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Ah feth it, why feed the troll.

We all know that those tools are more of a sickle than a european scythe that is depicted in our conversation. Don't even mention the Japanese ninja scythe. Again, just because the english name has the word scythe in it.

We are talking here about the typical English Farm Scythe as depicted in many fiction hollywood. You want to bring in Greek sickle or scythe just because 500BC they use it to cut wheat and now you want to compare as Farmer scythe ... OK you win.

My you do get in a tizzy don't you. I wasn't addressing your sickle controversyr, just the topic of scythes in combat itself. Me likey the Dacians. They are the classic victim of the gigantic biker gang that was the Romans, except they made them bleed for it. When you realize ROme was just a big biker gang, stealing other people's stuff, most of the respect you have for them goes out the window.
Scythes have been used throughout Europe and Asia since well forever.
I'm not saying the semicircular sickle is a good weapon. I'm saying a modified scythe can be a terrifying weapon, effectively a two handed falchion. That will feth you up big time.

 Frazzled wrote:

We all know that those tools are more of a sickle than a european scythe that is depicted in our conversation. Don't even mention the Japanese ninja scythe. Again, just because the english name has the word scythe in it.

We are talking here about the typical English Farm Scythe as depicted in many fiction hollywood. You want to bring in Greek sickle or scythe just because 500BC they use it to cut wheat and now you want to compare as Farmer scythe ... OK you win.

My you do get in a tizzy don't you.
Scythes have been used throughout Europe and Asia since well forever.
I'm not saying the semicircular sickle is a good weapon. I'm saying a modified scythe can be a terrifying weapon, effectively a two handed falchion. That will feth you up big time.

lol, sorry haha.

I know scythes are used every where as farming tool, some are built different and can be use as a weapon. But we are talking about they kind that was in the video and what I told that guy was a myth.

If you just join the conversation ( I don't know), you have to start from page 15 where somebody post a video of two drawing of rich men dueling with english farm scythe. I told them that it was a myth. Then I show the video of a very valid points and my personal experience of the farm tool.

Then people started trying to proof me wrong by showing freaking greek scythe, war scythe, Japanese ninja scythe.... and every wheat cutting instruments .... of course some of them can be use as killing weapon.

The debunk is the English Farm scythe that is depicted by movies, Grim reaper, and Father time. Those scythes.

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 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Painting of a farmer with a scythe from around 1250.

Looks like it could be swung like a pick, not terribly difficult. Probably not very effective, but not impossible like you've been trying to tell us. A farmer takes a swing at a militia member wearing chainmail, one of e things happen:

1. The scythe blade breaks on the chainmail, and the guard runs him through.

2. The scythe breaks but pierces the chain, wounding and allowing him to grab the guards weapon.

3. Clean hit, scythe is fine after going through the chain. Most likely a lucky hit, probably shouldn't try it again.

The thing is... the blade are very thin and that drawing is false. True scythe blade will be position the other way. Again, I don't want to debate about things that the video debunked. Please look at the video and you will see why this drawing is wrong.

Waah! An actual historical depiction of a medieval scythe does not correspond with what some random dude on Youtube told me! History is so wrong lol, the video says it. YOUTUBE IS TRUTH!!!



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LOL... really the Grim reaper is not real?

I can assure you death is most certainly real. The Grim Reaper is just a personification of death so people can show an abstract concept in paintings etc.
Also, as a personification of death, the Grim Reaper has only been around since the 16th century or so.

david choe wrote:

We are talking here about the typical English Farm Scythe as depicted in many fiction hollywood. You want to bring in Greek sickle or scythe just because 500BC they use it to cut wheat and now you want to compare as Farmer scythe ... OK you win.

Moving the goalposts are we? First it was scythes in general, now it is just the "English Farm Scythe™"? If you dont mind me asking, what exactly constitutes an "English Farm Scythe™"? Are you sure you did not just invent that one? I am pretty sure the medieval English used a variety of scythe designs.

I choose to check a reference source and yep, scythe is a weapon. Right here *points at page* It says that scythes are piercing and slicing, get x4 damage on critical hits, and they can make trip attacks! It also says hardness five but I'm not sure what that means so I'm ignoring it.

It comes in a few sizes but I'd go colossal cause 6d6 damage sounds like a lot!

Yeah.... ALL of the books that I have MUST be wrong. All those PhDs and Masters of History don't know what the feth they are talking about when they say..

"In the middle ages the scythe was frequently used as a weapon, the blade being mounted in ling with a long, straight shaft. It does not appear to have given rise to any important modification, especially adapted for fighting. It was used as an improvised weapon by peasants as late as the end of the 18th century."

-A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration and Use of Arms and Armor in all countries and in all times. (together with some closely related subjects) by, George Cameron Stone




And that's just the first, most available book that I have on my shelf.

I am not talking hollywood. I am not saying that the scythe is a great, or even good weapon. I am merely stating that Historical Record and facts show that there is no myth that they were in fact, used in battle.

There really is nothing to debate here. None of us is saying that a scythe is any sort of great weapon, just that it has been used in the past.


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Also... when did Iron_Captain move to the UK?? (as im looking at the screen his flag is the union jack )

david choe wrote:

We are talking here about the typical English Farm Scythe as depicted in many fiction hollywood. You want to bring in Greek sickle or scythe just because 500BC they use it to cut wheat and now you want to compare as Farmer scythe ... OK you win.

Moving the goalposts are we? First it was scythes in general, now it is just the "English Farm Scythe™"? If you dont mind me asking, what exactly constitutes an "English Farm Scythe™"? Are you sure you did not just invent that one? I am pretty sure the medieval English used a variety of scythe designs.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

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Also... when did Iron_Captain move to the UK?? (as im looking at the screen his flag is the union jack )

The Revolution knows no borders
I moved out of the UK a few years ago, so the only reason I can think of is this: I wrote that comment while in the train, that train was an Arriva train, Arriva is a British company, so when you use their wi-fi Dakka thinks you are British? I wonder if I show up as American if I use the wi-fi at McDonalds...
That, or the UK has just secretly annexed the Netherlands while I wasn't looking...

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Yeah.... ALL of the books that I have MUST be wrong. All those PhDs and Masters of History don't know what the feth they are talking about when they say..

"In the middle ages the scythe was frequently used as a weapon, the blade being mounted in ling with a long, straight shaft. It does not appear to have given rise to any important modification, especially adapted for fighting. It was used as an improvised weapon by peasants as late as the end of the 18th century."

-A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration and Use of Arms and Armor in all countries and in all times. (together with some closely related subjects) by, George Cameron Stone




And that's just the first, most available book that I have on my shelf.

I am not talking hollywood. I am not saying that the scythe is a great, or even good weapon. I am merely stating that Historical Record and facts show that there is no myth that they were in fact, used in battle.

There really is nothing to debate here. None of us is saying that a scythe is any sort of great weapon, just that it has been used in the past.


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Also... when did Iron_Captain move to the UK?? (as im looking at the screen his flag is the union jack )

Look at a real picture and look at the video that I have posted as debunk evidence. That is a real scythe. How can that blade be inline with the shaft. Again... the video is not showing some drawing or anything. It is an MOVING VIDEO SEEING THE SCYTHE FROM ALL ANGLE. You tell me how it would be possible.

I will post this video again. You watch it . You debate me using this video and say something like at 3:12 mark.. it is not true because...so and so. Don't dismiss the video as a Youtube crap. It is valid evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rzQwzg5_mo


Then the explain of the BS famous scythe fanbois and War scythe myth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_endKNXkdOY

Last of all here is a video how a scythe is use in farming. Look at the blade where it is at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOBZZSiRIk8



So many myth of book have created this myth.... I already mentioned that 16 century INFAMOUS european martial book that show people fighting with farm scythe as been debunk many times and it is a laughing JOKE among many European Fencing and fight club.

Please look at all 3 videos and use your own logic of why would you ever try to use this as a combat tools when all farmer who have access to Scythe will have axes and pitch fork. FARMERRRRR they are not warriors or martial artist... you think they can use this weapon to fight? It is freaking difficult to handle.

1 - old drawing is some of the worst documents. The objective of this painting is not to look at the position of the scythe blade position. This is really simple... why don't you go google farm scythe and see what picture pops up. Look at the blade position, it was NEVER in 90degree to the stick. If I have to explain this to you ... you are dismiss in this discussion. You have never held a scythe or even look at and study a real one. Only in fantasy and the MYTH like the Grim Reaper scythe.

Really? This British scythe says otherwise. Itsa also the first thing that popped up on google you told us to go to.
http://www.keeleyhire.co.uk/props/farm_implements/scythe

DO you even know what you're arguing about now, or are you just arguing?

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Ah feth it, why feed the troll.

It's like a war of attrition, which is what OT should be well known for by now.

YOUTUBE IS TRUTH!


Let me ask you. If you, as a medieval farmer are up against a bunch of "noble" knights on horseback, what kind of weapon would you want to have? A little woodcutting hatchet? A blunt pitchfork? No. You want something sharp, long and pointy to deter those haughty knights from charging and crushing you under their horse's hooves. What is the most easily available long, sharp and pointy thing? A scythe of course. You only need to get it to point upwards and make sure it is attached to a straight pole, which is simple to do.
A scythe is not a great weapon, but as long as you can use it to stab at a horse's head or chest it will make do.

 Frazzled wrote:

1 - old drawing is some of the worst documents. The objective of this painting is not to look at the position of the scythe blade position. This is really simple... why don't you go google farm scythe and see what picture pops up. Look at the blade position, it was NEVER in 90degree to the stick. If I have to explain this to you ... you are dismiss in this discussion. You have never held a scythe or even look at and study a real one. Only in fantasy and the MYTH like the Grim Reaper scythe.

Really? This British scythe says otherwise. Itsa also the first thing that popped up on google you told us to go to.
http://www.keeleyhire.co.uk/props/farm_implements/scythe

DO you even know what you're arguing about now, or are you just arguing?

sorry, but the link is dead.

OMG... just look at the video and debate that. all my points are in the video.

Dude, you have pretty much broken Dakka rule #1 on almost every page with your rude behavior, how has your face not been introduced to the modhammer?


Also, try your own suggestion and Google medieval scythe. You will see at least 10 different types of scythes. And try using something other than youtube as a source of information.


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And I'm on my phone and Frazz's link worked just fine, try again

david choe wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

1 - old drawing is some of the worst documents. The objective of this painting is not to look at the position of the scythe blade position. This is really simple... why don't you go google farm scythe and see what picture pops up. Look at the blade position, it was NEVER in 90degree to the stick. If I have to explain this to you ... you are dismiss in this discussion. You have never held a scythe or even look at and study a real one. Only in fantasy and the MYTH like the Grim Reaper scythe.

Really? This British scythe says otherwise. Itsa also the first thing that popped up on google you told us to go to.
http://www.keeleyhire.co.uk/props/farm_implements/scythe

DO you even know what you're arguing about now, or are you just arguing?

sorry, but the link is dead.

OMG... just look at the video and debate that. all my points are in the video.

Videos (like the wheel, and California) are for chumps. Try reading something called...a book.
What are you even arguing at this point?
Are you saying a scythe is a bad form to use? Thats provably false. Again. Look at the Dacians.
Are you saying semi circular sickles are a bad form to use? I'll go with that.

Also I typed "English scythe" and had ten hits on the first page with perependicular scythes. Again what are you arguing exactly?
https://www.google.ca/images?q=English+scythe&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=&gfe_rd=cr&gws_rd=ssl&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ei=8iTaVKfWMY-yyATUr4DYBA&ved=0CBMQsAQ

Link worked for me too just now.

 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Dude, you have pretty much broken Dakka rule #1 on almost every page with your rude behavior, how has your face not been introduced to the modhammer?


Also, try your own suggestion and Google medieval scythe. You will see at least 10 different types of scythes. And try using something other than youtube as a source of information.


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And I'm on my phone and Frazz's link worked just fine, try again

I didn't break any rules... people just hated when I'm right. For the past 17 pages, I have become Dakka number one hated guy. Just because I pointed out something that is not popular belief and seriously... it is freaking comical that so many people are in the closet scythe fanbois.


When I tell my fencing buddies next Monday at the fencing club about all the BS warriors from the internet buying into Paulus Hector Mair book...The famous CON artist fighting books from 500 years ago....when Paulus pull the greatest con and got hanged for it... the cons is still going on....and a new modern day "warriors" still trying to study his 4 books that are left.... .... they all will have a big laugh.

I can't belief you guys are actually think that people practice this crap of using farmer scythe as a form of martial fighting tool.

The books written by the "PHD" that used the scythe were based from the Paulus. Almost every modern true warriors knows that the Paulus Hector was a freaking idiot who scams so many lords and rich nobles to make this book. He died for it. When you guys go google and research this story.. search it with care. Many many are still following his teaching as "true". Example, this Dakka site tells all about the scythe myth.

I think this thread has outlived it's usefulness. In the future, if you want threads like this to remain open please try to focus on the issue being discussed and not other posters... once a discussion becomes about whether someone did or did not break the rules, with them defending themselves, the thread has gone too far off-topic.