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2012/08/12 12:54:00
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Just as the question says...with the following conditions.
1) You can choose which age you will be, from which point onwards you will not age.
2) You don't get sick.
3) You cannot die. AT ALL. Even if your body is destroyed, your energy will reform and restore your body to normal condition.
4) You will have limited ability to manipulate probability relative to yourself so long as do not negate your immortality.
5) You can choose to make one other person immortal, just one.
6) Whether you mate with an immortal or not, your children will be mortal.
7) Even if the universe dies, you will survive (and with your limited probability alteration, you could make your own pocket universe).
I accept immortality...will you?
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/12 12:57:43
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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Unquestionably.
I already feel concerned about losing my strength and Im only 32 but Im a little slower than I was at 22. The idea of being frail and weak frightens me, so If I would stay at 25 for my whole life, I would jump at the chance, and feth the consequences. 
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2012/08/12 13:00:35
Subject: Re:[Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I won't. I rather go to Elysium. Why would I want to outlive all my immediate family.
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2012/08/12 13:00:55
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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mattyrm wrote:Unquestionably. I already feel concerned about losing my strength and Im only 32 but Im a little slower than I was at 22. The idea of being frail and weak frightens me, so If I would stay at 25 for my whole life, I would jump at the chance, and feth the consequences.
As I said, even if you're 92, and you wish to be immortal with the body of an 18 year old, so be it. Me, I'm 19, and I wish to be immortal with a body of a 28 year old male at peak physical condition.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/12 13:10:11
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Huge Hierodule
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Yes yes yes. Oh, the havoc I could wreak...
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Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
 buddha wrote:I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
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2012/08/12 13:11:01
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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With those caveats, probably.
It would suck not being able to end my life when I wanted to ,but at the same time, I'm a rather laid back person... not one of those people who HAVE to be doing something or they'll go insane.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/08/12 13:15:26
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Squigsquasher wrote:Yes yes yes. Oh, the havoc I could wreak...
You do realize you can alter only the probabilities of those possibilities that are connected to you, right? If an event has no connection to you, your powers will not function.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/12 13:16:37
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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You may go insane after a while.
But then again, sanity is for the weak...
Not to mention after a couple of million years you may get it together again and live for many billion more years quite happily until the universe ends and you can then make your own.
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2012/08/12 13:20:53
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Huge Hierodule
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Tadashi wrote:Squigsquasher wrote:Yes yes yes. Oh, the havoc I could wreak...
You do realize you can alter only the probabilities of those possibilities that are connected to you, right? If an event has no connection to you, your powers will not function.
I know. But I'd be immortal. I could take on the army. I could rule the world.
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Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote:I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
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2012/08/12 13:21:33
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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With those rules I'm sure most people would go with yes, the "altering probabilities" and "making your own universe" are somewhat overkill 
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2012/08/12 13:21:57
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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SilverMK2 wrote:You may go insane after a while.
But then again, sanity is for the weak...
Not to mention after a couple of million years you may get it together again and live for many billion more years quite happily until the universe ends and you can then make your own.
What was the guy's name...ah yes. Doctor Paradox...he went insane for a million years, got bored, learned all he could and became an instinctive time traveler. Yeah, you would probably gain more abilities apart from the regular Human abilities and probability alteration you started out with.
BTW, for those people who won't accept because you fear the loss of your loved ones, keep in mind that while you cannot make all of them immortal, you can make one other person immortal. So you get immortality and eternal love. Just perfect...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/12 13:25:02
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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I would use my probability powers to prevent the heat death of the universe!
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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My blog |
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2012/08/12 13:26:12
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Eccentricity would just keep it interesting. I'd go for it unquestionably. There's a lot you could probably do if you can't die.
The bigger question of it all would be who else to make immortal. Do you act humble and use all the extra time to help everyone or do you mention you can make just one person immortal and watch the world clamer at your feet? Or do you walk around going "I remember when that [object] was a [old object]"? Automatically Appended Next Post: Melissia wrote:I would use my probability powers to prevent the heat death of the universe!
Depends, can you extend it in such a way as to not save the donkey-caves.
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2012/08/12 13:28:10
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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Melissia wrote:I would use my probability powers to prevent the heat death of the universe!
I'd use them to set myself up to win the lottery, then ensure my investments etc were extremely successful. After a few decades/however long it took I would start heavily investing in human genetic modification so that I'd be able to have fun powers and abilities for all time
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2012/08/12 13:29:58
Subject: Re:[Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Not only would I accept it, I would sacrifice as many people as need be in pursuit of it without hesitation.
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2012/08/12 13:31:58
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Oh, and I forgot to add this...you can't negate free will. Sorry.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/12 13:34:26
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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But you can suppress it probably if you wanted. Make them think they chose what they wanted to choose when in fact it was set up to make them choose what you wanted them to the entire time; giving the illusion of free will.
As for sacrifices, well I guess you could trick it by going for scum only.
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2012/08/12 13:37:33
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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n0t_u wrote:But you can suppress it probably if you wanted. Make them think they chose what they wanted to choose when in fact it was set up to make them choose what you wanted them to the entire time; giving the illusion of free will.
As for sacrifices, well I guess you could trick it by going for scum only.
True, while you can't overcome your limitations directly, you can go around them and surpass them (some of it, anyway) indirectly.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/12 13:38:10
Subject: Re:[Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Jihadin wrote:I won't. I rather go to Elysium. Why would I want to outlive all my immediate family.
Ah well, see it all depends on if there is an Elysium or not doesn't it?
I doubt there is, and It would be immortality anyway if you were sentient and there forever wouldn't it?
If It was proven that a heaven existed, then I might just fething die instead, because wouldn't it be pretty much the same thing?
If there is a heaven, you aren't going to remain the same age you were at time of death are you?
I mean, it would be cool if you got hit by a bus at 19, but most of us would be wandering around Elysium in a wheelchair, with tubes stuck up our arses and IV drips on wheels following us. 
Which was always my issue with the digitally remastered star wars, when they all rock up at the party at the end of episode 6, why is Darth Vadar young again (that annoying fething actor out of Jumper) but Obi Wan is still old as feth?
Surely when he died he would opt to come back at 25 (Ewan McGregor) as well wouldn't he?!
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2012/08/12 13:40:40
Subject: Re:[Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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mattyrm wrote:Surely when he died he would opt to come back at 25 (Ewan McGregor) as well wouldn't he?!
They are planning on fixing all these issues in the re-re-re-re-re-re-this-is-the-last-one-honest-we-really-mean-it-this-time-re-re-mastered version (now with extra Jar-Jar Binks).
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2012/08/12 13:50:21
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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To make this more interesting, what would be your pocket universe look like?
Mine would be a northern land, where snowy mountains reach upwards towards the hopeful heavens, where grass and flowers bloom in spring, clear nights with brilliant stars singing of eternity at summer, rich harvests at autumn, and joyful festivities at winter. Elves and Men live in peace in a pre-Industrial state, and I can wander the world as I see fit and just enjoy myself without any of the worries that preoccupy our modern world.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/12 13:55:12
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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Tadashi wrote:To make this more interesting, what would be your pocket universe look like?
Given that it is likely to be many billion years in the future, I have no idea what this universe would look like - by then I assume I would be a very different being to that which I am now.
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2012/08/12 13:59:18
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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If I could be immortal in the world of Milo Morai I would absolutely do it.
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2012/08/12 13:59:18
Subject: Re:[Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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azazel the cat wrote:Not only would I accept it, I would sacrifice as many people as need be in pursuit of it without hesitation.
This, I would gladly sacrifice the entire human race to achieve immortality, a few billion souls is pocket change to become god
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2012/08/12 14:00:30
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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SilverMK2 wrote:Tadashi wrote:To make this more interesting, what would be your pocket universe look like?
Given that it is likely to be many billion years in the future, I have no idea what this universe would look like - by then I assume I would be a very different being to that which I am now.
Ha! We walk with the form of puny Humans, but those with talents and sensitivities can sense the aura of power around us. We will be like the Great Old Ones of H.P. Lovecraft, and worlds tremble at our touch - but if I'm not wreaking havok amongst the stars, I will most likely be sleeping the days away or just enjoying myself in the Northern Lands. AustonT wrote:If I could be immortal in the world of Milo Morai I would absolutely do it.
Then make a pocket universe like it. 
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/12 14:27:38
Subject: Re:[Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Probably. It'd be nice and it would totally change your perspective on things-for one, who needs to get caught up in politics when all of this generation of politicians will be dead and gone in relatively no time at all. It would suck in some ways-if you make your current love/partner immortal, you cannot make anyone else immortal, even if you realize that you cannot stand your partner and find a new one.
Also, my pocket universe has already been created. I even have maps drawn out. Care to see?
_Tim?
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2012/08/12 14:31:37
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Yes. Feth yes. And I know exactly who I'm taking with me.
As for my pocket universe...
Hello Armageddon.
Hey, why not two? I'm thinking somewhere nice, and Armageddon. You know that Guardsman that one-shots a Hive tyrant? Or Falcon punches a Greater Daemon of Khorne? Yeah, that's me.
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Pretre: OOOOHHHHH snap. That's like driving away from hitting a pedestrian.
Pacific:First person to Photoshop a GW store into the streets of Kabul wins the thread.
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2012/08/12 14:32:32
Subject: Re:[Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote: Also, my pocket universe has already been created. I even have maps drawn out. Care to see?
_Tim?
Sure
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2012/08/12 14:32:35
Subject: [Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Who voted no? Why?
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Pretre: OOOOHHHHH snap. That's like driving away from hitting a pedestrian.
Pacific:First person to Photoshop a GW store into the streets of Kabul wins the thread.
Selym: "Be true to thyself, play Chaos" - Jesus, Daemon Prince of Cegorach.
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2012/08/12 14:32:40
Subject: Re:[Poll]Is Immortality Worth It?
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Just hope that a metor does not crash into the earth and set life back to small reptiles and rodents.
Life would be pretty boring watching them from millions of years.
On a serious note -- if humanity were immortal, we would have some big problems
- We would use up all the space on the earth very quickly, food resources would become a problem.
- We would never evolve. Evolution happens for a reason.
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