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2012/06/23 21:24:39
Subject: Guy runs for State Rep in Oklahoma, likes what the Nazi Iron Cross stands for.
So just to meet my weekly quota of sensationalist stories, I present this gem from my state:
A candidate for state representative says the swastika he's wearing in a snapshot was part of his Halloween costume.
However, the replica of a Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross awarded to German Nazi heroes on the wall behind him is there because he likes what it stands for, said Republican candidate Rodney Hiebert, 42, of Taloga.
“Traditionally it represents honor and dignity, which frankly is something this country can use more of,” Hiebert said. He is running for House District 59, which includes Kingfisher, Blaine, Canadian, Dewey, Major and Woodward counties.
He said he's not circulating a campaign photograph to counter the one of him wearing a swastika.
Hiebert faces incumbent Rep. Mike Sanders, 36, R-Kingfisher. The race will be decided Tuesday since no Democrats are running.
Sanders said Hiebert wore the swastika the day he filed as a candidate at the state Capitol, although was hesitant say anything critical about his opponent's choice to wear it.
“We live in America, and everyone has the right to put their name on the ballot,” Sanders said.
Hiebert said he is not a racist. He said people of American Indian descent help in his campaign, and he believes more history about indigenous Oklahomans should be taught in schools. He also believes Spanish language classes should be eliminated, and there is no need to incorporate more black history into teachers' lesson plans, he said.
“Mexico is a Third World country and Spain is economically folding,” Hiebert said. “I don't see any reason why our young people need to waste their time learning Spanish.”
Sanders is seeking his third term as state representative. He is employed at his family's business, Sanders Funeral Home in Kingfisher. He earned a bachelor's degree in history and political science from Oklahoma Christian University.
He began working on political campaigns at a young age, including the 2000 campaign for President George W. Bush. Under the Bush administration, he served as director of interns at the White House.
He later served as deputy chief of staff for rural development for the U.S. Department of Agriculture. From 1999 to 2003, he served on the Council for Small Business for Gov. Frank Keating.
Hiebert said he blames incumbents for the problems in state government, and will serve only one term if elected. He's not accepting campaign donations, because he doesn't want to be beholden to any special interest groups, he said.
In the past, Hiebert has worked as roughneck in the oil field, as a nursing home aide, and has farmed. He said he's not currently employed because he's focusing on the race.
If elected, he said he plans to research the state lottery's contribution to education, concentrate on legislation that reduces crime and support measures that would benefit oil producers and reduce government spending.
Seriously, if you like the Iron Cross so much then maybe at least you could wear a World War 1 version without the swastika. Although I am sure he could find a military award that stand for 'honor & dignity' that doesn't come from a country & time period like Nazi Germany. But what do I know...
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2012/06/23 21:35:28
Subject: Guy runs for State Rep in Oklahoma, likes what the Nazi Iron Cross stands for.
I may as well say it before anybody else does, but the Iron Cross, like a lot of things, was corrupted by the Nazis.
I may be wrong, and no doubt somebody will correct me, but I'm sure the Iron Cross goes back to Teutonic Knights and the Baltic crusades. It being a sort of 'muscular christianity.
Also, the death's head symbol the SS used was Fredrick the great's honour guard? Or Medal for bravery??
Anyway, D-USA is right, if he wanted to use a symbol of honour, why not the Victoria Cross. I was going to mention MOH, but isn't it a federal offence for a non-winner of the MOH to wear it unless you're a relative of the winner??
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2012/06/23 21:43:52
Subject: Guy runs for State Rep in Oklahoma, likes what the Nazi Iron Cross stands for.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I may as well say it before anybody else does, but the Iron Cross, like a lot of things, was corrupted by the Nazis
Very true. That's why I was thinking that a pre-WWII Iron Cross would have been better. Instead he is wearing an Iron Cross with a Swastika inside of it.
And this is me just being judgmental but looking like a skin-head in his picture probably doesn't help him much.
2012/06/23 22:21:17
Subject: Guy runs for State Rep in Oklahoma, likes what the Nazi Iron Cross stands for.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Also, the death's head symbol the SS used was Fredrick the great's honour guard? Or Medal for bravery??
The Totenkopf actually became a very popular military symbol in the 19th century (I can't remember if it actually originated with the Germans or not in usage), but especially among vanguard units and elites. It's actually still very widely used despite the negative connotations since WWII.
I used to have a wallet ith the iron cross. Its more or less a "Tough Guy" Biker kinda symbol now. The problem is that particular one he is wearing has the swastika on it.
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2012/06/23 22:32:10
Subject: Guy runs for State Rep in Oklahoma, likes what the Nazi Iron Cross stands for.
d-usa wrote:
“Mexico is a Third World country and Spain is economically folding,” Hiebert said. “I don't see any reason why our young people need to waste their time learning Spanish.”
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2012/06/23 23:42:54
Subject: Guy runs for State Rep in Oklahoma, likes what the Nazi Iron Cross stands for.
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2012/06/24 03:23:29
Subject: Re:Guy runs for State Rep in Oklahoma, likes what the Nazi Iron Cross stands for.
I'm so proud of my state. We seem to somehow produce the worst wackjobs that humanity has to offer while at the same time actually having some decent folk live here. It's an odd paradox.
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2012/06/24 04:00:49
Subject: Guy runs for State Rep in Oklahoma, likes what the Nazi Iron Cross stands for.
agnosto wrote:I'm so proud of my state. We seem to somehow produce the worst wackjobs that humanity has to offer while at the same time actually having some decent folk live here. It's an odd paradox.
Absolutely mindblowing actually. I'm proud of my state too, just not some of the gak that's produced.
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2012/06/24 04:14:47
Subject: Guy runs for State Rep in Oklahoma, likes what the Nazi Iron Cross stands for.
hotsauceman1 wrote:Same here, Cali is full of hippy morons but have some of the kindest people ever.
You don't call it "Cali" if you're from California. That's what east coasters who think they're cool because they're wearing Hollister clothing call California.
2012/06/24 04:56:51
Subject: Guy runs for State Rep in Oklahoma, likes what the Nazi Iron Cross stands for.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I may as well say it before anybody else does, but the Iron Cross, like a lot of things, was corrupted by the Nazis.
I may be wrong, and no doubt somebody will correct me, but I'm sure the Iron Cross goes back to Teutonic Knights and the Baltic crusades. It being a sort of 'muscular christianity.
Also, the death's head symbol the SS used was Fredrick the great's honour guard? Or Medal for bravery??
Anyway, D-USA is right, if he wanted to use a symbol of honour, why not the Victoria Cross. I was going to mention MOH, but isn't it a federal offence for a non-winner of the MOH to wear it unless you're a relative of the winner??
Under the same logic, you can argue that people should be allowed to use the swastika. I'm not trying to argue, but just showing the point. People don't get to set their own meanings for symbols. You can't fly a Nazi flag as a symbol of anti smoking laws and expect it to be accepted.
The Iron Cross is different though; it it does get misinterpreted, it will probably be interpreted as a biker symbol.
As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I may as well say it before anybody else does, but the Iron Cross, like a lot of things, was corrupted by the Nazis
Very true. That's why I was thinking that a pre-WWII Iron Cross would have been better. Instead he is wearing an Iron Cross with a Swastika inside of it.
And this is me just being judgmental but looking like a skin-head in his picture probably doesn't help him much.
I was about to say the same thing. I was going to order reproduction iron crosses for Warhammer costumes, but the only ones I could find were the WWII variant.
As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
So this is the guy who keeps posting here about his Nazi-themed IG army!
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Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:I was going to order reproduction iron crosses for Warhammer costumes, but the only ones I could find were the WWII variant.
http://www.milprom.com/German/medals/index.htm
Less than halfway down the page.
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Manchu wrote:So this is the guy who keeps posting here about his Nazi-themed IG army!
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Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:I was going to order reproduction iron crosses for Warhammer costumes, but the only ones I could find were the WWII variant.
http://www.milprom.com/German/medals/index.htm
Less than halfway down the page.
Probably not, he wanted ones without swastikas.
Which also makes sense for cosplay Empire.
Easiest answer for him would be to make his own. Do your own pattern of a teutonic cross and thus avoid all issues.
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2012/06/24 11:16:42
Subject: Guy runs for State Rep in Oklahoma, likes what the Nazi Iron Cross stands for.
I guess it just needs more time like the emblem Nero used. They used that as well if I remember correctly. But, I guess that may just stray more off topic.
hotsauceman1 wrote:Welll mexico is below us, if it fall apart we will get a whole lot more immigrants.
Well at the moment, immigration from Mexico, both illegal and legal, are at all time lows.
But you won't get Republicans admitting that, it plays against their "we hate dem wetbacks!" political message.
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