Philly cop ambushed by Islamic terrorist

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**NuggzTheNinja**

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/08/philadelphia-cop-shooting-wounded-street-ambush/78499196/

The suspect in the wounding of a Philadelphia police officer in an execution-style ambush told officers that he carried out the attack "in the name of Islam," Police Commissioner Richard Ross said Friday.

Ross said the suspect, Edward Archer, 30, fired 13 shots from a semiautomatic pistol that hit Officer Jessie Hartnett and his car Thursday night. The 33-year-old officer returned fire, hitting the gunman at least three times.

Ross said Archer, who was wearing a long white robe over dark pants during the attack, "confessed to committing this cowardly act in the name of Islam. He said he believes that the police defend laws that are contrary to the teaching of the Koran."

The commissioner said Hartnett, who was hit three times in his left arm, sustained "very serious injuries."

A police captain involved in the interrogation of Archer told reporters that the suspect told them he pledges allegiance to the Islamic State terror group, follows Allah and that he was called upon by his faith to commit the shooting.

Surveillance video, apparently taken from a building or post behind the incident, shows the gunman running into the street and right up the police car. He puts the gun directly into the driver-side window and fires at point-blank range.

Mayor Jim Kenney, who also spoke to reporters Friday afternoon, played down the Islam connection. "This is a criminal with a stolen gun who tried to kill one of our officers, " he said. "It has nothing to do with being a Muslim or following the Islamic faith."

Ross said the weapon was a stolen police gun.

Archer pledged allegiance to ISIS...how...danger zone?

**Breotan**

Already being discussed

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/390/675344.page#8367725

And he isn't an islamic terrorist. He's a gang thug.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Breotan wrote:
Already being discussed

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/390/675344.page#8367725

And he isn't an islamic terrorist.

No? Why is that?

I'm not sure that his membership in a gang prevents him from being a terrorist any more than some neckbeard's membership in a militia grants him immunity from being the star of a 10+ page thread calling him a "domestic terrorist."

**DarkTraveler777**

Glad the officer survived and was able to return fire and wound the suspect.

Although, this statement from the mayor is a bit perplexing.

Mayor Jim Kenney, who also spoke to reporters Friday afternoon, played down the Islam connection. "This is a criminal with a stolen gun who tried to kill one of our officers, " he said. "It has nothing to do with being a Muslim or following the Islamic faith."

The suspect is admitting that his faith influenced this attack.

I know, I know, the style of Islam that ISIS adherents follow isn't "real" Islam (whatever that is), but the motivation for this shooter certainly had everything to do with a version of the Islamic faith.

**AduroT**

It's probably just viral marketing for the next season.

**NuggzTheNinja**

DarkTraveler, I agree - the mayor is an idiot.

Man admits that his motivation for an attack is religion and pledges allegiance to an international terror organization called the Islamic State = not terrorism and it has nothing to do with islam.

Gun used in the crime was stolen from police = the feds need to pass more gun control on citizens.

Talk about a distorted reality...

**Wulfmar**

ISIS are Salafist-Jihadist, they're as literal with the Qur'an as you can be.

Westernised Muslims don't take the Qur'an as literally and are moderates who denounce them - they're also targets of Salafists for this reason.

Who knows why he did what he did. Could be related to Salafism, or not. Most likely a loner who became radicalised when looking for purpose and meaning for his life.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Wulfmar wrote:
ISIS are Salafist-Jihadist, they're as literal with the Qur'an as you can be.

Westernised Muslims don't take the Qur'an as literally and are moderates who denounce them - they're also targets of Salafists for this reason.

Who knows why he did what he did. Could be related to Salafism, or not.

Is there something preventing you from simply taking the suspect's word for it?

**Wulfmar**

See the edit on my post which I was adding while you wrote this.

I never disagreed it was related to religion

**NuggzTheNinja**

Wulfmar wrote:
See the edit on my post which I was adding while you wrote this.

I never disagreed it was related to religion

Fair enough, sorry for misinterpreting your intent.

**Breotan**

Wulfmar wrote:
I never disagreed it was related to religion

I do. We have a gang member who washed his brain in bigotry and hate for years. He then shoots a cop with a stolen gun and is "claiming" he did it for religious reasons. He is using Islam as an excuse, but it is not the actual reason for it. I'd sooner connect this with the Black Lives Matter movement than ISIS.

**Wulfmar**

Breotan wrote:
Wulfmar wrote:
I never disagreed it was related to religion

I do. We have a gang member who washed his brain in bigotry and hate for years. He then shoots a cop with a stolen gun and is "claiming" he did it for religious reasons. He is using Islam as an excuse, but it is not the actual reason for it. I'd sooner connect this with the Black Lives Matter movement than ISIS.

SERIOUSLY can people read the thread and not just select quotes to throw things out of context?

I said it may or may not be religiously motivated.

Here:

Wulfmar wrote:

Who knows why he did what he did. Could be related to Salafism, or not. Most likely a loner who became radicalised when looking for purpose and meaning for his life.

Let me give you an example of how you changed the context:

Breotan wrote:I'd sooner connect this with the Black Lives Matter movement than ISIS.

How dare you blame black people for this *insert moral outrage* making out they are worse than ISIS.

- clearly this isn't what you meant and I know that, but it's what has just been done to me

**Talizvar**

If I wanted to do something that was off the deep end, claiming sunspots fried my brain when I forgot to put my tinfoil hat on also seems plausible.

**DarkTraveler777**

Breotan wrote:

I do. We have a gang member who washed his brain in bigotry and hate for years. He then shoots a cop with a stolen gun and is "claiming" he did it for religious reasons. He is using Islam as an excuse, but it is not the actual reason for it. I'd sooner connect this with the Black Lives Matter movement than ISIS.

That is pretty out there as a theory, man. How can you make the claim that the suspect is using Islam as an excuse with such authority? Are you in Mr. Archer's brain?

**Los pollos hermanos**

Ross said the suspect, Edward Archer, 30, fired 13 shots from a semiautomatic pistol that hit Officer Jessie Hartnett and his car Thursday night. The 33-year-old officer returned fire, hitting the gunman at least three times.

good on the cop, gets hit point blank with an semiauto and yet still manages to fire back and hit the guy firing at him 3 times thats some good shooting on his part.

**Breotan**

DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Breotan wrote:

I do. We have a gang member who washed his brain in bigotry and hate for years. He then shoots a cop with a stolen gun and is "claiming" he did it for religious reasons. He is using Islam as an excuse, but it is not the actual reason for it. I'd sooner connect this with the Black Lives Matter movement than ISIS.

That is pretty out there as a theory, man. How can you make the claim that the suspect is using Islam as an excuse with such authority? Are you in Mr. Archer's brain?

Simple. I look at what happens with disaffected people in gangs and how they behave and compare that to how Islamist terrorists conduct their affairs and choose their targets.

In Boston, they set up bombs in a crowded area. In San Bernardino they targeted a group of civilians before fleeing. Soft targets with many casualties. Killing infidels in public spectacle to cause terror.

Now we have a lone male who ambushes a police officer. A deliberate and specific target given the crowds of people on the sidewalks that were available to shoot at. This screams "gang" and not "Islamist". This demonstrated the attack was personal to the attacker and not a display intended to terrorize infidels.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Breotan wrote:
DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Breotan wrote:

I do. We have a gang member who washed his brain in bigotry and hate for years. He then shoots a cop with a stolen gun and is "claiming" he did it for religious reasons. He is using Islam as an excuse, but it is not the actual reason for it. I'd sooner connect this with the Black Lives Matter movement than ISIS.

That is pretty out there as a theory, man. How can you make the claim that the suspect is using Islam as an excuse with such authority? Are you in Mr. Archer's brain?

Simple. I look at what happens with disaffected people in gangs and how they behave and compare that to how Islamist terrorists conduct their affairs and choose their targets.

In Boston, they set up bombs in a crowded area. In San Bernardino they targeted a group of civilians before fleeing. Soft targets with many casualties. Killing infidels in public spectacle to cause terror.

Now we have a lone male who ambushes a police officer. A deliberate and specific target given the crowds of people on the sidewalks that were available to shoot at. This screams "gang" and not "Islamist". This demonstrated the attack was personal to the attacker and not a display intended to terrorize infidels.

That's a strange criterion. Would you argue that the Muslims in Israel who attack individuals with knives and ram into them with cars are not Islamic terrorists? These aren't necessarily displays considering that more often than not, they're eliminated after stabbing one person.

**Easy E**

What is an "execution style ambush?" An ambush attempting to kill a guy? I have never heard that term before.

**Desubot**

Easy E wrote:
What is an "execution style ambush?" An ambush attempting to kill a guy? I have never heard that term before.

Sames as Tactical style weapons.

its all buzzwords.

**Iron_Captain**

Also, he is technically not a terrorist because he did not have a political goal.

**Nostromodamus**

Easy E wrote:
What is an "execution style ambush?" An ambush attempting to kill a guy? I have never heard that term before.

I've heard it a lot from news agencies trying to make something sound more exciting/dangerous.

**Mr. Burning**

Alex C wrote:
Easy E wrote:
What is an "execution style ambush?" An ambush attempting to kill a guy? I have never heard that term before.

I've heard it a lot from news agencies trying to make something sound more exciting/dangerous.

This guy was an armour piercing assault high capacity magazine.

Execution is a thing ISIL have done so his style must be execution style.

Could also be referencing the Caliphates Summer collection.

**Breotan**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Breotan wrote:
DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Breotan wrote:

I do. We have a gang member who washed his brain in bigotry and hate for years. He then shoots a cop with a stolen gun and is "claiming" he did it for religious reasons. He is using Islam as an excuse, but it is not the actual reason for it. I'd sooner connect this with the Black Lives Matter movement than ISIS.

That is pretty out there as a theory, man. How can you make the claim that the suspect is using Islam as an excuse with such authority? Are you in Mr. Archer's brain?

Simple. I look at what happens with disaffected people in gangs and how they behave and compare that to how Islamist terrorists conduct their affairs and choose their targets.

In Boston, they set up bombs in a crowded area. In San Bernardino they targeted a group of civilians before fleeing. Soft targets with many casualties. Killing infidels in public spectacle to cause terror.

Now we have a lone male who ambushes a police officer. A deliberate and specific target given the crowds of people on the sidewalks that were available to shoot at. This screams "gang" and not "Islamist". This demonstrated the attack was personal to the attacker and not a display intended to terrorize infidels.

That's a strange criterion. Would you argue that the Muslims in Israel who attack individuals with knives and ram into them with cars are not Islamic terrorists? These aren't necessarily displays considering that more often than not, they're eliminated after stabbing one person.

I would point out that this guy isn't authentically Muslim and that this didn't happen in Israel. Take your strawman elsewhere.

**SilverMK2**

I made this post because I have pledged allegiance to ISIS. Or maybe I am just saying that?

By all means investigate if there is a link but there is not a great deal here that suggests an ISIS link other than the gunmans claim.

**Grey Templar**

Iron_Captain wrote:
Also, he is technically not a terrorist because he did not have a political goal.

From what I have heard, he claims he attacked a cop because "they defend laws which go against the Koran".

**Jihadin**

Let's wait awhile till we get his background before the shootout.

**DarkTraveler777**

Grey Templar wrote:
Iron_Captain wrote:
Also, he is technically not a terrorist because he did not have a political goal.

From what I have heard, he claims he attacked a cop because "they defend laws which go against the Koran".

The Police Commissioner quoted in the OP shared that confession.

I am honestly confused why people are doubting the suspect's claims. Why would this guy align himself with ISIS if he really wasn't motivated by their propaganda? It isn't like a claim of ISIS affiliation will endear him to the American public and make his trial go any easier.

What benefit would he get for making this claim?

**Grey Templar**

DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Iron_Captain wrote:
Also, he is technically not a terrorist because he did not have a political goal.

From what I have heard, he claims he attacked a cop because "they defend laws which go against the Koran".

The Police Commissioner quoted in the OP shared that confession.

I am honestly confused why people are doubting the suspect's claims. Why would this guy align himself with ISIS if he really wasn't motivated by their propaganda? It isn't like a claim of ISIS affiliation will endear him to the American public and make his trial go any easier.

Because "oh noes, thats racist to assume he's with ISIS!" or "Stop being mean to Muslims" seems to be the misguided left-wing approach these days if you do that.

What benefit would he get for making this claim?

None really.

**Jihadin**

Different set of charges in play....

**DarkTraveler777**

Grey, I understand that, but some of the push back in this thread isn't coming from posters I'd necessarily associate with the left.