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Zerkers and Regular Chaos marines need it the worst, the look very juvenile in overall appearance, the FW berzerker kit looks better.

I'd like to see:

Plastic Deathguard, Noise Marines and Thousand Sons.

Plastic Dread w/ Variant models (since loyalists get like 13 different dreadnought kits...)

Plastic Havocs, Obliterators and Raptors.

I've also said before:

A Forgeworld Collectors Series with all the Special Characters (from every army) getting an awesome new sculpt.

Brother SRM wrote:Standard Chaos Space Marines aren't getting new models. Their current sculpts are from the current CSM codex release, and are frankly pretty good kits with lots of options. The only new standard Chaos Marine models I would expect to see are in the starter set, and rumor has it they will be Chosen anyway.

This would be a pity. The current ones are both boring looking and of a bad cast quality. For the prices GW is charging one could expect more.

Personally, I'm nervous about obliterators. They're my favourite unit and, as far as I can recall, there were no pictures of them in the 6th ed rulebook. I'm assuming its because they're planning a new release very soon. Considering the huge jump from the older small-based models to the current terminator-sized metal ones, I don't know what to expect.

As far as speculating about 1k sons, I think it goes without saying that all cult troops will get the death guard treatment (finecast). I don't see why they'd release new cult troops in plastic when they could do it in finecast.

English Assassin wrote:The one thing I'd dearly love, being very fond of the Rogue Trader-era Chaos marines, to see (though I hold out little hope) would be a sprue of more plastic (or even finecrap) mutation bits.

I far prefer the old school more heavily mutated looking chaos marine minis to the super spiky, but otherwise normal looking chaos marines and spent plenty of time scaring up as many of the old khorne, nurgle and slaanesh fantasy chaos champions to convert to marines for their various armies and also collecting a large amount of the generic old school chaos marines with extra arms, tentacles, chaos warped armor and so on. Some are first release blood claw minis that have one arm replaced with a pair of genestealer arms or something similar. My chaos armies are all a mishmash of many different types and styles of minis, all GW, but many that haven't been available in the last 10 years and some not available readily for 15+ years. If the new figures that come out for chaos are interesting I might co-op some and add to my existing CSM armies, but they have to be really interesting to get me to do that. Entirely new units are definitely what I will be looking at. I have a number of forgeworld dreadnoughts because the models are very well detailed, but I rarely use them as the chaos dread rules need some tweaking. I don't mind the blood rage and ignoring shooting to get closer to the enemy, but that stopping and shooting at the closest unit, even if it is your own, has bitten me too many times just because the supporting unit for the dread accidentally ended up just slightly farther ahead than planned and in the fire arc for the weapon.

The existing chaos mutation sprue is still interesting, but old. Some more variations on that theme would be awesome to see. When I play chaos my armies are already an odd combination of CSM, entries from the Lost and the Damned list in the Eye of Terror codex and forgeworld chaos warmachines and the like. Be nice to see that play style become standard if cultists appear in the new book.

Skriker

KingDeath wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Standard Chaos Space Marines aren't getting new models. Their current sculpts are from the current CSM codex release, and are frankly pretty good kits with lots of options. The only new standard Chaos Marine models I would expect to see are in the starter set, and rumor has it they will be Chosen anyway.

This would be a pity. The current ones are both boring looking and of a bad cast quality. For the prices GW is charging one could expect more.

With the prices they charge you'd expect them to be made of gold.

LoneLictor wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Huge Space Marines fanboy? My favorite faction is I Guard, and Genestealer Cult next I just like modeling Space Marines because they're fun and have all kinds of potential. Plus, they're easy to convert.

Calm down. The bolters look goofy to me. It's because I was a real Marine and I know how guns work. It's not that big of a deal. Why you so mad? LOL

So you want a realistic 40k is what you're saying? And why do you assume anyone who disagrees with you is mad? In every argument you're in you get super defensive and start acting extremely patronizing and then bringing up your military service as some sort of shield.

But, back to your desire for realism. Alright, let's get rid of...

1. Power Weapons
2. Warp Travel
3. All Xenos Factions
4. All Chaos Factions
5. The Emperor
6. The Primarchs

Okay. Yeah, that sounds like a much better 40k.

You don't get it. At all. (Unsurprising).

I just don't like the models for Chaos bolters because they don't make sense. Power swords? I don't know how they would, or should work, so why do I care about their realism? Same with Warp travel.

There are certain things to wave away as fantastech. Guns that work on basic modern principles (magazine fed, shoulder fired projectile weapons), they have a higher bar to clear.

And no, not everyone who disagrees with me is mad. You are. I recognize your nickname from arguing with me in the past. I know the butthurt is strong with you, and it's evident in the way you came at me guns blazing with personal attacks when I didn't say a word to you. LOL. What, did you think your reputation didn't precede you? I wasn't defensive. I just made fun of your angry, childish jibbering.

Rule Number One is "be polite." ~ Manchu

DeffDred wrote:I'd like to see:
Plastic Deathguard, Noise Marines and Thousand Sons.

Plastic Dread w/ Variant models (since loyalists get like 13 different dreadnought kits...)

Plastic Havocs, Obliterators and Raptors.

I dont see the Deathguard or Raptors, as they just got turned to finecast last year. I am really hoping for CSM and Havocs and then another cult troop(noise or Tsons). Perhaps a Tson/Zerker kit could be made?

More shoulder pads would be nice. Legion, champions, and other renegades. I prefer 3D or sculpted pads to using transfers.

The current Chaos Troop kit is pretty good, actually.

Plastic Havocks kit similar to the Devastator kit would be nice. However, I picked up 4 packs of the Forge World pre-heresy Heavy Weapons packs for my Chaos Marine Havocks.

Plastic Dreadnoughts would be great, but I really like the Forge World ones.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Huge Space Marines fanboy? My favorite faction is I Guard, and Genestealer Cult next I just like modeling Space Marines because they're fun and have all kinds of potential. Plus, they're easy to convert.

Calm down. The bolters look goofy to me. It's because I was a real Marine and I know how guns work. It's not that big of a deal. Why you so mad? LOL

So you want a realistic 40k is what you're saying? And why do you assume anyone who disagrees with you is mad? In every argument you're in you get super defensive and start acting extremely patronizing and then bringing up your military service as some sort of shield.

But, back to your desire for realism. Alright, let's get rid of...

1. Power Weapons
2. Warp Travel
3. All Xenos Factions
4. All Chaos Factions
5. The Emperor
6. The Primarchs

Okay. Yeah, that sounds like a much better 40k.

You don't get it. At all. (Unsurprising).

I just don't like the models for Chaos bolters because they don't make sense. Power swords? I don't know how they would, or should work, so why do I care about their realism? Same with Warp travel.

There are certain things to wave away as fantastech. Guns that work on basic modern principles (magazine fed, shoulder fired projectile weapons), they have a higher bar to clear.

And no, not everyone who disagrees with me is mad. You are. I recognize your nickname from arguing with me in the past. I know the butthurt is strong with you, and it's evident in the way you came at me guns blazing with personal attacks when I didn't say a word to you. LOL. What, did you think your reputation didn't precede you? I wasn't defensive. I just made fun of your angry, childish jibbering.

Rule Number One is "be polite." ~ Manchu

You are a real marine and know how guns work?

Are you a real Space Marine and know how bolters work?

I'm a real artist. And I know how artistic license works.

Jes Goodwin designed the bolters the way he wanted. Silly or not, they "work".

kronk wrote:More shoulder pads would be nice. Legion, champions, and other renegades. I prefer 3D or sculpted pads to using transfers.

The current Chaos Troop kit is pretty good, actually.

Plastic Havocks kit similar to the Devastator kit would be nice. However, I picked up 4 packs of the Forge World pre-heresy Heavy Weapons packs for my Chaos Marine Havocks.

Plastic Dreadnoughts would be great, but I really like the Forge World ones.

A plastic dread would be in addition to the forge world ones. Nothing is going to change what forge world makes.

Oh, I'm certainly aware of that! I'm just saying that I really like the look of the Forge World ones. A plastic Chaos Dreadnought kit would have to be super bitchin' for me to get it instead, if that makes any sense.

Personally, I would prioritise in this order the models in most desperate need of a new cast:

1. Chaos Dreadnought
2. Khorne Beserkers
3. Chaos Space Marines/Havocs
4. Power Armour Lord
5. Thousand Sons
6. Emperor's Children
7. Raptors
8. Abaddon
9. Obliterators
10. Plague Marines

CAN'T WAIT!

I'd personally like to see a power-armour character kit that can be assembled for either any of the 4 gods or as undivided. There should also be a multi-part plastic PA Sorcerer (4 builds, Undivided plus each god except for Khrone).

The present sorcerer sculpts have actually aged rather well - far better than the power armoured lords and champions, in fact.

Well, we are currently either outright missing a model kit for, or else need plastic'ing of the following from our current codex;
(note, not including any characters, since there's only 4 plastic character kits currently available in 40k!)

- Chosen
- Dreadnought
- 1k sons
- Noise Marines
- Plague Marines
- Raptors
- Havocs
- Oblits

That doesn't inlcude the plastics that could do with a re-sculpt which includes the Khorne 'Zerkers, (who are just tired and sad looking now), and the Termies who need a huge re-working of their wargear options to be a more viable purchase!

Then add on all the new units we're likely to get...

I think Eldar & Sisters are the only ones who share in our lack of (reletively) cheap options.

English Assassin wrote:

The one thing I'd dearly love, being very fond of the Rogue Trader-era Chaos marines, to see (though I hold out little hope) would be a sprue of more plastic (or even finecrap) mutation bits.

Doesn't the Possessed-Kit deliver? Even comes with the starter box and few people actually use them to build actual Possessed (in 5th anyhow).

English Assassin wrote:The present sorcerer sculpts have actually aged rather well - far better than the power armoured lords and champions, in fact.

the sorcerer with plasma pistol is among my favorite models in the game. It was sculpted in the early 90s or something.

Plastic dread and raptors have been talked about a lot. I imagine a plastic cult kit similiar to the death company, space wolves boxes perhaps.

Plastic oblits would be legend though who knows really.....

Exergy wrote:

English Assassin wrote:The present sorcerer sculpts have actually aged rather well - far better than the power armoured lords and champions, in fact.

the sorcerer with plasma pistol is among my favorite models in the game. It was sculpted in the early 90s or something.

1996, to coincide with Chaos Marines for 2nd ed, if memory serves - so they're not quite as 'vintage' as Ragnar, Dante and a few other character sculpts. I was recently fortunate enough to find all three sorcerers - albeit in varying states of horribly-painted - second-hand. After a bath in Dettol, the application of a millimetre of greenstuff to the soles of their boots, and slightly taller scenic bases, they fit in perfectly with modern traitor marines.

Plastic Dreadnoughts would be great, but I really like the Forge World ones.

I want to buy one for my Black Legion army but when I look at the head it makes me sick. I hope the new one will not have that head.

In the name of all that is unholy, they must get rid of the tap dancing skullfaces. If they could do for the Berserkers what they did for the Bloodletters, I'd be happy.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Exergy wrote:I agree with the scaling problem and the ammo but I kind of like the pushed to the edge nature of the chaos marines. They dont have the imperium supporting them so they might not have enough ammo to get through the whole fight. They might scavenge some. If I can believe deep striking terminators and power weapons I can believe the trator marines have some way to reload their weapons, possibly with different caliber shells from belts, drums, or mags.

No, I mean, literally, how they put more ammunition in the weapon. Belt fed weapons typically have a feed tray. Which means you lay the belt across it with the first link over the chamber. Then, when you pull back the charging handle to cycle that first round on the belt into the weapon, there's a mechanism to grab it. Gravity plays a huge part in this process, as in gravity keeps the belts flat on the tray while you put the cover back down. The bolters the Chaos Marines have show the belts hanging out of the magazine well. Which means a new belt would have to be dangled into the magazine well, while the weapon was held upside down. Not really very efficient and would actually take three arms to do easily (hmm, mutation time? haha). Then the question remains about the links. Most belt fed weapons discard the links out their own opening, but not all. Typically straight down, because well, gravity is free and doesn't require maintenance. So the bolter both feeding ammo, and ejecting links, out of the same port (in this case, the magazine well). That's a nightmare for jams, lol. However, the whole idea begs the question of "why?". Belted ammunition has its advantages, but not for a weapon like the bolt rifle. Plus, when we're talking about Chaos Marines and their limited logistics, belt links are now another item you have to continuously scavenge or manufacture (not difficult, but an unnecessary step), and then you have to assemble the belts, and well, that's an absurdly time consuming process to do by hand.

These are the problems with playing wargames and having been a Marine. I think too much about these things.

BTW: a cool, if a little dry, video that shows the cycle of operations for the standard NATO 7.62x51mm machine gun.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Phragonist wrote:
You're looking for realism... in 40k? I think you're looking at the wrong game, if you're going to look that way. Sure, the warp, daemonic mutations, all that other off the wall stuff, and you focus on the gun loading mechanism not being realistic? Maybe the guns are daemonically possessed to load correctly

You're welcome to that belief. To me, they look stupid. I know more about guns than you do. /shrug

I am a Marine too and I'll tell you you are looking way too much into it. lol I'm guessing by the OCD with your models realism you were either a doorkicker or an armorer. Its cool that you want THAT much realizm in your models but really how many people are going to appreaciate and notice such minute details besides yourself? lol Nobody. To me the chain belts, spiky armor, and rediculously oversized weapons look much cooler than if they were say a tiny dinky realistic assault rifle or side arm and I think most other people feel the same way. You find satifaction in realism, I find it in the fact of how unrealistic it is from my job that its an escape, but to each his own.

Got to ask do you paint your models in digipattern and give them an obsene amount of extra grear too? Its sci-fi/fantasy game... not COD.

Back on topic just give me the dread, raptors, oblits, and all new special characters. The models for all of which look terrible.

English Assassin wrote:

Exergy wrote:

English Assassin wrote:The present sorcerer sculpts have actually aged rather well - far better than the power armoured lords and champions, in fact.

the sorcerer with plasma pistol is among my favorite models in the game. It was sculpted in the early 90s or something.

1996, to coincide with Chaos Marines for 2nd ed, if memory serves - so they're not quite as 'vintage' as Ragnar, Dante and a few other character sculpts. I was recently fortunate enough to find all three sorcerers - albeit in varying states of horribly-painted - second-hand. After a bath in Dettol, the application of a millimetre of greenstuff to the soles of their boots, and slightly taller scenic bases, they fit in perfectly with modern traitor marines.

Im bathing some Raptors in Super Clean that look like they were painted in house paint. Its that thick.