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Ok, 2k IG list (Edit 1):

HQ:

Lord Commissar, Camo Cloak, Carapace, Melta Bombs, Plasma Pistol, Power Fist 120

CCS, 4 x Lasguns, CC w/ Laspistol & CCW 50

Troops:

Infantry Platoon 640

PCS, Commander Chenkov, 4 x Lasguns
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW, Commissar w/ Bolt Pistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
Conscripts x 50, Send in the Next Wave

Infantry Platoon 592
PCS, Platoon Commander, Bolt Pistol, CCW, 4 x Lasguns
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW, Commissar w/ Bolt Pistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
Conscripts x 50, Send in the Next Wave

Infantry Platoon 592
PCS, Platoon Commander, Bolt Pistol, CCW, 4 x Lasguns
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW, Commissar w/ Bolt Pistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
PIS, 9 x Lasguns, Sgt w/ Laspistol & CCW
Conscripts x 50, Send in the Next Wave

Comes in at 1994 points, 324 bodies, with 150 of those recyclable. Blob up the Infantry Squads. Run them in formation like this:

CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC ==
CcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccC |
CcCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCcC |
CcC_Platoon______Platoon______Platoon_CcC |
CcC_Platoon______Platoon______Platoon_CcC |
CcC_Platoon______Platoon______Platoon_CcC | 12" (or less)
CcC_Platoon______Platoon______Platoon_CcC |
CcC_Platoon______Platoon______Platoon_CcC |
CcC__PCS_______Chenkov_______PCS__CcC |
CcC______________CCS_______________CcC ==

Outer 'C' is a squad of 50 Conscripts with the Lord Commissar initially attached. Middle 'c' is another squad of 50 conscripts that the Lord Commissar will "fall back" to join the movement phase the first wall will charge/be charged/Send in the Next Wave'd. The inner 'C' is the last wall of 50 Conscripts that the Lord Commissar will fall back to once the second goes. Recycle conscripts as needed and continue to move, "Forward, You Dogs!" So am I insane or what?

Edit: Took off PW's from Commissars and PCS to get a CCS for 2nd HQ for more FRFSRF orders. Would love to have added Straken, but even trimming off all the fat, it is still 35 points over 2k with him included. This is meant for a fun game, probably one of my last of 5th if not the last game of 5th I play. I'm hoping to arrange a game with one of our Nid players without letting him know what I'm possibly running (he'll probably think my SoB for practice for another upcoming tournament) so no worries about Mech Lists, Tank Shocking, or the like. If it doesn't pan out, I'll just play whoever happens to be there with the list as is. Consider it a challenge to see how much they can kill. People seriously doubt the sheer numbers of the models on the table I plan to put down and say template this and pie plate that, but have you every tried to kill 300+ models? With 150 of those coming back? It is like fighting a Green Tide made up of Necron Warriors. You keep killing them, they keep coming back. Besides, they are Guardsmen, they are supposed to die in droves!

holy crap do you have enough troops?!?!? well you have 0 anti tank capability but you will have enough las to blot out the sun so any infantry will be shot to death

jbsnv wrote:holy crap do you have enough troops?!?!? well you have 0 anti tank capability but you will have enough las to blot out the sun so any infantry will be shot to death

No...

I'd like to do the full 600+, but that would require Apocalypse point levels...


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I may drop some of the toys on the Platoon Commands and the Lord Commissar to fit in a bare bones CCS for more FRFSRF orders.

I think, as was written, you severely lack any real AT power. I counted one PF and a single model with melta bombs. That is easily avoided.

You also have to consider table size. With a 4 X 6 table, your troops will be very close together and hitting them with blast would be very easy. Also in CC you may have a lot of troops, but no PW's on the SGTs.

Also, tank shocking would be an issue for this army, and then with flamers it could be easily pushed off the table.

Try adding some russes potentially or lascannons or melta guns, something.

Foot list is fine.
You're a fool for not taking Creed or Straken.
Take either, or both.

You are taking the lord commy to keep the conscripts from fluffing?

Put a melta gun and power weapon in each squad. Enough meltas to give you death-or-glory defense to tank shock.

Good luck getting past turn 3 unless you play fantasy style movement trays

You are insane.

If I was ever facing such a list I'd put in some Triarc Stalkers and dual template your guys to death. Three of them would be throwing up 6 instant death templates each shooting phase and would be nigh-unstoppable with their AV13. With how tight packed that formation is going to be tesla Destructors are going to tear it a new one, though I think this is one of those rare cases where the doomsday arc would be a better point expenditure...

My warriors will stay nice and cozy inside their Ghost Arcs. No point in giving you a target you can actually hurt...

With no threat to tanks at all, a mech list would just tank shock the army off the table. Take 9-10 leadership checks a turn on a 9 at best, watch 2-3 units a turn start running .... those conscripts only have Ld 5 unless in range of the LC!

you are insane.

A dual blood claw furioso would mulch those guys.

Man, I don't care what the other people think. I want to play a game against you with my footslogging Orks; see who is the better rush army!

But in all seriousness, you need to attach AT and PW to the squads.

this sounds like sooooooo much fun!!!

IamM4nny wrote:this sounds like sooooooo much fun!!!

It really doesn't sound fun when you consider the time it will take to play a single game.

Get rid of those minor upgrades for platoon leaders, commissars, and the lord commissar to spam more guardsmen. Also, I would try a list more like this

Lord Commissar w/ Camo Cloak
Lord Commissar w/ Camo Cloak

PCS w/ Chenkov
50 Conscripts
Infantry Squad w/ Commissar
Infantry Squad
Infantry Squad
Infantry Squad

PCS
50 Conscripts
Infantry Squad w/ Commissar
Infantry Squad
Infantry Squad
Infantry Squad

PCS
50 Conscripts
Infantry Squad w/ Commissar
Infantry Squad
Infantry Squad

PCS
50 Conscripts
Infantry Squad w/ Commissar
Infantry Squad
Infantry Squad

PCS
50 Conscripts
Infantry Squad w/ Commissar
Infantry Squad
Infantry Squad

PCS
50 Conscripts
Infantry Squad w/ Commissar
Infantry Squad
Infantry Squad

200 Guardsmen (not in PCS), 300 Conscripts, 538 models total

Edit: Forgot send in the next wave. Might have to trim off a platoon. Still more bodies

you are insane, becuase everyone knows IG strong point is in there tanks.

I'd love to drop a WWP in the middle of that horde and spring some talos/wyches on them

I would drop some of those upgrades to get at least a meltagun for each squad. That keeps tank shockers honest.

I'd just never get out of my battlewagons. Why should I? I'll just sit around and shoot out of the wagons while getting my deffrolla's a new red paint job. Scale it up to 2500 and give it some meltaguns, and some heavy weapons teams. Stick in some cheap teams in all your PCS, it's not like they need the mobility for the special weapons that they don't have.

loota boy wrote:I'd just never get out of my battlewagons. Why should I?

Glanced to death by frag grenades?

pretre wrote:

loota boy wrote:I'd just never get out of my battlewagons. Why should I?

Glanced to death by frag grenades?

Indeed. I have felt the wrath of 40 frag grenades hitting on 6's against my rear wagon armor. It is scary.

List is very interesting. You're probably better off taking meltabombs than PWs. It takes just 1 dreadnought to bog down the first row. Then everyone else in the back is screwed.

Anything that has tanks with better than Rear Armour 11 will mulch this.

Love it. Conscripts are hilarious fun. "Oh theres one guy left in the squad? Here lets just shoot him and send in 50 more " Just find a buddy who is willing to NOT be a D bag and bring a pure Mech list and play the Soviet Union national anthem in the background.

First post edited with "new" list and perhaps a better explanation. Keep the commentary coming people!

I absolutely love the sound of this army, and would happily dedicate the 20hrs required to play the full 6 turns against it.

one thing i would say though, is that you should drop one or two of the infantry squads and put meltas in there, or swap an infantry squad for a heavy weapons team with lascannons in each platoon

I have a Leman Russ that counts as an executioner. Its 300 points would destroy your entire army on its own.

I'd love to play you, and my list is a hybrid, but unless you want a dig a mass grave, you still need more AT capability, you can't even touch high toughness creatures like Tyrannids Monsterous creatures and/or Greater Daemons which once they get into CC, they will absolutely destroy you. So yes, you're about as crazy as Goge Vandire thinking that this list can do more than making Arlington Cemetery look like a backyard family grave.

However, put this 2k points on the Apoc table, and I'd see some serious sense in it, if it had armored support in the remaining 3K+ points.

That list would be hell to fight against. I usually bring 60 Necron Warriors with Res Orb, but I think even they'd get overwhelmed. Only thing I'd change is drop a squad or two to make room for a meltagun or 2 in each squad. AT problem solved.

I fething love it.

But you NEED to take Straken in this list. He will give almost every fething blob you have - which is a lot - counter-attack and furious charge. Just keep him in the middle to bubble wrap all the infantry/meat shields.

Sure, a Mech List may be an issue. But just take some more melta and maybe a power fist or two.

Fact is, everyone saying that they'd take "such and such" a unit against this list has the obvious benefit of foresight yet in reality most people expect the god awful cheese/unfluffy Mech guard lists. So chances are this would do well due to the sheer audacity of it. I mean sure, we have blob guard and people half-expect blob guard too, but this list is in the realms of horde list. People don't generally expect that.

With Straken (counter-attack, furious charge, a chainfist), Chenkov (send in the next wave!) and the Lord Commissar (ld10) as well as some meltabombs and power fists for AT i'd feel that would be a nightmare to kill. Even with flamers and templates the above 3 working in unison would be tough to match unless you list tailor specifically to beat it.

DemetriDominov wrote:I have a Leman Russ that counts as an executioner. Its 300 points would destroy your entire army on its own.

You wouldn't have enough bullets to make a dent in his infantry count.

Can sarges take meltabombs? Honestly, if the list replace all power weapons with meltabombs, literally give EVERYONE that can take MBs, MBs, the list would become pretty scary.
If you max out on 50 men combined platoon squads, that's 5 meltabombs per mob which is pretty scary and you'd have enough wounds to zergswarm anything not a vehicle. You'd outork the orks.

If you have the money to burn, this would be fun to play.

I actually faced an army like this with my Worldeaters, but it was a few editions ago (and codex). I showed up with my army, looking for a game, and agreed to play another guy waiting around. When we were getting ready to face off, I said to him lemme just drop my tanks and we'll go infantry vs infantry. I had brought a standard balanced list w/ a few tanks and some rhinos. We both laughed and he agreed. I think It ended up like 60 zerkers vs 500 IG.

and you know what? I lost cause I couldnt kill enough! I lost a little more then 1/3 of my army charging in. Each of my squads was killing between 7-10 guys a turn but all those conscripts just clogged everything up and slowed me down...but oh boy was Khorne happy. I had about 15 zerkers left vs about 150 guardsmen.

After that battle he backed off the extreme list and used like 3 big blocks of conscripts with a more standard list. But he always used those hoards to choke an assault.

Ive played a lot of games with my Worldeaters, but that one was actually one of my most fun games. I laughed the whole time at the thought of 60 bezerkers charging 500 guys through a storm of lasgun fire. At times Id have 2-3 guys surrounded by 30 guys and be making saves like crazy, while killing boatloads.

I dont know if anyone else brought this up, or if im wrong....

but I thought the BITNW was only within the same platoon?

Derpity derp derp derp im a fool