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2012/05/01 19:32:40
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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if ST.C is turned into a squig and then dies would she come back?
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/01 19:43:33
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Depends on her wording for comming back.
As such, she has not died, she has just been transformed.
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2012/05/01 19:43:37
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Calm Celestian
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I would say no, cause the squig replaces her rules and stats.
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2012/05/01 19:56:30
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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squighood the bane of Ever-living and ST.C
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/01 19:57:39
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Calm Celestian
Windsor Ontario Canada
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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:squighood the bane of Ever-living and ST.C
Don't forget Thawn and Commissar Yarrick.
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2012/05/01 20:01:43
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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Only ever-living is ignored by model replacement, via the Necron FAQ. St. Celestine has no such FAQ.
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2012/05/01 20:06:09
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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...Read Zogwarts curse.
You become a squig, with no Wargear or Special abilities.
Miraculous intervention, Ever-living, iron will, thrawns thing fall in that catagory. i was unsure but after re-reading it several times i came to that conclusion.
when the squig dies it has no abiilty to place a counter to come back from, or stand back up or take things with you
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/01 20:08:25
Subject: Re:ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Repentia Mistress
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I think Squigging and Chaos Spawning fall under the umbrella of things that "remove models from play". So Celestine is removed from play, and a squig is put in her place, but she can then come back.
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2012/05/01 20:09:50
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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What is St.Celestine's wording.
Doesnt it say that if St. Celestine is removed from play place a marker etc.?
If so, once she is removed and replaced with a sqiug you place the marker and roll for her to come back.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
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2012/05/01 20:10:09
Subject: Re:ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Calm Celestian
Windsor Ontario Canada
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Amerikon wrote:I think Squigging and Chaos Spawning fall under the umbrella of things that "remove models from play". So Celestine is removed from play, and a squig is put in her place, but she can then come back.
Chaos Spawn removes you from play and then the chaos player can field a chaos spawn under the chaos player control (meaning the chaos player gets a kill point).
Squig simply replaces/changes a character with squig (meaning the ork doesn't get a kill point).
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2012/05/01 20:16:04
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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DeathReaper wrote:What is St.Celestine's wording.
Doesnt it say that if St. Celestine is removed from play place a marker etc.?
If so, once she is removed and replaced with a sqiug you place the marker and roll for her to come back.
Removed as a casualty but the faq say
Q: Can Saint Celestine use her Miraculous Intervention
special rule against attacks that remove models from
play? (White Dwarf, August 2011, Page 103)
A: Yes.
The catch is Zogwarts curse's wording, it says Replace, at no time are you a causality or being removed from play. (unless you die of course)
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/01 20:59:20
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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As long as you are removing Saint Celestine from play, even if you are replacing her with a different model, you place a marker and she rolls to come back.
This is because you remove her from the table, and that is removing her from play.
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I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
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2012/05/01 21:19:59
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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Disagree at no is ST.C being removed from play. she is being turned in to a squig.
Replaced=/=Removed
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/01 21:29:24
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Hey look, it is this thread again.
DeathReaper is correct.
The model is removed from play and replaced with a squig. Is St Celestine on the board? No, she must have been removed from play. 
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2012/05/01 21:31:54
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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So pretre, if St C embarks a vehicle she is no longer "on the board" However, she has not been removed from play.
St Celestine's ability (originally) worked when she was killed, aka RFPaaC. The FAQ, changed it to allow it to work with abilities that RFP. As turning into a squig is neither RFP or RFPaaC, she would not get to come back.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2012/05/01 21:34:55
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Happyjew wrote:So pretre, if St C embarks a vehicle she is no longer "on the board" However, she has not been removed from play.
St Celestine's ability (originally) worked when she was killed, aka RFPaaC. The FAQ, changed it to allow it to work with abilities that RFP. As turning into a squig is neither RFP or RFPaaC, she would not get to come back.
She can't embark on a vehicle.
I will concede that it is unclear what happens to the actual IC model when Zogwort curses them. I was mostly being silly because this thread comes up a lot (hence the winky smiley). Personally, I would let my opponent play it however they wanted, but beleive that she comes back. Not that you see Zoggy too often.
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2012/05/01 21:57:33
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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pretre wrote:Hey look, it is this thread again.
DeathReaper is correct.
The model is removed from play and replaced with a squig. Is St Celestine on the board? No, she must have been removed from play.
So you would have a Squig and St.c? i disagree.
if i did this 5 turns in a row and killed 5 squigs i would get 5 KP.
does not seem logical or viable to say she comes back.
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/01 21:59:14
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Calm Celestian
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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:pretre wrote:Hey look, it is this thread again.
DeathReaper is correct.
The model is removed from play and replaced with a squig. Is St Celestine on the board? No, she must have been removed from play.
So you would have a Squig and St.c? i disagree.
if i did this 5 turns in a row and killed 5 squigs i would get 5 KP.
does not seem logical or viable to say she comes back.
Well Saint Celestine can do that to chaos spawns.
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2012/05/01 22:10:04
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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yes but Boon of Mut, and Gift of Chaos both say remove the model and then it is replaced.
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/01 22:11:06
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Repentia Mistress
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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:if i did this 5 turns in a row and killed 5 squigs i would get 5 KP.
does not seem logical or viable to say she comes back.
What part of "Miraculous" don't you understand?
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2012/05/01 22:13:07
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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The way i see it, you replace the model with a squig that has no wargear or special rules.
Replacing (transforming) a model is far from removing it from play.
I would say she loses the ability to come back.
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2012/05/01 23:49:35
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Amerikon wrote:What part of "Miraculous" don't you understand?
And win!
Again, Zogwort's rule is unclear, therefore the interaction is going to be unclear. Decide with your opponent.
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2012/05/02 00:09:19
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Heroic Senior Officer
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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:Disagree at no is ST.C being removed from play. she is being turned in to a squig.
Replaced=/=Removed
So you're saying the St Celestine model is still on the table with the squig? Cause otherwise, if she is removed for whatever reason, she rolls to come back. Doesn't matter that you put down a squig. You still removed the Celestine model.
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2012/05/02 00:17:44
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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No, you get to roll is she is Removed from Play or killed (Removed from Play as a Casualty). Does Zogworts curse say the model is Removed from Play or killed?
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2012/05/02 01:19:02
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Happyjew wrote:No, you get to roll is she is Removed from Play or killed (Removed from Play as a Casualty). Does Zogworts curse say the model is Removed from Play or killed?
Not sure what zogwarts says, but if she is not on the table, and a squigg is, she has been removed from play.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/05/02 01:26:47
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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It doesn't deal wounds, so she obviously not killed, and it does not say that she is removed from play. She simply turns into a Squig. As she does not meet the prerequisites for MI, she cannot come back.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/05/02 03:30:02
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Happyjew wrote:It doesn't deal wounds, so she obviously not killed, and it does not say that she is removed from play. She simply turns into a Squig. As she does not meet the prerequisites for MI, she cannot come back.
Except that her being removed from play, as her model and special rules are not in play anymore, triggers her rule, and you place a marker.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/05/02 03:39:49
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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DeathReaper is correct.
It sucks for the Ork player (kind of) and kind of for the Sister Player too, since you will get KPs off the squigs.
/shrug. But thems the lumps. One Special Character can out do your special characters special. I feel so *awful* for you! /sarcasm
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 warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
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2012/05/02 03:58:37
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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With zogworts curse the model is not killed or removed from play. Its statline special rules and wargear change. That is not being removed from play, it is being altered.
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2012/05/02 04:00:37
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Grimgar314 wrote:With zogworts curse the model is not killed or removed from play. Its statline special rules and wargear change. That is not being removed from play, it is being altered.
Really? Is St. Celestine still in play after the Squiging? Or is she removed and replaced with a squig? If its the later you place a marker.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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