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So I dont want to post this in "news and rumors" as there are no news or rumors.

I simply want to know what model lines we think are going to get new kits because they are old, they are bad, or they are going in a new direction.

We know from the starter set that there will be a plastic dread, plastic cultists and plastic chosen.

I think the raptors and plague marines have been recently redone and will not change.
perhaps Tsons are also in that catagory

I think it is likely many of the HQs will change from metal to Finecast
Possessed will stay the same as they look new.

Terminators might be redone, although they do already have a nice plastic kit. I dont think bikes will change, as regular SM are getting new bikes in the starter

Perhaps new bezerkers, they are looking kind of tired if you ask me.
Or new Chaos Space Marines. Also likely Emporers children. If the basic space marines change then the havocs will also change.

Its all speculations but anyone want to have a go.

same
Plague Marines, Tsons, Raptors

likely the same
Most HQs, terminators, possessed, Bikes

likely new
Bezerkers, Chaos Space Marines, Emperors Children

Zerkers are plastic. They're likely to stay as is. Your T-sons are more likely to get new models.

If daemons are still in the codex then we'll probably see an expansion on them, at least in the form of bringing back Furies. Khorne Berzerkers need to be redone, that's no question, they're just too old (and we've had to put up with them looking bad for two editions, please don't make it a third), despite Forgeworld selling an upgrade kit. As the cult troops have recently gone resin I'd say its unlikely they'll see much work. A Chaos Lord in power armour kit would be nice, seeing as there's one in Terminator Armour, but that may be unlikely as their easy to kitbash (and Codex Marines only have one plastic commander box set, not one for each of the armour types). Raptors could do with a looking too, but they'd probably need a change of rules to get a plastic kit. A new Dreadnought is really needed, and I'd say is likely. If Legions are still in it we'll be seeing special characters for them presumably-ie finally a Dark Apostle model, even if it is a character. I've heard that Chaos Terminators are getting their own version of Storm Shields, and possibly Thunder Hammers, but I don't know if that warrants a new kit. Plastic Chosen, or more likely resin are likely (following the codex marines spamming their veteran unit resin kits), as could there possibly be another elites choice seeing as there isn't much to go for there. Plastic Obliterators might happen, but I think they'd need a rule change that allows for unit upgrades for this to happen (can't just have a kit full of bits that only allow one stat line). If cultists are in then units relevant to them, ie preachers, though I think if they are they'd be kept to a minimum like daemons are. A new daemon engine is a possibility. =P

From what I have read in the rumours there may well be cultists in the new boxed set so that may likely indicate a new plastic set of them too. Also there is finally going to be a new dreadnought, this is an absolute MUST for GW as well as it's rules being slightly re-written. Maybe some more legion specific units like the loyalists get. Like Iron Hands or Black Templars but Alpha Legion or Word Bearers etc. There's also rumours of chosen in the new boxed set so maybe some of them in multi-part plastics or resin too.

I'd like to see new Chaos plastics. The old ones are pretty lacking.

Well, I take that back and add a caveat. I'd like to see new Chaos Marines if they do a good job with them. If they just get even more ridiculous with the stupid helmet horns, bolters with ammo belts, and extra spikiness, then hopefully they don't bother.

Standard Chaos Space Marines aren't getting new models. Their current sculpts are from the current CSM codex release, and are frankly pretty good kits with lots of options. The only new standard Chaos Marine models I would expect to see are in the starter set, and rumor has it they will be Chosen anyway.

timetowaste85 wrote:Zerkers are plastic. They're likely to stay as is. Your T-sons are more likely to get new models.

The zerkers are from 3rd edition though. One of the first multi part plastic kits and are definitly showing their age. Tsons I got the impression were newer.


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Veteran Sergeant wrote:I'd like to see new Chaos plastics. The old ones are pretty lacking.

Well, I take that back and add a caveat. I'd like to see new Chaos Marines if they do a good job with them. If they just get even more ridiculous with the stupid helmet horns, bolters with ammo belts, and extra spikiness, then hopefully they don't bother.

I am ok with the ammo belts but the skikiness and horns are annoying. I have to file all that crap off.

Thousand Sons are likely to get new models because they're horrid metal/plastic hybrid kits. It has little to do with their age. GW has been phasing out hybrid kits for a while now, and I hope that leads to new plastic Thousand Sons.

My problem with the ammo belts is that they are impossibly ludicrous. I mean, you have to accept the guys designing the guns don't really know how guns actually work, but there's no way for them to load the belts, lol. The bolters don't have an feed tray. The belt is just hanging out of the magazine well. How do they reload? Plus, the limitations of the sculpt make the individual linked rounds gigantic, suggesting a pitiful ammunition supply. I had a brief moment of distraction where I wanted to put together some "functional" Night Lords in the same fashion as my Tall Scale Space Marines, but when I got a hold of a some Chaos Marine sprues, I realized that 4/5 bolters had belts, and I'd have to replace them all with magazines. Gah. That, and the helmets are atrocious.

I guess that's why I haven't had a Chaos army since the small one I had in 2nd Edition. Their models are just terrible. :(

Veteran Sergeant wrote:My problem with the ammo belts is that they are impossibly ludicrous. I mean, you have to accept the guys designing the guns don't really know how guns actually work, but there's no way for them to load the belts, lol. The bolters don't have an feed tray. The belt is just hanging out of the magazine well. How do they reload? Plus, the limitations of the sculpt make the individual linked rounds gigantic, suggesting a pitiful ammunition supply. I had a brief moment of distraction where I wanted to put together some "functional" Night Lords in the same fashion as my Tall Scale Space Marines, but when I got a hold of a some Chaos Marine sprues, I realized that 4/5 bolters had belts, and I'd have to replace them all with magazines.

I guess that's why I haven't had a Chaos army since the small one I had in 2nd Edition. Their models are just terrible. :(

I agree with the scaling problem and the ammo but I kind of like the pushed to the edge nature of the chaos marines. They dont have the imperium supporting them so they might not have enough ammo to get through the whole fight. They might scavenge some. If I can believe deep striking terminators and power weapons I can believe the trator marines have some way to reload their weapons, possibly with different caliber shells from belts, drums, or mags.

Veteran Sergeant wrote: Gah. That, and the helmets are atrocious.
:(

So true

Try turning the horns on the helmets around so their facing down like a rams, instead of upwards. I use them for my count as Khorne Berzerkers and they look quite menacing in comparison, though still requiring a little work.

One big ask from the new kits? ....Beakies....chaos Mk6 Corvus armour. In fact include some Maximus and old suits in general, I mean they're supposed to have them right? The loyalists have plenty of the older sets in their newer kits (ie the Blood Angels sprue), yet chaos are for some reason kitted out with a load of Mk7 suits (....which were created mostly after the Heresy derp) with the odd bit of Mk5 thrown in. ¬¬

Wyrmalla wrote:
One big ask from the new kits? ....Beakies....chaos Mk6 Corvus armour. In fact include some Maximus and old suits in general, I mean they're supposed to have them right? The loyalists have plenty of the older sets in their newer kits (ie the Blood Angels sprue), yet chaos are for some reason kitted out with a load of Mk7 suits (....which were created mostly after the Heresy derp) with the odd bit of Mk5 thrown in. ¬¬

exactly, why is it so difficult to come up with this stuff. GW focuses too much on the horny daemonic nature of the chaos legions. I want old gruff preheresy looking guys.

Whatever the unit on the back of the 6th edition rulebook is. Those CSM that look like they're made out of bone. Hopefully there is a kit for whatever those are. Also, I heard plastic obliterators, and plastic (not finecast) plague marines.

So give Chaos dudes old armor? Then they'll look more like loyalist Marines! I think it's important to have a visual distinction between the two armies, and personally I like the Saturday morning cartoon look of Chaos Marines. I can understand that some people would rather have more evil looking Marines, rather than He-Man-esque villains though. Fortunately there's the Forgeworld kits of old marks of armor, but the price point is tough to bear.

Personally I hope we can get some Chaos models a little more like some of the RT era stuff, where it's more mutated and somewhat Giger-esque. I don't think I'd replace my Iron Warriors with those, but I'd like the option for those models to be available. I doubt GW will go back to it, but you never know.

Oh yeah, Marines with armour that looks warped would be good, and at least fit the art, but hell, they really need to lose all that Mk7 armour. Have warped Mk5 suits, not the new ones. The Chaos marines now look like corrupted versions of the current marines, not corrupted old ass heresy era ones.It'd be nice to see chaos corrupted versions of heresy era tech, ie stuff that's no longer in use, like the Reaper Autocannon, and more of a variety in their bolter versions (or at least more chaosy versions). Its a bother that you need to go to Forgeworld to get chaos marines that fit the fluff, and you have to convert that stuff anyway, so why not just make the armour yourself. ....I have been tempted by the Bolter marks though. ^^

Wishlist? Rules for Chaos Boarding Marines, or at least Storm Shields variants for Terminators. My renegades have shields as their halmark, but I'd like to see them in the rules as it really fits the old age warrior look, compared to the gallant marines of the present. (Iron armour, Thunder Hammer, and a Storm Shielf =/= Dark Knight. ^^)

I'm hoping for plastic cultists, plastic dread, plastic raptors and a flier in the first wave.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I'd like to see new Chaos plastics. The old ones are pretty lacking.

Well, I take that back and add a caveat. I'd like to see new Chaos Marines if they do a good job with them. If they just get even more ridiculous with the stupid helmet horns, bolters with ammo belts, and extra spikiness, then hopefully they don't bother.

I like the ridiculous. It's part of the fun. If you try to take 40k seriously, it tends to fall apart. For one of my Chaos Space Marines, an Aspiring Champion, I decked him out with as many trophies as possible. I believe his armor had a total of seven skulls mounted on pikes or hanging from chains.

Cerebrium wrote:I'm hoping for plastic cultists, plastic dread, plastic raptors and a flier in the first wave.

Four plastic kits seems to be the typical launch number these days, unless that "everything gets released at once" rumor comes true and we get even more new stuff. I'd be really happy with all of the above!

What about the vehicles?

Vehicles aren't going to change, they're all plastic and based on current plastic Marine vehicles. I could see a new Land Raider variant, but that's probably it.

Brother SRM wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:I'm hoping for plastic cultists, plastic dread, plastic raptors and a flier in the first wave.

Four plastic kits seems to be the typical launch number these days, unless that "everything gets released at once" rumor comes true and we get even more new stuff. I'd be really happy with all of the above!

Yeah, 4 plastic and a few finecast blisters seems to be the standard "wave" these days.

I dunno if I'd like everything at once. Pro: We don't need to wonder if x, y or z will get a model. Con: I can't pace myself and will buy far too much

Cerebrium wrote:I'm hoping for plastic cultists, plastic dread, plastic raptors and a flier in the first wave.

I think there is a rumor of a plastic dread outside of the one in the starter set.

a flyer is likely so that is 2 of the 4

the cultists might only be available in the starter
ditto the chosen

if they do change the raptors i hope they dont change the backpack, again!

I would really like a new CSM kit that can make chosen havocs, or regular CSM. A lot of options for heavy and special weapons. probably wont happen.

the zerkers are really old but they also probably wont happen.

Exergy wrote:I agree with the scaling problem and the ammo but I kind of like the pushed to the edge nature of the chaos marines. They dont have the imperium supporting them so they might not have enough ammo to get through the whole fight. They might scavenge some. If I can believe deep striking terminators and power weapons I can believe the trator marines have some way to reload their weapons, possibly with different caliber shells from belts, drums, or mags.

No, I mean, literally, how they put more ammunition in the weapon. Belt fed weapons typically have a feed tray. Which means you lay the belt across it with the first link over the chamber. Then, when you pull back the charging handle to cycle that first round on the belt into the weapon, there's a mechanism to grab it. Gravity plays a huge part in this process, as in gravity keeps the belts flat on the tray while you put the cover back down. The bolters the Chaos Marines have show the belts hanging out of the magazine well. Which means a new belt would have to be dangled into the magazine well, while the weapon was held upside down. Not really very efficient and would actually take three arms to do easily (hmm, mutation time? haha). Then the question remains about the links. Most belt fed weapons discard the links out their own opening, but not all. Typically straight down, because well, gravity is free and doesn't require maintenance. So the bolter both feeding ammo, and ejecting links, out of the same port (in this case, the magazine well). That's a nightmare for jams, lol. However, the whole idea begs the question of "why?". Belted ammunition has its advantages, but not for a weapon like the bolt rifle. Plus, when we're talking about Chaos Marines and their limited logistics, belt links are now another item you have to continuously scavenge or manufacture (not difficult, but an unnecessary step), and then you have to assemble the belts, and well, that's an absurdly time consuming process to do by hand.

These are the problems with playing wargames and having been a Marine. I think too much about these things.

BTW: a cool, if a little dry, video that shows the cycle of operations for the standard NATO 7.62x51mm machine gun.

Exergy wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:I'm hoping for plastic cultists, plastic dread, plastic raptors and a flier in the first wave.

I think there is a rumor of a plastic dread outside of the one in the starter set.

a flyer is likely so that is 2 of the 4

the cultists might only be available in the starter
ditto the chosen

if they do change the raptors i hope they dont change the backpack, again!

I would really like a new CSM kit that can make chosen havocs, or regular CSM. A lot of options for heavy and special weapons. probably wont happen.

the zerkers are really old but they also probably wont happen.

I really doubt they'd make cultists only available in the starter if they're supposed to be their cheap, disposable infantry that you'll want lots of.

Cerebrium wrote:
I really doubt they'd make cultists only available in the starter if they're supposed to be their cheap, disposable infantry that you'll want lots of.

The only precedent I can think of are Deffkoptas in AoBR, since there's no reasonable way to get them outside of that box. Then again, they're an FA choice and not a new hotness Troops choice that will likely be a cornerstone of the codex. We might not get Cultists outside of the box set initially, but I'm pretty positive GW will release plastics.

They will probably take advantage of the Cultists in the box tbh, look at Nobz they did get a box, but it was a year after the intial release because they had the nobz in AoBR to fall back on.

Also Grots which most people though would be a dead cert for launch had to wait a year as well.


If Noise Marines/Emperors Children get a plastic kit, I will have to hide the wallet.

Thank the fates that plastic sisters aren't out yet, as I'd have no chance to resist a new Slaanesh army if they where out as well.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:They will probably take advantage of the Cultists in the box tbh, look at Nobz they did get a box, but it was a year after the intial release because they had the nobz in AoBR to fall back on.

I don't recall the exact release of the plastic Nobz box, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't that long after AoBR. They might have come out the Summer afterwards - I'm looking at a picture dated to August 09 right now of the Nobz I painted, and they're the new plastics. To be fair though, Nobz were already available as metal models and as plastic squad leaders in the Ork Boyz box. Regardless, I hope we don't have to wait a year for plastic cultists in a proper multipart box!

Oh I'd be happy if they are at release as well, don't get me wrong.

As to releases, just checked. The Ork book came out in Jan 2008, the AoBR box out in Sep 2008, and the Orks Nobz, Grots wave in Jan 2009.

So aye it wasn't a long period to be fair.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Thank the fates that plastic sisters aren't out yet, as I'd have no chance to resist a new Slaanesh army if they where out as well.

I've always joked that the biggest sales of plastic Sisters should they ever appear, will not be in armies, but in sales to people who want to defile them (conversion wise) in some way. The P&M forum will a veritable wash of logs of people trying to complete the first Chaos Sisters army full of crazy mutations and conversions.

If we do get Cultists I'd want them to be more like Space Marine Scouts, rather than cheap cannon fodder hordes.