka to decide the actual winner in a vote off. ill be making a new thread for that one.

I thought you said everyone fought everyone else once?

Brother Captain, but swap the Hammer with a Warding Stave for ultimate trolling.