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Like the title says, how far will you let someone proxy? I will let my brother proxy up to an entire army, mainly because he wants to see what the army is like before he invests in it. Also there is standard proxys such as specific units with different guns then they are actually equipped with.

So what do you guys think about proxy?

Well. Its one of those things. If they are trying out a new army, and our unit before putting in the investment then I have no issue with it, as long as there is some rhyme or reason to it. aka "Okay, these assault marines are playing the role of Vespid" etc

The big thing for me, is that they need to make it clear at the start of the game, that they are going to Proxy something.

To try stuff out, any extent. If they keep using the unit in question though I'd rather they get the model or knock up a good counts-as

I don't have a huge issue with it, so long as it's clear what's what. I try to check with my opponent in advance to see if they're cool with it, as a courtesy. I also try to make it really clear on the board. if I'm running a model with non-wysiwyg war gear I'll put a bit of blue tape on the model with the initial of what weapon they're carrying. that makes it clear to both me and my opponents. for example, in my dual flamer assault marine drop pod squad, I only have one model with a flamer. so, I slap some tape with a big "F" on the head of a second guy. that unit is also modeled with jump packs, which you don't get when you take a drop pod. so, I make that expressly clear to my opponents before the game starts.

as long as you're using something that's about the right size for whatever you're proxying, go for it. if the sizes are way off (e.g., using a terminator model to represent a dreadknight, etc.), that may cause some game play issues. also, you could make a convincing argument that proxying the same unit for more than a few games is crossing a line...

To try a unit or list out?

You can proxy any and all parts of your army.

If someone wants to try out an army there is ton of places he can do it . Vassal for example .

In all other times , as long as the army is WYSIWYG , then I don't care what his models look like .

Fairly simple.

A few games to try it out no problem

Continuing to? no.

Torny? Hell no.

I am very, very restrictive when it comes to this, either you play with what you got. Or you dont field it! I refuse to have to ask what that heap o grey plastic should be when I play a game. This point of view stems from having to deal with lazy gamers and people whom NEVER can be bother to get the correct model. Thankfully I moved on and found new people to play with

I don't mind people having their guys changing what weapons they have as long as it is across the board. All guys with flamers actually have plasma guns? That's cool, you just better not backtrack and try to change it up mid game.

I also don't mind special character proxies as long as it is something that can be easily distinguished. For example I am running a Grey knight Grandmaster as Belial and no one seems to mind as long as I make it clear before the game and have my list handy for them to reference at any time.

 Desubot wrote:
Fairly simple.

A few games to try it out no problem

Continuing to? no.

Torny? Hell no.

What this man said.

Not to hijack the thread but here's a question. Would you let someone field models who don't have any weapons at all (Like Landspeeders) because they didn't have any upon purchase (Since it was second hand)? And they fully intend to get them later?

Well I guess those poor chaos players HAVE to take the multimelta on their helbrute.Personelly its OK to proxy devestators as stern guard(so long as you mark out what comi weapon they have.If you have no other devestators.If there's other devestators:NO.

Trying out a new army or model - on very low income and can't afford much very often - done a really good series of conversions and using other non GW models for the army.

All those are great reasons to let someone proxy in a game. In general the only things that are really against allowing proxy models are :

a) If the person is using something that isn't in keeping with the visual aesthetics of the game for a prolonged period of time (an army of lego warriors is not ideal!)

b) If the proxy models are being used to gain unfair advantage. Eg using the same or very similar proxy models for various different things on the table - or trying to use bigger/smaller models to gain line of sight, cover or other in-game bonuses.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Not to hijack the thread but here's a question. Would you let someone field models who don't have any weapons at all (Like Landspeeders) because they didn't have any upon purchase (Since it was second hand)? And they fully intend to get them later?

Fairly simple.

A few games to try it out no problem

Continuing to? no.

Torny? Hell no.

I only play my one friend, as there's no gaming group in my town, so it's flexible. That said, we tend not to field it if we don't have it. But as an example, I wanted to run my 1k sons list, but the vast majority of the sons in question were not ready. I had one aspiring sorcerer, and two thousand sons, one with an IoF, painted and ready. For the rest of my 2 10 man squad members, I used loyalists with bolters, the bolter chosen from DV, and a captain w/power sword (as the other sorcerer), and also used three lloyalist termies as obliterators. My termie sorcerer was painted and ready, though. I'd allow proxies in most cases, I believe.

I don't mind proxy model's. As long as its made clear before the game and it stays consistent throughout. For some people purchasing model's comes few and far between. This way it allows some variety. A lot depends on the individual and what they are trying to do.

As long as this doesn't happen, I'm fine with proxy. Credit goes to WobblyModelSyndrome for making this comic

When it comes to proxying, I try to keep it consistent (i.e. this unit has all X (X being this special/heavy weapon) and not try to make the game less fun as a result of excessive proxying. None of my opponents in the three years I've played 40k has gone that far, but there is a fine line between trying something out and making a game a real chore on remember what model has what without any indicators.

I know a friend of mine puts notes on the bottom of what a model has when he plays his CSM for proxies.

if it is testing out a new army, or testing out a possible new unit to see if one wants to play it in their army then by all means thats fine. That is what friendly games are for. If it is in a league or tourney then hell no.

 Dakkamite wrote:
To try stuff out, any extent. If they keep using the unit in question though I'd rather they get the model or knock up a good counts-as

This to every letter!

As long as I can tell what everything is supposed to be and not get confused during the game*, I'll let people proxy as much as they want.

*No one wants to accidentally charge what they thought were scouts but turned out be Terminators.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Not to hijack the thread but here's a question. Would you let someone field models who don't have any weapons at all (Like Landspeeders) because they didn't have any upon purchase (Since it was second hand)? And they fully intend to get them later?

Very simple, use the imaginations, and with this i make reference to take a coupre of bolters glue it together to look like a heavy bolter, or even a simple flamer, a couple of cut ans glue it to make it look like a heavy flamer, you could use even a storm bolter from a rhino to use it as heavy bolter...

Things apart, i hate to proxy models (thats why i breack my back on my job to eat and have my space wolves army complete), but i dont have to much proeblem againts people useing proxys, but for fairly a couple of games. That make me remember a dude in my playgroup, he left his BA armless and proxy the configurations of the unit, just to test how well works the different layouts, big mistake of my part to let this happen... i had to kill the whole squad just to kill the sgt that supposedly was on the front of the attack, and that happen with all the units, Dante was on three units at the same time, because the dude forget in wich squad he was...
Thats why i try to buy the models or make a kitbash

 Desubot wrote:

Fairly simple.

A few games to try it out no problem

Continuing to? no.

Torny? Hell no.

I think similarly to this, but I'd add one caveat: If it looks cool, then you can continue as much as you like. Although in Tourneys I'm less inclined to worry as long as its obvious. A flamer for a melta is confusing, a Necron with a Warsythe for a Chapter Master is pretty clear.

I play a good friend every week, and due to budgets, neither of us can afford to have every possible combination of every possible unit, we proxy on a regular basis, but always make it clear befo we start what is what and we both put our lists to one side so we can both check 'em if we need to.

It's usually only a unit or two, never a whole army!

 Trondheim wrote:
I am very, very restrictive when it comes to this, either you play with what you got. Or you dont field it! I refuse to have to ask what that heap o grey plastic should be when I play a game. This point of view stems from having to deal with lazy gamers and people whom NEVER can be bother to get the correct model. Thankfully I moved on and found new people to play with

So what about items there are no model for? Or kitbashed items that are not standard

I don't play against poor people, so it hasn't come up.

I love painting. I love gaming. But these two aspects of the hobby are separate for me. I don't require one to enjoy the other. Sure, I'm happier to play a game with all painted models and beautiful terrain, but it's not a requirement for enjoyment.

I've played games entirely with flags on bases (like real-world strategic maps). Never had a problem.

As long as he hands me a list and shows me what is what from said list, I can just about remember it, so, give me a list, show me the proxies and lets roll!

As long as it's clear what is what and it has the proper base size, I'm cool with a 200 pt army made entirely of proxies. And for those who don't allow Proxies ever... Rules of Cool people.

My buddy played his Termagaunst with Quarters.

I played Scarabs with poker chips. Really, who cares, as long as its not in a tourney. in a tourney, i kind of dont care either, unless its deceptive. Ovbciously power chips wouldn't be okay in tourneys either. but I am pretty darn lax in anything that isn't a torueny. they're just practice games (to me)