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Looks like hours are being cut at this college for 400 employees to avoid Obamacare with a statement saying other colleges are expected to follow suit:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/20/ccac-obamacare_n_2165383.html

My answer is almost canned at this point: form unions.

 azazel the cat wrote:
My answer is almost canned at this point: form unions.

We have unions, we need socialized healthcare.

Plus the first time I read that I saw:

azazel the cat wrote: form unicorns

And also I hear they ration healthcare in Canada.

Unicorns would definitely be a better way to go. But in their absence, unions will have to do.

I am beginning to think that Relapse is a bot.

Palindrome wrote:
I am beginning to think that Relapse is a bot.

I wonder what his next week's Obamacare thread will be on.

We ration unicorns in Canada.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
We ration unicorns in Canada.

Canada is also an oil free nation (making it very environmentally friendly), our cars are powered by maple syrup that's why Canada smells so nice all the time.

 azazel the cat wrote:
My answer is almost canned at this point: form unions.

They have teacher unions, their public sector is 36%+ unionised.



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 Cheesecat wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
We ration unicorns in Canada.

Canada is also an oil free nation (making it very environmentally friendly), our cars are powered by maple syrup that's why Canada smells so nice all the time.

The sad thing is that a lot of people actually believe that we are very environmentally friendly...

I really detest the term Obamacare. For crying out loud, what's so bad about everyone getting free healthcare?

They didn't build it themselves.

We all know that if you didn't build it yourself, you didn't earn it!

Palindrome wrote:
I am beginning to think that Relapse is a bot.

Just given' the reaction to Obamacare from different segments as they roll in, bro. This is the truth of how people are being affected by it. Sorry that the Utopian paradise half the people thought could be legislated in didn't materialize.

Solution: fund education properly so that schools aren't constantly in a budget crisis and forced to cut expenses anywhere (except football, of course) they can just to survive.

Relapse wrote:

Palindrome wrote:
I am beginning to think that Relapse is a bot.

Just given' the reaction to Obamacare from different segments as they roll in, bro. This is the truth of how people are being affected by it. Sorry that the Utopian paradise half the people thought could be legislated in didn't materialize.

Putting it bluntly?

The majority of the "people being affected by it" would have been affected the same way if "Obamacare" had not been rolled out as well.

A college in a budget crisis isn't magically in it as soon as something was going to be put into effect. It's been in that crisis before, likely due to financial mismanagement on the part of the institution and lack of bonds raised locally.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
We ration unicorns in Canada.

Canada is also an oil free nation (making it very environmentally friendly), our cars are powered by maple syrup that's why Canada smells so nice all the time.

The sad thing is that a lot of people actually believe that we are very environmentally friendly...

Honestly, everyone has to get their oil from somewhere, I'd rather we have all the oilwork done here in Canada. It's good for the economy, and at least it's not financing an oil war in the middle-east. The Harper government is doing a terrible job of handling it, but with the proper care, it's better than the alternatives.

 Fafnir wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
We ration unicorns in Canada.

Canada is also an oil free nation (making it very environmentally friendly), our cars are powered by maple syrup that's why Canada smells so nice all the time.

The sad thing is that a lot of people actually believe that we are very environmentally friendly...

Honestly, everyone has to get their oil from somewhere, I'd rather we have all the oilwork done here in Canada. It's good for the economy, and at least it's not financing an oil war in the middle-east. The Harper government is doing a terrible job of handling it, but with the proper care, it's better than the alternatives.

Yeah, we should refine our oil at home before sending it off to other places.

 Fafnir wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
We ration unicorns in Canada.

Canada is also an oil free nation (making it very environmentally friendly), our cars are powered by maple syrup that's why Canada smells so nice all the time.

The sad thing is that a lot of people actually believe that we are very environmentally friendly...

Honestly, everyone has to get their oil from somewhere, I'd rather we have all the oilwork done here in Canada. It's good for the economy, and at least it's not financing an oil war in the middle-east. The Harper government is doing a terrible job of handling it, but with the proper care, it's better than the alternatives.

Well my comment didn't specifically aim at the oil rigs. Frakking is pretty intense, but I doubt it'll have the same environmental impact as the massive woodcuts in northern Quebec.

Hydro also has a massive impact, but limited in time.

The thing is, we often have the impression that we are a rather green country (I certainly know Quebecers often delude themselves in thinking they are greener then the RoC), and it's completely false.

Squigsquasher wrote:I really detest the term Obamacare. For crying out loud, what's so bad about everyone getting free healthcare?

Well, first off, that's not how Obamacare works.

Obamacare forces you to either purchase private health insurance, or else pay a fine. But it also precludes private insurance companies from denying coverage, and legislates them to spend at least 80% of their income on paying out to claims.

It's a step in the right direction, in a general sense. But it is NOT universal healthcare like you & I experience.

 Squigsquasher wrote:
I really detest the term Obamacare. For crying out loud, what's so bad about everyone getting free healthcare?

Who said they are? Obamacare is a law that forces people to buy health insurance.


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 azazel the cat wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:I really detest the term Obamacare. For crying out loud, what's so bad about everyone getting free healthcare?

Well, first off, that's not how Obamacare works.

Obamacare forces you to either purchase private health insurance, or else pay a fine. But it also precludes private insurance companies from denying coverage, and legislates them to spend at least 80% of their income on paying out to claims.

It's a step in the right direction, in a general sense. But it is NOT universal healthcare like you & I experience.

How is forcing people to buy insurance, or taxing them if they don't, thereby removing personal choice on the matter, a step in the right direction?

When did a person making a decision on what they wanted to spend their money on become wrong?

djones520 wrote:

 Squigsquasher wrote:
I really detest the term Obamacare. For crying out loud, what's so bad about everyone getting free healthcare?

Who said they are? Obamacare is a law that forces people to buy health insurance.


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 azazel the cat wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:I really detest the term Obamacare. For crying out loud, what's so bad about everyone getting free healthcare?

Well, first off, that's not how Obamacare works.

Obamacare forces you to either purchase private health insurance, or else pay a fine. But it also precludes private insurance companies from denying coverage, and legislates them to spend at least 80% of their income on paying out to claims.

It's a step in the right direction, in a general sense. But it is NOT universal healthcare like you & I experience.

How is forcing people to buy insurance, or taxing them if they don't, thereby removing personal choice on the matter, a step in the right direction?

When did a person making a decision on what they wanted to spend their money on become wrong?

Do you also disagree with paying taxes?

djones520 wrote:How is forcing people to buy insurance, or taxing them if they don't, thereby removing personal choice on the matter, a step in the right direction?

Because it will give people a sense of what it is like to always have health insurance. It'll give them a taste. And then you'll never, ever be able to take health insurance away from them without a fight. it effectively creates a ratchet effect; the only direction you can move from this point is further towards *real* universal health care.

However, I have already compared Obamacare as a step in the right direction akin to a dog dragging its ass on the carpet as a step towards greyhound racing.

djones520 wrote:When did a person making a decision on what they wanted to spend their money on become wrong?

When that person, and those they were responsible for, consistently suffered as a result of making the wrong choice. But that's antagonistic, so I will also respond with this:

Do you pay taxes?

 Dreadwinter wrote:

djones520 wrote:

 Squigsquasher wrote:
I really detest the term Obamacare. For crying out loud, what's so bad about everyone getting free healthcare?

Who said they are? Obamacare is a law that forces people to buy health insurance.


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 azazel the cat wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:I really detest the term Obamacare. For crying out loud, what's so bad about everyone getting free healthcare?

Well, first off, that's not how Obamacare works.

Obamacare forces you to either purchase private health insurance, or else pay a fine. But it also precludes private insurance companies from denying coverage, and legislates them to spend at least 80% of their income on paying out to claims.

It's a step in the right direction, in a general sense. But it is NOT universal healthcare like you & I experience.

How is forcing people to buy insurance, or taxing them if they don't, thereby removing personal choice on the matter, a step in the right direction?

When did a person making a decision on what they wanted to spend their money on become wrong?

Do you also disagree with paying taxes?

Thank you for pointing out what has been said by conservatives, but denied by Obama, that Obamacare is a tax. It is the single biggest tax increase in U.S. History.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:I really detest the term Obamacare. For crying out loud, what's so bad about everyone getting free healthcare?

Well, first off, that's not how Obamacare works.

Obamacare forces you to either purchase private health insurance, or else pay a fine. But it also precludes private insurance companies from denying coverage, and legislates them to spend at least 80% of their income on paying out to claims.

It's a step in the right direction, in a general sense. But it is NOT universal healthcare like you & I experience.

Yup... this. Kudos.

It's NOT "free" healthcare.

Even your healthcare isn't free (ya'll pay taxes that are earmarked).

What you probably meant to say was no out of pocket healthcare (except, I believe ya'll still pay out of pockets for meds... rigth?)

It's a big TEASE.

Even some of the poor are complaining 'cuz they don't really know what to do... it's a poorly crafted legislation.

Rip it out and start over.


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 azazel the cat wrote:

However, I have already compared Obamacare as a step in the right direction akin to a dog dragging its ass on the carpet as a step towards greyhound racing.

I'm so stealing that! fething hilarious.


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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_ers_74rfAHiGtYU2nHmnlIhotL
See... everyone is noticing this.

Like I said... business will adapt and will be fine. The workers impacted... who knows.

 whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:I really detest the term Obamacare. For crying out loud, what's so bad about everyone getting free healthcare?

Well, first off, that's not how Obamacare works.

Obamacare forces you to either purchase private health insurance, or else pay a fine. But it also precludes private insurance companies from denying coverage, and legislates them to spend at least 80% of their income on paying out to claims.

It's a step in the right direction, in a general sense. But it is NOT universal healthcare like you & I experience.

Yup... this. Kudos.

It's NOT "free" healthcare.

Even your healthcare isn't free (ya'll pay taxes that are earmarked).

What you probably meant to say was no out of pocket healthcare (except, I believe ya'll still pay out of pockets for meds... rigth?)

It's a big TEASE.

Even some of the poor are complaining 'cuz they don't really know what to do... it's a poorly crafted legislation.

Rip it out and start over.


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 azazel the cat wrote:

However, I have already compared Obamacare as a step in the right direction akin to a dog dragging its ass on the carpet as a step towards greyhound racing.

I'm so stealing that! fething hilarious.


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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_ers_74rfAHiGtYU2nHmnlIhotL
See... everyone is noticing this.

Like I said... business will adapt and will be fine. The workers impacted... who knows.

It'll be interesting to see what Obama's popularity rating will be when the true price of Obamacare hits home with and affects more and more people.

I'm sure none of the insights in this thread could possible have been covered in any of these other fascinating threads you've started on Obamacare

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/489079.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/488486.page

Seriously, 3 nearly identical threads in 2 weeks?

Next week: another exciting episode of "What ObamaCare will mean for America." Who will be featured next?

 d-usa wrote:
Next week: another exciting episode of "What ObamaCare will mean for America." Who will be featured next?

The Amish?

 Cheesecat wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Next week: another exciting episode of "What ObamaCare will mean for America." Who will be featured next?

The Amish?

I could be wrong... I believe they're exempt.

EDIT... yup, they're exempt:

the Amish are exempt because they rely on a community ethic that prohibits government intervention. Their communities pay for the costs of their health care.

Still trying to find the actual clause...

Next week, Obamacare is the true cause of Global Climate Change.

 AduroT wrote:
Next week, Obamacare is the true cause of Global Climate Change.

And it foreshadows World War 3 as Obama tries to conquer the world and force everyone under his healthcare system.