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See I was thinking no until you mentioned the whole pocket universe thing. I was worried that an asteroid hits the earth, pretty much wrecking everything, no more people, no more water, but worst of all no breathable air. You would constantly be dying and coming back to life... Unless you make your own universe. And I would do that right away.

But wouldent it get boring after a few thousand years? "Oh geez Im bored of this universe so lets make another one... Oh wait. Ive made one exactly like this one a thousand years back." That would get boring. But if you could make your own pocket universe you could simulate death right? As in Im not dead. But its like Im dead.

And as for the age, I think being a teenager would be fine. I mean thats the age I am now. I dont think I would have a problem like that.

Tadashi wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:Real-world answer?
Nah. I've got people I care about, and I wouldn't want to see them grow old and die while I remained the same age indefinitely. I'd prefer to do things, or create things for which I'll be remembered after I'm gone. That's immortality enough for me.

Dead is boring, ordinary and Human - I'd rather surpass Humanity and become something more than remain an ordinary Human and a mere plaything of the universe....

This is adolescent thinking. Humans are, as far as we know for sure, the only sapient species, and thus the most powerful beings that exist, outside of our deities.

Humanity is only boring before you learn about it and start to understand it.

I think that watching people you care about age and die would be terrible, but the good you could do with unlimited time, a regenerating body (you could test EVERYTHING which needed testing with no ethical issues, imagine how much science would benefit). You would also be able to just donate organs and blood like crazy, you choose to be a healthy 25 year old immortal, then let them kill you and take your kidneys liver heart everything 30 or 40 times, imagine the people you would save! Drain every skerrick of blood form your body a whole bunch of times, Red Cross Blood issues will be closer to being resolved.

And all this without any kind of penalty (Apart from having to regenerate back to that perfect 25 year old body, or whatever is best for healthy organs and life. Oh the horror). I'd demand a house with a super library in it as payment though. And in and around helping people, you have all the time in the world to do whatever you want (in my case, live in my super library).

It would be even better if you were some kind of science whiz (although I guess with all that time, anyone could really get there).

Probably most of all, I would finish painting my gorramn guard. Haha nah I'm kidding, I'd keep buying more.

And am I correct and figuring you are eternal Captain Jack style?

Mannahnin wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:Real-world answer?
Nah. I've got people I care about, and I wouldn't want to see them grow old and die while I remained the same age indefinitely. I'd prefer to do things, or create things for which I'll be remembered after I'm gone. That's immortality enough for me.

Dead is boring, ordinary and Human - I'd rather surpass Humanity and become something more than remain an ordinary Human and a mere plaything of the universe....

This is adolescent thinking. Humans are, as far as we know for sure, the only sapient species, and thus the most powerful beings that exist, outside of our deities.

Humanity is only boring before you learn about it and start to understand it.

Well, kinda and no. The will to transcend our current nature is very human. In a weird etymological way, the posthuman or transhuman is very much human. Of course, we'd rather think about the most absolute transcendance (such as the one offered here) than about midway solutions like anti-senescence.

The criticism of 'this is adolescent thinking' might well apply to Tadashi's conception of transhumanity, but it's an unfair critic when leveled at more serious attempts to conceive of the posthuman. Bostrom got psychanalysed as 'having a incapacity to cope with sexuality and death cycle as the natural mean for the continuation of humanity'' and I think that's just dumb. Extending our nature is exactly what culture is all about. So what if one day we transcend mortality? We'll just have to cope with its repercussion then.

Immortality as an 18-28 year old would be good enough. Manipulating space and time and outliving the universe is excessive.

Amaya wrote:Immortality as an 18-28 year old would be good enough. Manipulating space and time and outliving the universe is excessive.

Dying with the universe disqualifies you from being immortal, since immortals are supposed to be immune from death. COMPLETELY.

Meh, I'd finally have my quiet time.

Honestly, tho, if you want to make this an interesting question, you have to set a disadvantage to it.

The question, ''Would you like to be God?'' is a fairly easy one to answer.

Kovnik Obama wrote:Meh, I'd finally have my quiet time.

Honestly, tho, if you want to make this an interesting question, you have to set a disadvantage to it.

The question, ''Would you like to be God?'' is a fairly easy one to answer.

There are disadvantages:

1) You can only make one person immortal, just one.
2) Regardless of whether the mother/father of your children is immortal or mortal, the children will be mortal.

And you are not obliged to take responsibility for your powers...you can choose to be a god and take responsibility, or be like the Great Old Ones of H.P. Lovecraft and use your powers for your own ends.

when you put in the one other person clause it was a for fething sure


first thing you do is find an awesome woman, make her your partner and get a vasectomy. You can adopt kids if you want them. Imagine the wealth you could amass in 100 lifetimes. I'd imagine at some point you would rule this planet, I wanna be The Emprah

I would take it pretty quickly.

I would make it my goal to help advance the human race as fast as possible. Get us out there in the stars, find other hospitable planets.

As my side gig, Super Hero.

DIDM wrote:

...get a vasectomy.

Whatever for?

BTW, immortal women don't get menopause...probability alteration, remember? Assuming, of course, they remember to use it.

I say sex after a couple hundred yrs would be.....boring.....then you start experimenting with same sex...then wild sex...to insane sex...to whatever pleasure that would pique your interest. After a while your best friend Slaneesh just can't keep up

Seriously; Time Enough For Love covers this really well. Without the super powers, though.

Thought Iron Druid kind of covered immortality quite well with today mentality. One seriously have to emotionaly detached from the world to make it through the world. Would one develope a "God complex" just to fool around with the masses

Mannahnin wrote:Seriously; Time Enough For Love covers this really well. Without the super powers, though.

Curiosity = peaked.

Thanks

"Piqued".

But thanks!

Better even, I learn of a new book AND of the correct way to write a word ^^

Tadashi wrote:
Dead is boring, ordinary and Human - I'd rather surpass Humanity and become something more than remain an ordinary Human and a mere plaything of the universe...and anyway, I already tell myself "Only Humans and other mortals attach any value to the passing of time." .

Yeah, we'll have this conversation again when you've grown up a bit and are out of your "I wish 40k was real and I was the Emperor" stage.

And by the way, you are both human and mortal, and will never be anything more, so make the most of it! Being one of us mortals is a lot more fun once you stop having wet dreams about being the immortal Lord of Time and Space.

Hell yes! I'm scared of death. Honestly the thought of it has kept be awake at night on occasion for my entire life. More so I guess, when I was kid I thought about dying a lot. Knowing it would never happen, that I would always be, it'd be such a liberating feeling.

Besides there aren't any drawbacks. I'm still limited in my ability experience things by the normal human rate at which I go places, talk to people and do things. The world will always be generating new experiences at a faster rate than I can consume them. With an ability to create my own pocket universe at the end of time (or even if I guess I just get stuck floating through space at some point) I don't have to worry about some of the more grim end fates.

Maybe if we have an apocalypse and humanity survives and comes back out in the stone ages, I can spend a few hundred years playing god. Just for the lulz.

Hell yes! I'm scared of death

Your just scared of the transition

hmmm...i voted no, but that is because there is no possible way that humanity would last forever. and as stated, the universe may not be around forever, at least in a way that we can percieve, and so surviving forever would get really old and would probably lose its meaning and you would eventually go insane as eternity is a long time lol

Chongara wrote:The world will always be generating new experiences at a faster rate than I can consume them.

I'm only 26 and often find myself feeling world-weary. Trust me, novelty doesn't last long. Eventually everything becomes predictable.

Moreover, if you literally cannot die, you'll never know what happens when other people do. I imagine that mystery would eventually become maddening.

I really don't know whether I'd go for it or not.... After a few hundred years, you'd have absolutely NO friends except the othe person you chose. (If you still get along with her/him). I mean, could you still befreind someone if you knew they'd just die in no time (compared to your life-span). At the start of the next millenium, 99.9% of all the people you'll have ever met will be dead. yay.
Then, there is evolution... The effects might not be apparent in the first ten millenia I guess, but mankind could evolve to something FAR greater than what we are now. You'd be like a dim-witted monkey to them lol....but then again, you'll have a lot of time to learn and get real wise...
And it would get reaaaaaaaly boring. After a billion years you'll not even have lived through a billionth of your life.You'll go crazy.
But then again, you go do all kinds of awesome things.... Like have the NASA build you a spaceship and send you to the next galaxy for reconnaisance... hell, you could visit EVERY galaxy! And you could gain unlimited knowledge... imagine what kind of musician you'd be after 10.000 years of practice.... instant eargasm with any instrument lol.
Oh and being immune to death you could take skydiving and the like to a whole new level.... You no longer need a chute, and you no longer need to start at only 6km.... how about the ISS? Think about all the risky things you could to!

rubiksnoob wrote:

And by the way, you are both human and mortal, and will never be anything more, so make the most of it! Being one of us mortals is a lot more fun once you stop having wet dreams about being the immortal Lord of Time and Space.

That's BS...its kinda saying I shouldn't even dream or hope to be more than I am. Maybe all science students should just drop and be factory workers, because, hey, we're just Human, we'll never amount to anything more, so what's the point of even trying to get better? If that's the case, why don't we just go back to the Stone Age while we're at it?

I really hate fatalists and determinists...things like pre-determined fate, or "You're just a ______ so stop dreaming of becoming more." is either used by those too cowardly to take control of their fates, or those afraid of the dreams of other people because they cannot handle the idea of change.

There are attainable dreams, and unattainable dreams.

Mannahnin wrote:There are attainable dreams, and unattainable dreams.

The only thing that is impossible...is impossible. Once they said the world was flat...Magellan took the risk and proved them wrong. They said Galileo was wrong about planets orbiting the sun and moons orbiting Jupiter...now we know he is right. There are means to achieve biological immortality in theory...even if it isn't to the extent in this thread, it is there. I choose to follow that dream and seek to make it real...its my choice, not yours, not any fatalist, only mine. And choice is the only true freedom in this world.

I can hardly keep myself occupied on tuesdays. An eternity of tuesdays? I'm sure I could last a hundred years. A thousand, maybe. At that point I would no longer be doing it for myself, I would be doing it for those people who needed me. A few thousand years later, I am no longer needed. I have my one companion. One. And I am to trust we never become enemies over the course of a thousand years. Why? Because we are the only two of our kind? That isn't a bond of love, it's slavery. A few million years later, we'll have developed a way out of this universe, so I won't have to watch it die. Me an my companion will be together, maybe, under whatever circumstances, speaking the same words, doing the same thing, everyday.

Long before then I would have stopped making friends. Stopped connecting with humanity on any kind of personal level. Why? because I wouldn't have the potential for reuniting with them beyond the veil. Once they are gone, they are well and truly gone. My family, the people who created me, would be a distant memory.

Eventually, humanity would probably end, in one way or another. End, or evolve. And then my companion and I would be truly alone. But it doesn't end there. It keeps going, and going, and going. Forever.

I don't care what sort of god-like powers you gave me, or anything you could dress it up with, I would never take it. When the time comes, I intend to welcome death with open arms.

xole wrote:I can hardly keep myself occupied on tuesdays. An eternity of tuesdays? I'm sure I could last a hundred years. A thousand, maybe. At that point I would no longer be doing it for myself, I would be doing it for those people who needed me. A few thousand years later, I am no longer needed. I have my one companion. One. And I am to trust we never become enemies over the course of a thousand years. Why? Because we are the only two of our kind? That isn't a bond of love, it's slavery. A few million years later, we'll have developed a way out of this universe, so I won't have to watch it die. Me an my companion will be together, maybe, under whatever circumstances, speaking the same words, doing the same thing, everyday.

Long before then I would have stopped making friends. Stopped connecting with humanity on any kind of personal level. Why? because I wouldn't have the potential for reuniting with them beyond the veil. Once they are gone, they are well and truly gone. My family, the people who created me, would be a distant memory.

Eventually, humanity would probably end, in one way or another. End, or evolve. And then my companion and I would be truly alone. But it doesn't end there. It keeps going, and going, and going. Forever.

I don't care what sort of god-like powers you gave me, or anything you could dress it up with, I would never take it. When the time comes, I intend to welcome death with open arms.

Well, since you're all-powerful, you could just build a freezer that keeps you asleep.... but then again, it'll have to be repaired every now and then, so you'll be repairing, and repairing, and repairing..... yeah, eternity sucks.

Depends on your mindset...me, I'm alive and eternally young, have all the time in the universe and more to learn about literally EVERYTHING, I have a regenerating factor (and more, thanks to probability alteration), and maybe even eternal love (well, not a given, but its a possibility). On those notes, living forever is AWESOME.

My idea of hell is an eternal wait for something which never comes. Once you've done everything there is to do then that's where you would find yourself, I don't care how many films Peter Jackson can squeeze out of the Silmarilion.

Tadashi wrote:Once they said the world was flat...Magellan took the risk and proved them wrong.

That's a myth. Only morons believed that the world was flat in the time of Magellan or Collumbus before him.