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The title says it all, it needs little explanation. Let me know thoughts please!

2000 Pts - Codex: Chaos Space Marines Roster

Total Roster Cost: 2000

HQ: Daemon Prince (1#, 265 pts)
1 Daemon Prince + Power Armour + Wings + Daemon of Khorne
1 The Black Mace

HQ: Daemon Prince (1#, 255 pts)
1 Daemon Prince + Power Armour + Wings + Daemon of Khorne
1 The Murder Sword

HQ: Daemon Prince (1#, 255 pts)
1 Daemon Prince + Power Armour + Wings + Daemon of Khorne
1 Axe of Blind Fury

HQ: Kharn the Betrayer (1#, 160 pts)
1 Kharn the Betrayer

Troops: Khorne Berzerkers (8#, 189 pts)
7 Khorne Berzerkers + Chainaxe x3
1 Berzerker Champion + Chainaxe + Plasma Pistol

Troops: Khorne Berzerkers (8#, 171 pts)
7 Khorne Berzerkers + Chainaxe x2
1 Berzerker Champion + Chainaxe 3

Troops: Chaos Cultists (10#, 55 pts)
9 Chaos Cultists + Flamer x1
1 Cultist Champion

Troops: Chaos Cultists (10#, 55 pts)
9 Chaos Cultists + Flamer x1
1 Cultist Champion

Heavy Support: Maulerfiend (1#, 125 pts)
1 Maulerfiend

Heavy Support: Chaos Land Raider (1#, 235 pts)
1 Chaos Land Raider + Dirge Caster

Heavy Support: Chaos Land Raider (1#, 235 pts)
1 Chaos Land Raider + Dirge Caster

Go for broke, 4 FMCs and 4-6 Drakes.

No, I want to keep kharn in (love him and it's Khorne fluffy) and I'm trying to avoid drakes.

 everwynd wrote:
Go for broke, 4 FMCs and 4-6 Drakes.

Awesome idea! It's like putting on a brass knuckles, and then kicking your opponent in the balls.

-Matt

It's too many points in reserve for me. I'm not a flier fan. Drakes are one of my favourites, but I'd rather take FMC's

Deamon of khorne cannot wield the black mace I don't think?

take helldrakes and make it a i know your gonna hate me but im gonna destroy you anyway type of list

Daemons of Khorne most definitely can take the black mace....

You can always take fliers while taking FMC! but that being said by alot of people, you could make a pretty sick normal foc with 3 DP's for 2000 points if you wanted. -if it was agreed on to only do one foc

 chillis wrote:
Sorry Khaine, you're army isn't legal right now. You can ally CSM to the BL CSM, not CSM to CSM (not the same artefacts). Also, why are you doing more then one deamon of khorne? I can understand for the axe but DoT may serve you better. Also you can take FMC with your fliers! And khorne berzerkers can not be troops how you have it set up

C:CSM

Page 92

"Nexus of Khorne: In a primary detachment that includes Khârn, Khorne Berzerkers are troops choices instead of elites."

He is using dual FOCs due to >=2000 pts, not allies.

Yea i didn't really actively read it, i looked back and saw that it was dfoc, before I only saw three DP's and not kharn- i skimmed

3 daemons of Khorne is because it's a Khorne fluffy list. I don't want any of the other gods involved! And I know I can take fliers, I'm saying I don't like them. I'd rather take FMC's, I think they're much better! And more fun.

Them Daemons will make your opponent cry. Granted that, you should make sure that they reach their targets and not run out of enemies to kill in CC.
As soon as they are caught in the open, they WILL be focus fired to agonisingly slow deaths.

I'll add my name to the list of drake lovers. They are just too good to leave behind. Besides, they can Vector Strike so they are sort-of-FMCs

The cultists should either start in reserves or get entrenched in some firm cover. Otherwise, they are a free FB point to the enemy in this list. Also, why flamers? That flamer costs more than the man carrying it!

The Murder Sword is kinda lost on me. That Daemon Prince has no use for it, it has 5 (7 on the charge, 6 when being charged, s6 ap2 attacks anyway. If your opponents run MC HQ's a lot, then I guess it makes sense. But otherwise I'd leave it to get either more zerkers or more equipment elsewhere.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
and I'm trying to avoid drakes.

Wow, why are you playing Chaos then?

 Robbo97 wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
and I'm trying to avoid drakes.

Wow, why are you playing Chaos then?

Maybe because doing the same thing as everyone else is kind of boring?

Why not go daemons as an ally instead of a dual force org? You will find more games -- as most people I play with don't really dig the dual force org and most local RTTs I've seen don't allow it.

If you went with daemons, you could bring the following
- Kharn
- CSM DP
- CD Greater Daemon (Bloodthirster)
- CD DP (heavy slot)

corseer wrote:

 Robbo97 wrote:

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
and I'm trying to avoid drakes.

Wow, why are you playing Chaos then?

Maybe because doing the same thing as everyone else is kind of boring?

Exactly!

And how can people disallow dual FOC? It's in the rule book? How can it possibly be disallowed? Perhaps I'll tell my farsight opponent that O'Vesa is banned simply because I 'don't like him!' -That's pathetic. It's not a local rule, it's in the rule book and I have followed all required stipulations!

As for the allies option, I don't like the idea of running a second book, it irritates me. I also want to use the AoBF, but it's second option behind the mace after asking advice on here, it offers the prince an extra D6 attacks, and as far as I can tell - nothing in the daemon book offers the same. We're I to go for allies though, my idea was this -
Drop DP with axe,
Drop DP with sword,
Drop all cultists

Add blood thirster with greater gift
Add 10 bloodletters
Add DP with lesser gift
Increase zerker squads to 9.

Better? Worse? Or about the same?

Me want Me want =D


Chaos= Heldrake x as many as you can get

I am not taking helldrakes. Full Stop.

I have come up with this list, let me know what you think..... Better or worse than the first?

Total Roster Cost: 2000

HQ: Daemon Prince (1#, 265 pts)
1 Daemon Prince + Power Armour + Wings + Daemon of Khorne
1 The Black Mace

HQ: Kharn the Betrayer (1#, 160 pts)
1 Kharn the Betrayer

Troops: Khorne Berzerkers (8#, 189 pts)
7 Khorne Berzerkers + Chainaxe x3
1 Berzerker Champion + Chainaxe + Plasma Pistol

Troops: Khorne Berzerkers (8#, 171 pts)
7 Khorne Berzerkers + Chainaxe x2
1 Berzerker Champion + Chainaxe

Heavy Support: Maulerfiend (1#, 125 pts)
1 Maulerfiend

Heavy Support: Chaos Land Raider (1#, 235 pts)
1 Chaos Land Raider + Dirge Caster

Heavy Support: Chaos Land Raider (1#, 235 pts)
1 Chaos Land Raider + Dirge Caster

HQ: Bloodthirster (1#, 290 pts)
1 Bloodthirster (HQ) [cd] + DR: Greater Rewards x2

Troops: Bloodletters of Khorne (10#, 100 pts)
10 Bloodletters of Khorne (Troops) [cd]

Heavy Support: Daemon Prince (1#, 230 pts)
1 Daemon Prince (Heavy) [cd] + DG: Daemonic Flight + DG: Warp-forged Armour + DR: Lesser Rewards x1 + DA: Daemon of Khorne

Will you be using the land raiders to deliver your zerkers? I ask because you seem light on troops and I would drop one of your CSM HS choices to take more. Would also consider keeping your bloodletters in reserve (normal or deep strike) to use as a surgical capture/denial unit, but they may be a bit flimsy.

That was the exact plan for the blood letters, and yes the raiders are for the zerkers! They need it unfortunately!

I like the list, it seems like ti will work quite nicely.
I don't get why people try to run a stupid amount of drakes, they're good and all, but doing that all the time is so bloody boring and stupid. It takes the fun out of the game. Kind of like spamming 6 wave serpents

The first or second list?

I like the second list.

There are a couple of changes I'd make, though.

First of all, I'd drop the Maulerfiend for two units of Cultists. The Fiend is your only AV12 target, and is your softest target on the ground, so it might die a bit quickly. Also, Cultists give you cheap backfield scoring. By reserving them and having them walk on, your opponent needs to worry about your army hitting his at the same time as scoring units begin to appear in your backfield.

Secondly, I'd get two exalted gifts on the allies. One for Portalglyph and one for the Grimoire. This gives you even more annoying scoring units and the Grimoire is just awesome. And not just as a defensive measure. If you go up against a Screamerstar, you can use your grimoire on them and make them actually killable.

The second list, I also second taking out the maulerfiend to add in some cultists for backfield scoring.

I do want the exalted gifts, but I don't know where to squeeze points from on the second list. I have the maulerfiend because I own the model, and I really like it! I'm more interested in the portaglyph than the grimoire, but it's 30 points I don't have!

Drop the chain axes and the plasma pistol from the Khorne Berzerkers.

I love how this list is coming together. I hate how people STILL seem to think all Chaos has going for it is the Heldrake (Yeah, most armies can kill these pretty easily now, so stahp). Frankly, I'm surprised no one has tried telling you to drop a bunch of useful stuff for Nurgle Oblits or something unfluffy. If you could squeeze another Bloodthirster in it would be awesome, but that would probably require dropping the DP for points, finding 60 points to finish paying for the 'thirster, then buying another daemon troop. Maulerfiend is good if you're using it to chase down vehicles, just don't let it get bogged down fighting infantry. I would honestly drop the 'fiend and the Prince and the Plasma Pistol for another 'thirster and a squad of 'letters with 10 points left over for a Lesser reward.

I like the second list more. You really will need to pick your battles with the Berzerkers, due to their low body count.

I wish CSM Land Raiders could house 16 models :/

 SkinCarver wrote:
I love how this list is coming together. I hate how people STILL seem to think all Chaos has going for it is the Heldrake (Yeah, most armies can kill these pretty easily now, so stahp). Frankly, I'm surprised no one has tried telling you to drop a bunch of useful stuff for Nurgle Oblits or something unfluffy. If you could squeeze another Bloodthirster in it would be awesome, but that would probably require dropping the DP for points, finding 60 points to finish paying for the 'thirster, then buying another daemon troop. Maulerfiend is good if you're using it to chase down vehicles, just don't let it get bogged down fighting infantry. I would honestly drop the 'fiend and the Prince and the Plasma Pistol for another 'thirster and a squad of 'letters with 10 points left over for a Lesser reward.

I'd love to! Trouble is - I can't! To take 2 thirster I'd need to make daemons my primary! Which I'm a little reluctant to do, I'll explain why -

I want to keep a CSM DP with the mace, I think it makes him a very nasty little infantry shredder. I want to also keep kharn, I could just use my model of kharn as a champion, but I love his rules. I already own the maulerfiend, and I think it's a cool model, but I can't take that and a land raider for a CSM allied list, as that's 2 heavy choices - unless I do 2 FOC choices with allies, which starts gettin expensive troop wise. I've contemplated takin CSM with MoK as allies so my bezerkers will still fit in (Spent some decent money on the forge world world eaters bits) this would allow me to squeeze in an allied CSM DP, + Kharn + LR + fiend..... I'll fiddle this evening and see if I can come up with something with 2 bloodthirsters! As they are tough cookies!

Watch this space...


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Ok, so with some fiddling, I have come up with this third list. I need to know if it is better or worse than the second list. I tried to squeeze in 2 BT's, but I cannot do it. It's do-able point wise, but there is too many cultists for my liking! (I hate cultists!)

Here it is:

Total Roster Cost: 1999

HQ: Daemon Prince (1#, 265 pts)
1 Daemon Prince + Power Armour + Wings + Daemon of Khorne
1 The Black Mace

HQ: Kharn the Betrayer (1#, 160 pts)
1 Kharn the Betrayer

Troops: Khorne Berzerkers (8#, 189 pts)
7 Khorne Berzerkers + Chainaxe x3
1 Berzerker Champion + Chainaxe + Plasma Pistol

Heavy Support: Chaos Land Raider (1#, 235 pts)
1 Chaos Land Raider + Dirge Caster

Troops: Chaos Space Marines (10#, 230 pts)
9 Chaos Space Marines + Mark of Khorne + Icon of Vengeance + Plasma gun + Plasma gun
1 Aspiring Champion + Mark of Khorne + Power Maul x1

Heavy Support: Maulerfiend (1#, 125 pts)
1 Maulerfiend

Heavy Support: Maulerfiend (1#, 125 pts)
1 Maulerfiend

HQ: Bloodthirster (1#, 300 pts)
1 Bloodthirster (HQ) [cd] + DR: Lesser Rewards x1 + DR: Greater Rewards x2

Troops: Bloodletters of Khorne (10#, 100 pts)
10 Bloodletters of Khorne (Troops) [cd]

Heavy Support: Daemon Prince (1#, 270 pts)
1 Daemon Prince (Heavy) [cd] + DG: Daemonic Flight + DG: Warp-forged Armour + DR: Lesser Rewards x1 + DR: Greater Rewards x2 + DA: Daemon of Khorne