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Question is in the title. Which HQ do you use for Chaos and why do you pick them?

Personally, I only run Chaos Lords because I'm cheap and I think the named HQ's cost too many points xD I'm able to fit them up any way I like too for any army I'm trying to fit them into also. They are just way more versatile IMO. I might consider getting Huron after reading all the crazy shenanigans you can pull with him. Abaddon would be a close second since you can take Chosen as a troop choice and he is well, Abaddon! So which HQ(s) do you use and why? What tactical advantages does one HQ bring another doesn't that you like?

Typhus , love the model plague marines and of course zombies acting as meat shields for said marines

I run a Slaanesh army without Noise Marines. I run a daemon prince (no wings) with a bike lord. They spearhead a very fast attack-centric army, so they hit very hard.

Double Flying Daemon Prince.

Or 1 flying Daemon Prince with a Dark Apostle.

I play Word Bearers(so the DP is actually a coryphaus that ascended into daemonhood)

Stick Apostle with 90 cultist. Give 1 unit fearless. The other 2 can use his leadership 10.

I use Huron because of the ridiculous amount of stuff you get from him. I've also used lords, but mostly to unlock khorne berzerkers as troops. Without that need, Huron is beaty enough for me to take a sorcerer for support spells.

Were I a slaanesh player, I'd take lucious every time. armor of shrieking souls is just too awesome to pass up.

kissmymom wrote:
Stick Apostle with 90 cultist. Give 1 unit fearless. The other 2 can use his leadership 10.

Lol That must take forever to move all those cultists xD but that is a ton of attacks for such a few amount of points o.O

Chaos Lord all the way. Very specifically, a Chaos Lord with the Mark of Khorne, plasma pistol, Axe of Blind Fury, heading up a unit of Berzerkers. This guy is too damn effective to leave out (though admittedly I don't have Kharn).

I'll take a Daemon Prince too in larger games where a 2nd HQ is justified.

 Super Ready wrote:
Chaos Lord all the way. Very specifically, a Chaos Lord with the Mark of Khorne, plasma pistol, Axe of Blind Fury, heading up a unit of Berzerkers. This guy is too damn effective to leave out (though admittedly I don't have Kharn).

I'll take a Daemon Prince too in larger games where a 2nd HQ is justified.

Don't bother with Kharn. In the last two games I've had with chaos, he has severely hindered me twice through managing to kill 4 or 5 berzerkers - it just meant that when I finally won the fights, what was left couldn't survive long enough to be useful again. I finished a fight with 2 Berzerkers left - I should've had 7. Including Kharn being able to re-roll 1's for the first turn of cc so you shouldn't lose people on the first turn.

He's still cool though.

One way to handle it is to split Kharn off from his unit before you charge. This has a couple of benefits - one is that Kharn is then more likely to be stuck in combat during the enemy's Shooting phase. The other is that you can engage two units without having to give up the bonus Attack.

But then they don't benefit from his warlord trait :(

I'm trying someone else in my next game. I like Abbadon, but I have the ability to roll a 1 for demon weapons every other turn...

Honestly, I would probably play a Black Legion CSM army with Abaddon as my HQ if his model wasn't so bad... I love the Forge World one but I'm not into paying ~$80 for a single terminator model. One day... maybe.

I'm surprised by the results. I'd like to see a poll like this for the other races too and see if people take the generic HQ(s) over named ones.

PredaKhaine wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
Chaos Lord all the way. Very specifically, a Chaos Lord with the Mark of Khorne, plasma pistol, Axe of Blind Fury, heading up a unit of Berzerkers. This guy is too damn effective to leave out (though admittedly I don't have Kharn).

I'll take a Daemon Prince too in larger games where a 2nd HQ is justified.

Don't bother with Kharn. In the last two games I've had with chaos, he has severely hindered me twice through managing to kill 4 or 5 berzerkers - it just meant that when I finally won the fights, what was left couldn't survive long enough to be useful again. I finished a fight with 2 Berzerkers left - I should've had 7. Including Kharn being able to re-roll 1's for the first turn of cc so you shouldn't lose people on the first turn.

He's still cool though.

Kharn rolls 2+ to hit and then rerolls because of hatred. 1/36 chance of hitting a friendly. How are you killing 4-5 zerkers


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Deiyos wrote:
Question is in the title. Which HQ do you use for Chaos and why do you pick them?

Personally, I only run Chaos Lords because I'm cheap and I think the named HQ's cost too many points xD I'm able to fit them up any way I like too for any army I'm trying to fit them into also. They are just way more versatile IMO. I might consider getting Huron after reading all the crazy shenanigans you can pull with him. Abaddon would be a close second since you can take Chosen as a troop choice and he is well, Abaddon! So which HQ(s) do you use and why? What tactical advantages does one HQ bring another doesn't that you like?

Huron is the best, mainly because he gives you the best warlord trait and is versatile otherwise.

Abby is a beast, and his warlord trait will help you half the time

CL are nice and versatile, lots of options here.

Sorcerers are good, not really because they are all that good but because psykic powers are strong in this edition.

Typhusophiles like zombie flesh, im unconvinced

How come the infiltrate is the best? Isn't it a little sketchy to throw your troops at the gates of the enemy when all your other troops are on the other side of the board? Won't they just die 1st round?

Not if it's a unit of 20 khorne berzerkers of 10 MoN terminators they won't.

Plus, you get D3 units. That could be 40 plague marines and 20 MoN termies. That's an awful lot that's just started 6+" closer than they should have.

Plus, you don't have to only infiltrate forwards. Infiltration can be nice to give to, say, a unit of havocs, so that they deploy in the best position after your opponent has already put their army down.

In some cases, it's actually necessary to ensure that you finish tournament games in a timely manner, and get your unit to do something. I spoke to a guy who regularly runs 210 Plague Zombies at 1850 and he runs Huron as well, because that's 35-105 models outflanking that he doesn't need to move for at least the first turn, and they can end up somewhere useful. .

I use a Chaos Lord (Run as a Dark Apostle because Word Bearers) with the Spineshiver Blade, Sigil, Mark of Slaanesh, Plasma Pistol, Gift of Mutation and VotLW.

I also take a Sorcerer with Sigil, MoS, GoM, Spell Familiar, VotLW and ML3. I usually give him a roll on Biomancy and a toll on Telepathy.

They run together in a rhino with some CSMs.

Nurgle Biker Lord with Claw and Fist for me. Few things are as killy for that price tag.

 acekevin8412 wrote:
Nurgle Biker Lord with Claw and Fist for me. Few things are as killy for that price tag.

I don't play Nurgle but I will definitely have to try this if I do

Deiyos wrote:

 acekevin8412 wrote:
Nurgle Biker Lord with Claw and Fist for me. Few things are as killy for that price tag.

I don't play Nurgle but I will definitely have to try this if I do

Lord+Bike+MoN+Aura+LClaw+PFist
What do you get? T6 so almost Eternal Warrior
Bike gives you a TL Bolter to shoot and great mobility
Claw+Fist gives you 4/5 attacks that can kill MEq or TEq
All this for a bit more than 1/2 a land raider.

The best part is the T6 almost makes you almost untouchable against conventional CC.

Why would you ever take an aura when you could take a sigil? It seems either a matter of taking the right invul save or, in this case, relying on the bike's cover save.

You know, the more I've been thinking about it, the more I'm starting to think that the most appropriate HQ on a bike is a sorcerer, not a lord. Lords are CC guys, and yes, you want them in CC faster, but you're also not going to want to shoot the lord way out in front of everything (even with a small bike or spawn squad) just to have him focused down.

Meanwhile, the sorcs do get that same CC advantage (getting a force weapon, possibly with biomancy powers into assault is a good thing), but they benefit from being with bikers in other ways as well.

If you get invisibility (which, let's be honest, is what you're really fishing for), and you cast it on the bikes, you're looking at a unit with a 2+ cover save. That's right, terminator bikes. Likewise, there are lots of neat spells, especially maledictions, that have to be cast at the beginning of the movement phase. This means you have to have gotten closer in the previous movement phase to be able to cast it on the next one. In fact, there aren't many powers that a sorcerer can take that aren't helped by having a bike, and there are several powers that can help a bike squad.

While a lord is helped to get into CC faster, a sorc is made better at CC AND made into a better support unit as well.

Honestly, i keep going back to my Warpsmith. I just love his versatility and love the model. I never regret taking him. Also the sorc on bike is outstanding.

 Ailaros wrote:
Why would you ever take an aura when you could take a sigil? It seems either a matter of taking the right invul save or, in this case, relying on the bike's cover save.

You know, the more I've been thinking about it, the more I'm starting to think that the most appropriate HQ on a bike is a sorcerer, not a lord. Lords are CC guys, and yes, you want them in CC faster, but you're also not going to want to shoot the lord way out in front of everything (even with a small bike or spawn squad) just to have him focused down.

Meanwhile, the sorcs do get that same CC advantage (getting a force weapon, possibly with biomancy powers into assault is a good thing), but they benefit from being with bikers in other ways as well.

If you get invisibility (which, let's be honest, is what you're really fishing for), and you cast it on the bikes, you're looking at a unit with a 2+ cover save. That's right, terminator bikes. Likewise, there are lots of neat spells, especially maledictions, that have to be cast at the beginning of the movement phase. This means you have to have gotten closer in the previous movement phase to be able to cast it on the next one. In fact, there aren't many powers that a sorcerer can take that aren't helped by having a bike, and there are several powers that can help a bike squad.

While a lord is helped to get into CC faster, a sorc is made better at CC AND made into a better support unit as well.

In the list I was writing, I ran out of points for the Sigil.
Also I've never tried Sorcerer since they don't make Cult units troops but I'll give it a shot next time.

Dark apostle. I run 5 units of cultists. They need one.

I am a Huron Blackheart fan, but then again my Space Marine force in the Tyrants legion so I do it for theme.

@ Acekevin8412; Tzeentch Sorcs DO make Thousand Sons troops.

Juggerlord, or simple Lord with SoC & BBoS
Sorc with telepathy/biomancy; def gonna try gifting him with a bike soon.
Tzeentch Prince w/ Black Mace & Wings.
Huron because win.
Kharn because he really doesn't kill his own troops that often at all, and can kill EVERYTHING else.

i run lord in jug, or daemon prince.

been reading alot of cool things about Huron, gonna have to get me one of those!! the chaos hq department is really.strong i think, it's some of the other things that are lacking.

2 Chaos Lords but so far I've only played 1 gamr with Chaos and only used 1.

Chaos Lord
MoK
VotLW
The Murder Sword
Plasma Pistol
Gift of Mutation
Combat Familiar
Ichor Blood

Chaos Lord
MoK
VotLW
Terminator Armour
AoBF or Power Axe if points in short supply
Gift
Ichor Blood
Combat Familiar.

Why would you take a khorne lord and then give him the murder sword rather than an axe of blind fury?

And, a note with kharn, he has a nuisance-low chance of killing his own guys, but only if he's the warlord. If he's not the warlord, then yeah, it's a real liability. If you want anything else to be your warlord, then dump him in favor of a blind fury axe lord.

I run Undivided so I don't need to bother myself with a marked lord.
This frees me up to take a big nasty prince for a high threat fast moving target to hunt high value targets.

 Ailaros wrote:
Why would you take a khorne lord and then give him the murder sword rather than an axe of blind fury?

And, a note with kharn, he has a nuisance-low chance of killing his own guys, but only if he's the warlord. If he's not the warlord, then yeah, it's a real liability. If you want anything else to be your warlord, then dump him in favor of a blind fury axe lord.

Dark Vengeance model. And I already have a Blind Fury lord.