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While how the Imperium of Man views the Tyranids is very well known, what with them rating them at the same level as Chaos if not higher in terms of overall threat to the Imperium, as well as considering them perhaps the most abhorrent xenos of them all. We generally don't get much on how the other factions interact with and view them. So I've started devouring pretty much any fluff that concerns the Tyranids and any non-imperial faction and really began to ponder the question. But of course, speculating by oneself is not terribly fun so I've decided to go and ask other fluff experts.

What I generally want to know.

Chaos in general seems slow to realize the full scale of the Tyranids and as a result have suffered horrendous defeats such as on Forgefane and Sybari. While Chaos is perhaps the faction with the least unified outlook on things, I'm curious as to why the forces of Chaos typically seem to undergo a process of "Get caught by surprise by Tyranid Hive Fleet entering system, underestimate them at every turn, then get slaughtered horribly" when concerning the Hive Fleets.

Other than relying on the fact that one a ship per ship basis, Necron starships are without compare in the galaxy, and outnumbering the Tyranid fleet, what tactics did the Necrons likely use in their crushing of a significant portion of Hive Fleet Gorgon at Kau'Mais? And generally speaking, how do the Necrons counter the Tyranids despoiling their old haunts?

What is the general ork viewpoint on the Tyranids? We know what they think about humans, with several quotes dedicated to most varieties of them, we know that the Orks have an extravagantly low opinion of the Eldar ("Aww it's just da Eldar...yoo can send 'alf da boyz 'ome..." ), they seem to regard the Tau far more for their guns than any combat ability, and think that the Necrons offer some great fighting, but what about the Tyranids? And do the Orks devote any special methods to fighting the "gribbliez" like they do with humans?

As for the Eldar, how does the Shadow of the Warp appear on the Skein that Farseers use? Do the Eldar have a special rune for their farseers and warlocks to deal with it? Do they hold any specific opinions about the Tyranids? And generally speaking, what kind of plans do the Seers and Autarchs craft to bring down Tyranid swarms or defend against them?

On the subject of the Tau; going by the blurb about Leviathan it seems that several tendrils of Leviathan, Kraken, et al are already making way for the Tau Empire if they're creating new weapons, tactics, and technologies to specifically combat them. Does this mean that the Tau are now fully aware of the scale of the Tyranid threat? And since the Tau seem like they are fond of tailoring their kill cadres for specific kinds of threats, how would a Shas'O outfit a cadre for the purpose of nid killing? And lastly; how can they (or how would they) detect and deal with genestealer cults?

I'm also perfectly up for more general discussion of how the Tyranids and non-imperial factions interact as well as dealing with other questions on the subject I haven't asked. While I have my own ideas and opinions on most of those questions I'd feel a lot better about them if I've run them through a healthy amount of debating.

I beleive orks actually like fighting the nids as they put up a good fight and know how to fight good and proppa
where as the tau see them as the most horrible threat and creatues in the galaxy, as they are trying to unite and be friends with the races/ factions of the galaxy the tyranids are eatting them all, it got to the point where they deicede to allie with the dark eldar giving the heamoculus (sp? ) like 777 fire warriors or something.
eldar hate them as the nids have a way and abilty to kill / combat ever part of an eldar, a hive fleet even made a speical creature just to deal with the eldar, the doom, who stucks out your soul, which given eldar are meant to be immortal they tend to hate it.

it got to the point where they deicede to allie with the dark eldar giving the heamoculus (sp? ) like 777 fire warriors or something.

What.

In the dark eldar codex there is a story of the tau giving Urien Rakarth tau as a trade for their help against nids. They later realsied that the grotesques used so effectively against the nids were the tau given to the dark eldar, just before the dark eldar then turned on the tau!

Eiríkr wrote:

it got to the point where they deicede to allie with the dark eldar giving the heamoculus (sp? ) like 777 fire warriors or something.

What.

sorry was 77 and it was of each castes (codex dark eldar pg 18 first and second paragraph in the path of damnation bit )

Kain wrote:

What I generally want to know.

1.

Chaos in general seems slow to realize the full scale of the Tyranids and as a result have suffered horrendous defeats such as on Forgefane and Sybari. While Chaos is perhaps the faction with the least unified outlook on things, I'm curious as to why the forces of Chaos typically seem to undergo a process of "Get caught by surprise by Tyranid Hive Fleet entering system, underestimate them at every turn, then get slaughtered horribly" when concerning the Hive Fleets.

Chaos is left to the sidelines in 5th ed fluff, maybe they fare better if they get their own fluff in chaosy publications?

2.

Other than relying on the fact that one a ship per ship basis, Necron starships are without compare in the galaxy, and outnumbering the Tyranid fleet, what tactics did the Necrons likely use in their crushing of a significant portion of Hive Fleet Gorgon at Kau'Mais? And generally speaking, how do the Necrons counter the Tyranids despoiling their old haunts?

The Necrons have the main advantage of denial, denial of reinforcing that is. Gauss tech mostly erases the biomass the nids would like to recycle and thus Nids cannot throw ressources at the Necrons as they may against others. Basically the Necrons are the counter to them, tech vs bio, its only a question how many Necrons are awake and unified.

3.

What is the general ork viewpoint on the Tyranids? We know what they think about humans, with several quotes dedicated to most varieties of them, we know that the Orks have an extravagantly low opinion of the Eldar ("Aww it's just da Eldar...yoo can send 'alf da boyz 'ome..." ), they seem to regard the Tau far more for their guns than any combat ability, and think that the Necrons offer some great fighting, but what about the Tyranids? And do the Orks devote any special methods to fighting the "gribbliez" like they do with humans?

Orks and special methods? Is there more than 1 ?


4.

As for the Eldar, how does the Shadow of the Warp appear on the Skein that Farseers use? Do the Eldar have a special rune for their farseers and warlocks to deal with it? Do they hold any specific opinions about the Tyranids? And generally speaking, what kind of plans do the Seers and Autarchs craft to bring down Tyranid swarms or defend against them?

Speed and denial of ressources.

On the subject of the Tau; going by the blurb about Leviathan it seems that several tendrils of Leviathan, Kraken, et al are already making way for the Tau Empire if they're creating new weapons, tactics, and technologies to specifically combat them. Does this mean that the Tau are now fully aware of the scale of the Tyranid threat? And since the Tau seem like they are fond of tailoring their kill cadres for specific kinds of threats, how would a Shas'O outfit a cadre for the purpose of nid killing? And lastly; how can they (or how would they) detect and deal with genestealer cults?

Tau had their 'nid-experience' wit hive fleet gorgon. The fluff about hivefleet naga stated they wouldn't have had a chance if it hit them and thanks to Eldar it never reached them. Whatever it is, Tau seem to have someone to join in and fight the nids so we don't know how they do alone.

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I'm also perfectly up for more general discussion of how the Tyranids and non-imperial factions interact as well as dealing with other questions on the subject I haven't asked. While I have my own ideas and opinions on most of those questions I'd feel a lot better about them if I've run them through a healthy amount of debating.

I'd consider hivefleet naga and the blurb of 12 destroyed little xeno empires. I'd also think about the ulumeathi league and the fact the inquisition seemed to own artifacts of ulumeathi origin.

IMO, the nids treat every living being as biomass to collect and process. The biomass however is a lot greater than just the major players of the galaxy we know. Plus the creatures of the warp may want to keep their playgrounds.

if the chaos gods wanted to they would direct the primarchs and all the legions to wipe the nids out, simply put, tyranids are no threat to chaos, now if the chaos gods continue to just plod around and let the nids eat the universe piece meal... then they lose by a thousand cuts

Formosa wrote:if the chaos gods wanted to they would direct the primarchs and all the legions to wipe the nids out, simply put, tyranids are no threat to chaos, now if the chaos gods continue to just plod around and let the nids eat the universe piece meal... then they lose by a thousand cuts

Even assuming they could wipe out leviathan, which in of itself according to a map of it's assault on the galaxy is shown to be a significant fraction of the galaxy's width; so given that the mortal servants of Chaos number significantly less than the Imperium who are already having a hell of a time trying to stop Leviathan; this would be unlikely; the severely depleted Chaos Space marines and traitor guard who would be lucky to get away with less than 90% casualties, would be promptly swept away by the next hive fleet or anyone else who wanted them dead really.

There's a reason why most of the mortal servants of Chaos hide on daemon worlds and permanent warp rifts, their lack of numbers means they'd be crushed like ants by the much larger Imperium. And 100 grey knight terminators could beat Angron and 12 bloodthirsters, albeit after a very hard fight, and it is worth noting that Angron is probably the best remaining Primarch in physical combat (Both Sanguinus and Horus, who were capable of matching him, are now dead), I'm pretty sure 100 Hive Tyrants would rip him to shreds. And thus, any other Daemon Primarch really.

Kain wrote:

Formosa wrote:if the chaos gods wanted to they would direct the primarchs and all the legions to wipe the nids out, simply put, tyranids are no threat to chaos, now if the chaos gods continue to just plod around and let the nids eat the universe piece meal... then they lose by a thousand cuts

Even assuming they could wipe out leviathan, which in of itself according to a map of it's assault on the galaxy is shown to be a significant fraction of the galaxy's width; so given that the mortal servants of Chaos number significantly less than the Imperium who are already having a hell of a time trying to stop Leviathan; this would be unlikely; the severely depleted Chaos Space marines and traitor guard who would be lucky to get away with less than 90% casualties, would be promptly swept away by the next hive fleet or anyone else who wanted them dead really.

There's a reason why most of the mortal servants of Chaos hide on daemon worlds and permanent warp rifts, their lack of numbers means they'd be crushed like ants by the much larger Imperium. And 100 grey knight terminators could beat Angron and 12 bloodthirsters, albeit after a very hard fight, and it is worth noting that Angron is probably the best remaining Primarch in physical combat (Both Sanguinus and Horus, who were capable of matching him, are now dead), I'm pretty sure 100 Hive Tyrants would rip him to shreds. And thus, any other Daemon Primarch really.

To be fair, there aren't many things in the 40k universe that could beat 100 tyrants other than the chaos gods and maybe the emperor, but even they would be fighting an uphill struggle.

The Chaos gods are incapable of entering the materium without expending so much of their energy that they'd become easy prey for the other three. I wouldn't count out the Eldar Gods if most of them weren't you know...dead or broken. And a fully formed C'Tan might do the trick, or one Imperator Titan/Abominus Titan/Mega-Gargant/Medusa V Tomb Stalker.

Kain wrote:or one Imperator Titan

They tried that on Macragge. It was destroyed.

Chowderhead wrote:

Kain wrote:or one Imperator Titan

They tried that on Macragge. It was destroyed.

Wasn't it destroyed by a Bio-Titan, not hive tyrants

Hornifex wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

Kain wrote:or one Imperator Titan

They tried that on Macragge. It was destroyed.

Wasn't it destroyed by a Bio-Titan, not hive tyrants

Multiple Bio-titans, while the Dominatrice and Hydraphant are smaller than an Imperator, the Tyranids have a lot more Dominatrices and Hydraphants to throw at a problem than the Imperium has Imperators and definitely more than Chaos has Abomini.

The IoM is already having a hard time with the nids, but if the nid codex is correct, these fleets are only a fraction of what is coming. If this is true it could mean the end of this galaxy, cause I can't see anything combating that.

oldone wrote:

Eiríkr wrote:

it got to the point where they deicede to allie with the dark eldar giving the heamoculus (sp? ) like 777 fire warriors or something.

What.

sorry was 77 and it was of each castes (codex dark eldar pg 18 first and second paragraph in the path of damnation bit )

Also the Dark Eldar did not actually tell the Tau why they need "laision" officers

Kain wrote:

Formosa wrote:if the chaos gods wanted to they would direct the primarchs and all the legions to wipe the nids out, simply put, tyranids are no threat to chaos, now if the chaos gods continue to just plod around and let the nids eat the universe piece meal... then they lose by a thousand cuts

Even assuming they could wipe out leviathan, which in of itself according to a map of it's assault on the galaxy is shown to be a significant fraction of the galaxy's width; so given that the mortal servants of Chaos number significantly less than the Imperium who are already having a hell of a time trying to stop Leviathan; this would be unlikely; the severely depleted Chaos Space marines and traitor guard who would be lucky to get away with less than 90% casualties, would be promptly swept away by the next hive fleet or anyone else who wanted them dead really.

There's a reason why most of the mortal servants of Chaos hide on daemon worlds and permanent warp rifts, their lack of numbers means they'd be crushed like ants by the much larger Imperium. And 100 grey knight terminators could beat Angron and 12 bloodthirsters, albeit after a very hard fight, and it is worth noting that Angron is probably the best remaining Primarch in physical combat (Both Sanguinus and Horus, who were capable of matching him, are now dead), I'm pretty sure 100 Hive Tyrants would rip him to shreds. And thus, any other Daemon Primarch really.

chaos is fractured because the gods want it that way, now if the chaos gods decided nids are a big enough threat they work together and send infinate deamons, billions of cultist/traitor guard and tens of thousands of space marines, not to mention all the Xenos races corrupted by chaos, if 1k space marines (with help from PDF and a Fleet of starships) can kill a tendril.. then leviathan will not be an issue to 10,000 + marines and there primarchs.

Yes 100 tyrants probably could kill a primarch, could it kill 5? 7? all of the deamon primarchs? what about there legions with them? and orbital support? and titans? traitor guard?... answer is hell no.

And all this without mentioning the biggest trump card (in my opinion) the dark mechanicus and the techno virus (which we know works on nids) these guys are not hamstinged like the loyalist ones, they will think nothing of developing weapons to nuke the nids

Then we have the Deamons, Khorne ones will be easy to bring in all the death and destruction, nurgle will feed of the rot and despair, tzeench will love the constant changing tactics and warfare and slaanesh will love the sensations of new ways to feel pain and die.

But back to topic, if chaos decides to off the nids... it will be totally one sided and nids go pop

Mr Morden wrote:

oldone wrote:

Eiríkr wrote:

it got to the point where they deicede to allie with the dark eldar giving the heamoculus (sp? ) like 777 fire warriors or something.

What.

sorry was 77 and it was of each castes (codex dark eldar pg 18 first and second paragraph in the path of damnation bit )

Also the Dark Eldar did not actually tell the Tau why they need "laision" officers

Well, maybe next time the Tau will learn not to accept deals from people who dress in all sombre colours and wear more spikes than you can shake a stick at.

Tyranids can potentially be the biggest threat, but currently they compete with IG for number of famous historic battles lost in their own codex.

The idea that Chaos can crush them if they stop being chaotic is utterly hilarious to me though.

kirsanth wrote:Tyranids can potentially be the biggest threat, but currently they compete with IG for number of famous historic battles lost in their own codex.

The idea that Chaos can crush them if they stop being chaotic is utterly hilarious to me though.

It would be if it hadnt already happend.... what was that thing called... hearsay?....nah that wasnt it... ah got it.... The horus heresy, The big E became a threat so they united and took him down a tad.

Its happened once, can happen again

kirsanth wrote:Tyranids can potentially be the biggest threat, but currently they compete with IG for number of famous historic battles lost in their own codex.

The idea that Chaos can crush them if they stop being chaotic is utterly hilarious to me though.

Formosa wrote:

Kain wrote:

Formosa wrote:if the chaos gods wanted to they would direct the primarchs and all the legions to wipe the nids out, simply put, tyranids are no threat to chaos, now if the chaos gods continue to just plod around and let the nids eat the universe piece meal... then they lose by a thousand cuts

Even assuming they could wipe out leviathan, which in of itself according to a map of it's assault on the galaxy is shown to be a significant fraction of the galaxy's width; so given that the mortal servants of Chaos number significantly less than the Imperium who are already having a hell of a time trying to stop Leviathan; this would be unlikely; the severely depleted Chaos Space marines and traitor guard who would be lucky to get away with less than 90% casualties, would be promptly swept away by the next hive fleet or anyone else who wanted them dead really.

There's a reason why most of the mortal servants of Chaos hide on daemon worlds and permanent warp rifts, their lack of numbers means they'd be crushed like ants by the much larger Imperium. And 100 grey knight terminators could beat Angron and 12 bloodthirsters, albeit after a very hard fight, and it is worth noting that Angron is probably the best remaining Primarch in physical combat (Both Sanguinus and Horus, who were capable of matching him, are now dead), I'm pretty sure 100 Hive Tyrants would rip him to shreds. And thus, any other Daemon Primarch really.

chaos is fractured because the gods want it that way, now if the chaos gods decided nids are a big enough threat they work together and send infinate deamons, billions of cultist/traitor guard and tens of thousands of space marines, not to mention all the Xenos races corrupted by chaos, if 1k space marines (with help from PDF and a Fleet of starships) can kill a tendril.. then leviathan will not be an issue to 10,000 + marines and there primarchs.

Yes 100 tyrants probably could kill a primarch, could it kill 5? 7? all of the deamon primarchs? what about there legions with them? and orbital support? and titans? traitor guard?... answer is hell no.

And all this without mentioning the biggest trump card (in my opinion) the dark mechanicus and the techno virus (which we know works on nids) these guys are not hamstinged like the loyalist ones, they will think nothing of developing weapons to nuke the nids

Then we have the Deamons, Khorne ones will be easy to bring in all the death and destruction, nurgle will feed of the rot and despair, tzeench will love the constant changing tactics and warfare and slaanesh will love the sensations of new ways to feel pain and die.

But back to topic, if chaos decides to off the nids... it will be totally one sided and nids go pop

if a hundred hive tyrants isn't working, just send more. The thing about the Tyranids is that they don't need to rely on singular heavy hitters because they will always be able to throw enough of something to stop that one big guy. 7 primarchs? So what? Have the combined psychic might of thousands of zoanthropes blasting you at once to the face. And the problem with the Virus is that tricks like that tend to only work on one major Tendril, then the rest are immune to it. Like Uriel Ventris' trick, which only worked once.

And there's the fact that all the mortal servants combined number far, far, far less than the entirety of the Imperium's military. If the eye of terror suddenly calmed and the Imperium decided it wanted the forces that were once hiding in it gone; the Traitor legions and Lost and Damned would be smushed, no questions asked. They don't have the numbers. And Daemons; going on Sondheim V's example, the Tyranids did pretty well even on a Daemon world, fighting the Daemons to a standstill.

And sure every Chaos Space marine can kill a thousand gaunts, but there's always another hundred billion in line. And of course, there's things like Genestealers which going by Dark Disciple can swat a Chaos Space marine's head off like a softball. Sure Khornate bezerkers are a match for Stealers if maybe a bit better, but for every Bezerker; there are billions of genestealers. They'll fight well and take down quite a lot, but in the end the few dozens of thousands of Bezerkers would drown in bodies and the hordes of melee organisms would just continue right on past.

Thousand sons? More Zoanthropes then there are Chaos Sorcerers in all of the legions combined by orders of magnitude. Generally the problem with Chaos is that on a macro scale they're outnumbered by pretty much everyone when it comes to mortal servitors, and the Chaos Daemons while theoretically infinite, have never deployed in numbers vast enough to ensure that you do not have enough ammo to take them all out, the Tyranids do; all the time in fact.

And of course; the followers of Chaos generally put their own lives somewhat above serving the dark gods in terms of things they value. There are exceptions like the Word Bearers and World Eaters, but most Chaos Space marines and guardsmen will break and run if things turn south faster than they'd like. So if the Black Legion was attacking a hive fleet and Abaddon is killed when he's attacked by far more bugs than he can handle; the majority of the black legion would end up going "Screw the dark gods, I wanna live!" and high tail it out of there.

And lastly, what are the traitor legions going to do when they've fired their last boltshell and there's still more tyranids barreling down at them then there are grains of sand on every beach and desert of present day earth? And it is worth noting, proportionally; the forces of Chaos have far fewer forgeworlds than the Imperium.

Additionally I'm kind of curious as to the viewpoint of the varying Chaos Legions on the Tyranids. We have Xereth's quote which indicates that they don't want to be cheated of their prize, and the Dawn of War 2 quotes indicate that they tend to think themselves superior until they start dying, and the Word Bearer's novels provide a bit of insight in how Chaos views it's rival in subverting citizens of the imperium (i;e genestealer cults). But otherwise we don't have much. Other than that one Warsmith being boneheaded enough to declare that he'd singlehandedly take on a Trygon, and predictably got killed and eaten.

Formosa wrote:And all this without mentioning the biggest trump card (in my opinion) the dark mechanicus and the techno virus (which we know works on nids) these guys are not hamstinged like the loyalist ones, they will think nothing of developing weapons to nuke the nids

What? IOM regularly nukes planets just cause they might be in the way of a hive fleet

okay we can use good old poster boy urial ventris as an example, he has something like 200 marines (some of another chapter) and the loal PDF and stops one half of liviathans thrust into the galaxy, he is only a captain,he used viral weapons to kill the norn queen with the help of the AD mech.

Now we have say.. Magnus the red (this part is theory) now tigger had tapped into the hive mind, he can predict someof there movements etc, Magnus is so much more powerful its a joke, so he does the same.

He finds the key splinter fleets and proceeds to take his ENTIRE 1k sons force to deal with them, with the usual Deamons and cult/traitors that follow.

So how do the nids deal with magnus and the 1k sons?
well we know it wont be 100 tyrants, otherwise thats all they would throw at everyone, same reason the entire nid race isnt built of biotitans, gaunts will be totally useless as he and his marines (fluff marines) pretty much make them useless, he can see the enemies movements and predict where they will attack. this is just magnus, 1 primach, he alone could bleed the hive fleets dry, stop there psy powers working on the battlefield and take on any creature they threw at him.

What about Mortarion or peturabo?
the later would just pick a planet in there path and bam... the nids cannot get any further.

With the traitor primarchs at the legions lead, they would be almost unstoppable, this combined with the fact they cannot actually be killed by nids (primarchs)

Formosa wrote: the techno virus (which we know worked on nids)

Fixed.
They have out-evolved worse, faster.


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I do find it amusing that the best example of why Chaos can win, is the biggest fight they lost - to the people who think Tyranids may be a bigger threat than Chaos itself!

Formosa wrote:okay we can use good old poster boy urial ventris as an example, he has something like 200 marines (some of another chapter) and the loal PDF and stops one half of liviathans thrust into the galaxy, he is only a captain,he used viral weapons to kill the norn queen with the help of the AD mech.

Now we have say.. Magnus the red (this part is theory) now tigger had tapped into the hive mind, he can predict someof there movements etc, Magnus is so much more powerful its a joke, so he does the same.

He finds the key splinter fleets and proceeds to take his ENTIRE 1k sons force to deal with them, with the usual Deamons and cult/traitors that follow.

So how do the nids deal with magnus and the 1k sons?
well we know it wont be 100 tyrants, otherwise thats all they would throw at everyone, same reason the entire nid race isnt built of biotitans, gaunts will be totally useless as he and his marines (fluff marines) pretty much make them useless, he can see the enemies movements and predict where they will attack. this is just magnus, 1 primach, he alone could bleed the hive fleets dry, stop there psy powers working on the battlefield and take on any creature they threw at him.

What about Mortarion or peturabo?
the later would just pick a planet in there path and bam... the nids cannot get any further.

With the traitor primarchs at the legions lead, they would be almost unstoppable, this combined with the fact they cannot actually be killed by nids (primarchs)

The primarchs have been punked before by a hundred grey knights. Angron lead pretty much the whole of the World Eater's legion onto Armageddon, and he lost. Uriel only won because of that one trick, were it not for that his troops would have simply been overwhelmed and destroyed. Behemoth was only beaten because the Dominus Astra blew itself up to take out the fleet, and that was only after the Imperium sent pretty much the entirety of Segmentum Fleet Tempustus, and Hive Fleet Behemoth *still* outnumbered them by a good margin.

The forces of Chaos don't have the amount of ships to try that, and generally speaking most of them are much too cowardly to ever try blowing themselves up like that. Pretty much every time the Nids have been beaten, it's because they lost in space. If the Tyranids are allowed to retain space superiority or supremacy, they will win through sheer attrition as they'll have a literally endless supply of reinforcements on the ground.

So to defeat Chaos each time all they have to do is sweep away the Chaos Fleet in orbit (rather easy to do; Chaos simply cannot muster ships in numbers like the Imperium can with the same ease) and then just rain down bugs until all the crazies on the planet are dead. It worked on Forgefane and Sybaris, it can work anywhere.

Formosa wrote:

Kain wrote:

Formosa wrote:if the chaos gods wanted to they would direct the primarchs and all the legions to wipe the nids out, simply put, tyranids are no threat to chaos, now if the chaos gods continue to just plod around and let the nids eat the universe piece meal... then they lose by a thousand cuts

Even assuming they could wipe out leviathan, which in of itself according to a map of it's assault on the galaxy is shown to be a significant fraction of the galaxy's width; so given that the mortal servants of Chaos number significantly less than the Imperium who are already having a hell of a time trying to stop Leviathan; this would be unlikely; the severely depleted Chaos Space marines and traitor guard who would be lucky to get away with less than 90% casualties, would be promptly swept away by the next hive fleet or anyone else who wanted them dead really.

There's a reason why most of the mortal servants of Chaos hide on daemon worlds and permanent warp rifts, their lack of numbers means they'd be crushed like ants by the much larger Imperium. And 100 grey knight terminators could beat Angron and 12 bloodthirsters, albeit after a very hard fight, and it is worth noting that Angron is probably the best remaining Primarch in physical combat (Both Sanguinus and Horus, who were capable of matching him, are now dead), I'm pretty sure 100 Hive Tyrants would rip him to shreds. And thus, any other Daemon Primarch really.

chaos is fractured because the gods want it that way, now if the chaos gods decided nids are a big enough threat they work together and send infinate deamons, billions of cultist/traitor guard and tens of thousands of space marines, not to mention all the Xenos races corrupted by chaos, if 1k space marines (with help from PDF and a Fleet of starships) can kill a tendril.. then leviathan will not be an issue to 10,000 + marines and there primarchs.


Yes 100 tyrants probably could kill a primarch, could it kill 5? 7? all of the deamon primarchs? what about there legions with them? and orbital support? and titans? traitor guard?... answer is hell no.

And all this without mentioning the biggest trump card (in my opinion) the dark mechanicus and the techno virus (which we know works on nids) these guys are not hamstinged like the loyalist ones, they will think nothing of developing weapons to nuke the nids

Then we have the Deamons, Khorne ones will be easy to bring in all the death and destruction, nurgle will feed of the rot and despair, tzeench will love the constant changing tactics and warfare and slaanesh will love the sensations of new ways to feel pain and die.

But back to topic, if chaos decides to off the nids... it will be totally one sided and nids go pop

The point is, there are unlimited daemons and unlimited tyranids in the galaxy. We will never know who would win unless GW decides to write some fluff, or we could have all CSM and Chaos Daemon players vs all Tyranid players in a huge apoc battle.

Yeah just look at the Gothic war and youll see how easy it is for the muster of IOM ships. Oh wait, Chaos had way more ships then the IOM, not to mention they kept gainin ships cause gaurdsmen and other people started worshipping the Dark Gods. Once people see that the Dark Gods servants are protectin them and that the IOM forces have retreated the entire world joins the Chaos side. Means that daemons will pop up everywhere.

to be fair 100 grey knight termies taking out angron and his thirsters is badass, unfortunately nids have nothing that can do this.

Fluff termies vs fluff BT and angron, fluff nids havent a chance

I mean fluff stealers vs normal fluff termies is a uphill battle, let alone Gk ones

The way I see it, it's either the necrons help deal with this problem, or the ultramarines will have to do amazingly well and be ready to sacrifice more than just their first company. Also, we seem to be forgetting that there could be hundreds of times as many 'nids out there, just waiting to see how the smaller fleets fare!

I would have to say that hands down Chaos would win the battle. I'd think that if they really were trying to eradicate Nids on a mass scale, it wouldn't be a conventional war. It would have to be all the Gods working together towards the goal which could be achieved very easily.

Magnus and Mortarion with their legion of body guards could (with all 4 Chaos gods supporting them) teleport into a hive fleet and lay down Papa Nurgle's biggest baddest disease ever, and simply teleport back home. I'm sure Nurgle would love the idea of having to continueously come up with new diseases to get rid of the little nids.

Chaos also would not fight a traditional war vs the Nids. Their main goal is never to just eradicate someone, it's to open new warp holes. Nids are smart when it comes to tactics and genome but they are dumb when it comes to the overall scheme. While the Daemon Primarchs and Legions of SM/Traitors fought off the horde (which would traditionally lose) they would have every battlefield open into a giant Warp Rift. Eventually, that Warp Rift would consume the planet and space around it, sucking the whole hive fleet into the Warp. Do the CSM forces die? No, that is their homefield, that is where their gods live and play. Who would than die? The Nids.

Think of it that way, that the whole goal of every fight would be opening up a Rift to the Warp that the Nids would get sucked into (being dumb and always attacking head on), Chaos would win in the end. Just make 5 "Eye of Terrors" where the Tyranids are entering the galaxy. If the Nids got smart of this strategy, the only answer would be "leave this galaxy and find a new one" thus: Chaos 1 Nids 0

I am confused why this is now a "Chaos would destroy everything that could face it!" thread.

Apparently people think Chaos disregards the Tyranids since they are obviously incapable of losing.