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Now I want to make rules for looted monstrous creatures...

That would be awesome. Looted C'tan, looted Carnifexes, looted Tomb Spyders, looted Dreadknights... the possibilities are endless.

How about looted Wraithlords? I'm sure that the orks could come up with their own version of a soul stone...

Chaos has a heavy reliance on summoned Daemons, Daemon engines and the like for major incursions into material realm so I can imagine that the Shadow bought by the Tyranid fleet causes major issues here. There just wouldn't be a large enough Chaos force in one place at one time to deal with a whole hive fleet.

The reason why Black Crusades are as successful (they are successful, have faith ) as they are is because they have a central point that they can all mass at and concentrate on, being the Eye. They lose steam when they fragment and Warlords and Champions go off on their own jollies.

If the Tyranid ever developed a way to break down warp essence that never returned to the warp, then Chaos would have even more issues. Not sure that is something that could ever happen though.

I can see Necrons all getting together with their many C'tan Shards and unleashing their power only to have each formed part of the C'tan look at each other, reform and then turn on the Necrons

I think even a C'tan though would get destroyed by shear weight of numbers eventually.

Personally I think the Tyranid will be the doom of all the races eventually in 40k.

I'm now curious as to how the Tau deal with genestealers, or if they are even capable of detecting Genestealer cults before the hive fleets come to eat some blueies.

I expect the etherials would be able to work out who's infected. Whether they mind-control their subordinates or simply massively inspire them, it wouldn't work on semi-genestealers, and they'd be able to work it out before it was too late.

p_gray99 wrote:I expect the etherials would be able to work out who's infected. Whether they mind-control their subordinates or simply massively inspire them, it wouldn't work on semi-genestealers, and they'd be able to work it out before it was too late.

That's a good point actually.

But what if an Ethereal was one of the first infected?

Pilau Rice wrote:

p_gray99 wrote:I expect the etherials would be able to work out who's infected. Whether they mind-control their subordinates or simply massively inspire them, it wouldn't work on semi-genestealers, and they'd be able to work it out before it was too late.

That's a good point actually.

But what if an Ethereal was one of the first infected?

I suspect that if a Sept's ethereal was infected, the Tau would need to rely on Kroot and Vespid to liberate the world from the genestealer cult.

Kain wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:

p_gray99 wrote:I expect the etherials would be able to work out who's infected. Whether they mind-control their subordinates or simply massively inspire them, it wouldn't work on semi-genestealers, and they'd be able to work it out before it was too late.

That's a good point actually.

But what if an Ethereal was one of the first infected?

I suspect that if a Sept's ethereal was infected, the Tau would need to rely on Kroot and Vespid to liberate the world from the genestealer cult.

Would the Sept find out though? If the Ethereal is able to control the Tau, maybe they could cover it up until the Hive fleet had arrived.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Kain wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:

p_gray99 wrote:I expect the etherials would be able to work out who's infected. Whether they mind-control their subordinates or simply massively inspire them, it wouldn't work on semi-genestealers, and they'd be able to work it out before it was too late.

That's a good point actually.

But what if an Ethereal was one of the first infected?

I suspect that if a Sept's ethereal was infected, the Tau would need to rely on Kroot and Vespid to liberate the world from the genestealer cult.

Would the Sept find out though? If the Ethereal is able to control the Tau, maybe they could cover it up until the Hive fleet had arrived.

I think Ethereals have some sort of protocol to follow, and all ultimately still answer to Aun'Va.

Didn't something of the sort happened in a Cain novel?

What's the chances of an Ethereal being infected without everyone being warned beforehand? If they went out into any tunnels or other suspicious place where genestealers would lurk, they would bring a bodyguard of elite fire warriors. I'm not saying that the stealers wouldn't deal with them easily, but surely one of them would get a signal out?

willhman wrote:The orks woould loot the tyranids bodies. Use their carapaces for armor\ammunition, the arms would become the orks new cc weapons, and their meat would become food for the greentide. Bones just more weapons.

They orks have a use for everything. They use everything at their disposole. They may be alot of things but wastefull is not one of them/

I've got this image in my head of an Ork sucking the worms out of a devourer, 'cause dey tickle as dey go down.

I have to agree with a what a few others have said about the necrons kinda being the perfect counter to the tyranids. And if they started losing they could just hide out in the alternate dimension they hang out in and wait for the hive fleets to move on to the next galaxy.

Same for the Dark Eldar and Chaos. They both have safe places to retreat to, can do raids to cook up some nids for food, and wait for the hive fleets to move on.

But in the end I would expect the orks and nids to be stuck in an eternal stalemate of glorious combat and eating.

By the times the nids have moved on, everything would be dead. And both Chaos amd the Dark Eldar would die without mortals to feed on.

kirsanth wrote:Didn't something of the sort happened in a Cain novel?

yep

Kain wrote:By the times the nids have moved on, everything would be dead. And both Chaos amd the Dark Eldar would die without mortals to feed on.

Wouldn't Chaos just be less active - the warp powers would still be there just fairly dormant.

Dark Eldar will be canabilistic for quite some time (and keep feeding Slaanesh) and likely rear slave stock etc in their dark domains - with which they can repopulate the galaxy with to do unpleasent things to when the Tryanids head off whilst also kick starting the powers of the Warp again. Not a nice future but hey................

Chaos needs mortals to feed on, no mortals means no food, and they would starve and die.

Yeah, but I doubt it would ever get to that stage. The necrons would need to be defeated first, and by the time the dark eldar figured out that the nids were likely to win they would try to capture as many as possible for torture, which could seriously turn the tides.

Most Necrons have no emotions to feed Chaos, and the Lords generally hang around in null fields. And the last time the Dark Eldar tried to capture the Tyranids they got eaten by Hive Fleet Hydra.

Yes, however the 3rd edition codex said that genestealers were particular favourites in the wych cult gladiatorial arenas, and that wyches will go so some lengths to capture them.

Capturing Purestrain genestealers from small cults is one thing. Trying to subsist on Tyranids from a massive horde that outnumbers the stars themselves is something *completely* different.

Kain wrote:

What is the general ork viewpoint on the Tyranids? We know what they think about humans, with several quotes dedicated to most varieties of them, we know that the Orks have an extravagantly low opinion of the Eldar ("Aww it's just da Eldar...yoo can send 'alf da boyz 'ome..." ), they seem to regard the Tau far more for their guns than any combat ability, and think that the Necrons offer some great fighting, but what about the Tyranids? And do the Orks devote any special methods to fighting the "gribbliez" like they do with humans?

Well in the codex it doesnt mention anything about the orks relationship with the tyranids, but probably in pure orky fashion they probably see them as another race with who they can have a massive war with!

Well the Orks tend to have general opinions about each species. The Eldar they think are a bunch of pansies who can't man up and fight all nice and proppa. Humans are junk at fighting when they're caught in choppa range, but they've got nice kit. Space marines are dead 'ard, but there aren't enough of them to go around. Chaos boyz are the previous two but crazy. And the Tau are the humans but MORE so.

Kain wrote:Capturing Purestrain genestealers from small cults is one thing. Trying to subsist on Tyranids from a massive horde that outnumbers the stars themselves is something *completely* different.

Yes, but are you trying to say that the DE would just attack the nids like that? Of course, they'd single off a small ship, and then simply capture that, whole, using some sort of device to make everything inside go dormant and using clever maneuvering to make sure they weren't pursued by other nids.

p_gray99 wrote:

Kain wrote:Capturing Purestrain genestealers from small cults is one thing. Trying to subsist on Tyranids from a massive horde that outnumbers the stars themselves is something *completely* different.

Yes, but are you trying to say that the DE would just attack the nids like that? Of course, they'd single off a small ship, and then simply capture that, whole, using some sort of device to make everything inside go dormant and using clever maneuvering to make sure they weren't pursued by other nids.

These are the same people who attacked a full blown hive fleet and were surprised when it killed them.

No. You make the mistake of thinking that all DE are the same, and equal in brain power, and also that they don't learn. If Vect tricked Salamanders into helping him take over the dark city, he's plenty clever enough to use the tactics I described. After all, I'm only human, he's Vect.

The thing about the Tyranids is that they generally don't feel pain. Just because they don't have the feel no pain rule does not mean that they are susceptible to it. A hormagaunt that just had it's back snapped in half will still try to kill you. The Tyranids just don't *give* a damn about how much suffering you inflict on them because the Hive Mind just shuts off such silly things such as giving two damns about getting eviscerated and they have no souls for the dark eldar to drink.

On a side note, how do tyranids consider the other races?


They are delicious.

In a reply on how tyranids view the other races:

Eldar: Like those fancy meals where you pay a lot but don't get that much food
Dark Eldar: Like the above, but with more spikes
Marines: Crunchy
Grey Knights: Crunchy w. more cheese
IG: Buffet
Tau: Take out Japanese food with rail guns
Orks: They are like tripy mushrooms to a hive mind.
Necrons: Stale Bread
Chaos: (To be honest I'm having a hard time with this one)

p_gray99 wrote:

Kain wrote:Capturing Purestrain genestealers from small cults is one thing. Trying to subsist on Tyranids from a massive horde that outnumbers the stars themselves is something *completely* different.

Yes, but are you trying to say that the DE would just attack the nids like that? Of course, they'd single off a small ship, and then simply capture that, whole, using some sort of device to make everything inside go dormant and using clever maneuvering to make sure they weren't pursued by other nids.

Your making things too hard. The nids leave all kinds of creatures behind after they consume a planet. You just need to go to the planet and clean up after the fleet has passed.