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I was wondering if there are any western swords that can do a quick draw attack like the Katana.

I can't think of any.

Its not the katana, its the technique. Frankly a good European cavalry sabre is lighter and stronger.

The best I can think of is bashing the pommel into your opponents face as you draw out the sword. Leaves them open for the follow up strike.

Any cavalry sabre can do that silly Katana quick draw thing, although its really just a useless showmenship technique. No practical use.

I am very sure the Cavalry Sabre is made for stabbing. They had to be aimed at the target and you dug into them with the point using the speed of the horse to force it in deep. I dont know how useful a Sabre is while not being on a horse.

Most swords are better for stabbing most of the time anyway. Whacking with a sword is a fast way to ruin it or break the blade. At the same time it gets them stuck in people and they dont usually get very deep. Unless you are decapitating someone in a controlled environment.

So I cant actually think of any sword that would be good for attacking on the draw. Id imagine it would simply be better to simply draw your sword and fight normally than try attack straight from the hilt.

Cavalry sabres most definitely have an edge. They definitely could thrust (and chiefly did), but the definitely had an edge.

As for being on foot, it's as useful as any edged 1 handed sword: very, before guns became a thing.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Any cavalry sabre can do that silly Katana quick draw thing, although its really just a useless showmenship technique. No practical use.

Exactly.

Yeah, got to agree with Frazzled. Should work with any curved sword really.

 streamdragon wrote:
Cavalry sabres most definitely have an edge. They definitely could thrust (and chiefly did), but the definitely had an edge.

As for being on foot, it's as useful as any edged 1 handed sword: very, before guns became a thing.

I dont know, I thought hussars carried 2 swords normally, a broad sword and a sabre. I assumed the broadsword was for the dehorsed as its more of a foot weapon than a sabre.

Even then, as with all swords I have ever seen, fighting with them is all about thrusting not whacking. Whacking is for uncivilized weapons like hammers and axes.

Of course im not expert at all.

I suppose you have those really fat Chinese swords or Scimitars that could be used for hacking.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Cavalry sabres most definitely have an edge. They definitely could thrust (and chiefly did), but the definitely had an edge.

As for being on foot, it's as useful as any edged 1 handed sword: very, before guns became a thing.

I dont know, I thought hussars carried 2 swords normally, a broad sword and a sabre. I assumed the broadsword was for the dehorsed as its more of a foot weapon than a sabre.

Even then, as with all swords I have ever seen, fighting with them is all about thrusting not whacking. Whacking is for uncivilized weapons like hammers and axes.

Of course im not expert at all.

I suppose you have those really fat Chinese swords or Scimitars that could be used for hacking.

Look up Hungarian saber fencing.

Hold on, Katana quick draw is a real technique and effective. I've seen it done (in Movies and documentary). They are use for the quick surprise kills, not in war or a duel. More like for assassin (walking by somebody and quickdraw them) or an argument type and .....like the same effect of a sucker punch (but you kill them).

The reason why a Katana can be done is because of the short curve blade (and the sharpness)...

Many other swords can't be done because they are straight blade, too long, or not sharp enough(quick draw is not a strength bashing motion, but slicing of the blade)

Good point about Saber, but I think they are too long and has never been done as a technique. Yes, anything can be done.. .. but I am talking about a train technique. Heck... you can quick draw a battle axe if you want, but will it kill???

I wonder if you can do a cutlas... anybody have that knowledge?

Who cares, spears/pole arms beat swords anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGearEu2PlU

Well as cool as that is, I think its a bit different.

Not only is it simply a case of striking before being stricken (many times, if they had real weapons, doing what they did would leave both badly injured).

I dont know, im still not convinced its any good as a whacking weapon like these guys did.

From the wikipedia page (I know its wikipedia)

The sabre or saber (see spelling differences) is a sword that usually has a curved, single-edged blade and a rather large hand guard, covering the knuckles of the hand as well as the thumb and forefinger. Although sabres are typically thought of as curved-bladed slashing weapons, those used by the world's heavy cavalry often had straight and even double-edged blades more suitable for thrusting. The length of sabres varied, and most were carried in a scabbard hanging from a shoulder belt known as a baldric or from a waist-mounted sword belt, usually with slings of differing lengths to permit the scabbard to hang below the rider's waist level. Exceptions not intended for personal carry include the Patton saber adopted by the United States Army in 1913 and always mounted to the cavalryman's saddle.

 Mr Nobody wrote:
The best I can think of is bashing the pommel into your opponents face as you draw out the sword. Leaves them open for the follow up strike.

LOL. You might as well kick him in the balls and they draw your sword for the kill.

 Soladrin wrote:
Who cares, spears/pole arms beat swords anyway.

Nothing beats a good pike formation with muskets or slings in my opinion.

BUT you need swords for when you break the phalanx. Otherwise the spears/pike men cannot defend themselves one on one with such a weapon.

Also, for anyone interested in European swordsmanship in general I would suggest subbing to this channel. Man knows what he's talking about.

He's an HEMA(historical European martial arts) teacher.

 Frazzled wrote:
Its not the katana, its the technique. Frankly a good European cavalry sabre is lighter and stronger.

BTW, I don't want this to be a comparison of Katana vs. X sword.

Sabre is lighter (not sure about stronger), longer, and one handed.

Katana is heaver , shorter, and two handed (for best use). But can be use as one handed attack like quick draw.

Base on science, a shorter and heaver sword can cause more slice damage than a longer and lighter blade.

All weapons are tools. Just like hammer or screw driver, they are all effective.

I think Katana is the best tool for....

If you want a tool that can give you best speed, slicing damage, and control... a short, heavy, single edge curve blade in two handed style is most the most effective. And that weapon is a Katana.

For fighting ....depends on the fighter right?


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david choe wrote:
Hold on, Katana quick draw is a real technique and effective. I've seen it done (in Movies and documentary). They are use for the quick surprise kills, not in war or a duel. More like for assassin (walking by somebody and quickdraw them) or an argument type and .....like the same effect of a sucker punch (but you kill them).

The reason why a Katana can be done is because of the short curve blade (and the sharpness)...

Many other swords can't be done because they are straight blade, too long, or not sharp enough(quick draw is not a strength bashing motion, but slicing of the blade)

Good point about Saber, but I think they are too long and has never been done as a technique. Yes, anything can be done.. .. but I am talking about a train technique. Heck... you can quick draw a battle axe if you want, but will it kill???

I wonder if you can do a cutlas... anybody have that knowledge?

I've had both. The katana was just slightly longer and significantly heavier than the saber. A Tulwar was a good deal heavier than both.
Cutlasses I've held have been quite heavy.
Rather have a Colt Peacemaker myself.

Watch the video I posted, it explains pretty much everything you want to know.

david choe wrote:


Base on science, a shorter and heaver sword can cause more slice damage than a longer and lighter blade.

Doesn't matter, to be honest, a single successful strike of any sword type will immediately take you out of the game.

 Sigvatr wrote:

david choe wrote:


Base on science, a shorter and heaver sword can cause more slice damage than a longer and lighter blade.

Doesn't matter, to be honest, a single successful strike of any sword type will immediately take you out of the game.

Which is why thrusting slowly became the more important feature of swords, since you can thrust at a far longer range while piercing heavier armor.

Meh, I still prefer axes. Sure, they aren't nearly as effective as swords in most situations, but being able to bring your full physical force in a single hit feels extremely satisfying. After your first splintered shield, you don't want to get back to pussy swords

 Soladrin wrote:
Watch the video I posted, it explains pretty much everything you want to know.

The video didn't tell me anything new....I wanted to know what other swords can do what the Katana quick draw attack can.

The example of the "French" using the scabber to block then draw is not really the same thing. That is just you being quick. It is like saying I move to the left and then draw my weapon out for the fight.

LOL, yeah everybody knows that it is better to have the sword out in the duel and not do a quick draw attack. The whole point of quickdraw is a sucker punch attack. You do it to surprise kill somebody.

david choe wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
Watch the video I posted, it explains pretty much everything you want to know.

The video didn't tell me anything new....I wanted to know what other swords can do what the Katana quick draw attack can.

The example of the "French" using the scabber to block then draw is not really the same thing. That is just you being quick. It is like saying I move to the left and then draw my weapon out for the fight.

LOL, yeah everybody knows that it is better to have the sword out in the duel and not do a quick draw attack. The whole point of quickdraw is a sucker punch attack. You do it to surprise kill somebody.

Rather get a dagger then. Able to hide, more effective in (very) close combat.

david choe wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
Watch the video I posted, it explains pretty much everything you want to know.

The video didn't tell me anything new....I wanted to know what other swords can do what the Katana quick draw attack can.

The example of the "French" using the scabber to block then draw is not really the same thing. That is just you being quick. It is like saying I move to the left and then draw my weapon out for the fight.

LOL, yeah everybody knows that it is better to have the sword out in the duel and not do a quick draw attack. The whole point of quickdraw is a sucker punch attack. You do it to surprise kill somebody.

Well, if you are wondering what swords can do it? Any sword with a cutting edge in a scabbard. Curved swords are going to be better at it for obvious reasons. The point of the video is, they never used swords for that because there really was no reason to. (in general, obviously there may be individual cases but it's not been documented)

Anyway, I'm not just curious why you want to know.

 Sigvatr wrote:

david choe wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
Watch the video I posted, it explains pretty much everything you want to know.

The video didn't tell me anything new....I wanted to know what other swords can do what the Katana quick draw attack can.

The example of the "French" using the scabber to block then draw is not really the same thing. That is just you being quick. It is like saying I move to the left and then draw my weapon out for the fight.

LOL, yeah everybody knows that it is better to have the sword out in the duel and not do a quick draw attack. The whole point of quickdraw is a sucker punch attack. You do it to surprise kill somebody.

Rather get a dagger then. Able to hide, more effective in (very) close combat.

The dagger is not a Katana is it?

From movies and documentary... it usually from argument, just like a fist fight. Two guys standing too close with sword in the scabber and somebody quick draw the other guy before he can react. Just like the wild west quick draw his pistol.

It usually not a plan attack or kill, just in the moment notice.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Meh, I still prefer axes. Sure, they aren't nearly as effective as swords in most situations, but being able to bring your full physical force in a single hit feels extremely satisfying. After your first splintered shield, you don't want to get back to pussy swords

I think javelins do it better. The Roman ones had weights on them and their heads bent and twisted on impact. So if you get hit by the javelin your shield becomes useless. Which is a scary thought, the enemy taking away the only thing you have to defend yourself before the battle begins. Then you can stab the shield less guys during the brief clash and demoralize them more.

david choe wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

david choe wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
Watch the video I posted, it explains pretty much everything you want to know.

The video didn't tell me anything new....I wanted to know what other swords can do what the Katana quick draw attack can.

The example of the "French" using the scabber to block then draw is not really the same thing. That is just you being quick. It is like saying I move to the left and then draw my weapon out for the fight.

LOL, yeah everybody knows that it is better to have the sword out in the duel and not do a quick draw attack. The whole point of quickdraw is a sucker punch attack. You do it to surprise kill somebody.

Rather get a dagger then. Able to hide, more effective in (very) close combat.

The dagger is not a Katana is it?

From movies and documentary... it usually from argument, just like a fist fight. Two guys standing too close with sword in the scabber and somebody quick draw the other guy before he can react. Just like the wild west quick draw his pistol.

It usually not a plan attack or kill, just in the moment notice.

Dagger would be faster though. And regardless, it wasn't an offensive technique, it was a defensive technique when you were surprised and needed to be able to quickly retaliate, not the other way around.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Meh, I still prefer axes. Sure, they aren't nearly as effective as swords in most situations, but being able to bring your full physical force in a single hit feels extremely satisfying. After your first splintered shield, you don't want to get back to pussy swords

I think javelins do it better. The Roman ones had weights on them and their heads bent and twisted on impact. So if you get hit by the javelin your shield becomes useless. Which is a scary thought, the enemy taking away the only thing you have to defend yourself before the battle begins. Then you can stab the shield less guys during the brief clash and demoralize them more.

Come on, Javelins? Super lame. Feeling your physical power crash down and partly rippling back into your arm, resulting in splintering a wooden shield and a baffled opponent feels so incredibly satisfying. Throwing stuff has zero feedback and just bores anyone out of his mind. Bleh!

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Meh, I still prefer axes. Sure, they aren't nearly as effective as swords in most situations, but being able to bring your full physical force in a single hit feels extremely satisfying. After your first splintered shield, you don't want to get back to pussy swords

I think javelins do it better. The Roman ones had weights on them and their heads bent and twisted on impact. So if you get hit by the javelin your shield becomes useless. Which is a scary thought, the enemy taking away the only thing you have to defend yourself before the battle begins. Then you can stab the shield less guys during the brief clash and demoralize them more.

Come on, Javelins? Super lame. Feeling your physical power crash down and partly rippling back into your arm, resulting in splintering a wooden shield and a baffled opponent feels so incredibly satisfying. Throwing stuff has zero feedback and just bores anyone out of his mind. Bleh!

This doesn't happen often but I do agree with you, axes are amazing for that alone. The other thing to love about axes is you can use it to hook. Tabar ftw.