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I played a game against an Astroglide Militarium player earlier today. Now normally I have no problem beating the Guard with my nigh-invincible auto-regrouping Space Marines with their 10 Rhinos and BS4 special weapons, but then my opponent pulled out something called a "Stormsword".

It looked like an RC toy rather than something appropriate for 40k. It was huge. Worse, the thing had like 4 guns on it, and even though I used some of the free Krak grenades my MEQ dudes get to inflict a couple HP damage on it, I couldn't stop it shooting! It Stunned one of my Rhinos and ran over muh Devastator Sergeant!

Models like this have absolutely no place in 40k and I think it should be banned. It only costs 600-odd points too, which is undercosted for a non-SM vehicle with 4 guns on it.

Not gonna lie, BBAP, this post was one of the funnier things today.

Thank you good sir!

This is a pretty good thread.

Confirmed, AM are OP. WTF, why do they get free sergeants in every squad while C:SM have to pay for a sergeant upgrade?

You think this is funny?! My poor Devastator Sergeant was killed!

GW please nerf this madness power creep nightmare. Or put it in the next Codex:SM supplement.

Come up with a C:SM solution that doesn't use drop pods, grav cannons, bikes, centurions, librarians or anything but bolter marines in rhinos. You can't. Therefore the Stormsword is the most OP unit in the game.

IKR. FOUR guns it had. FOUR!!! Madness.

It's time to set the Clock...s? Oh it seems this is a bit of a different one!

Yes of course, but you've only touched the slice of the brie my friend, did you know they have different types of tanks just LIKE that one!? Multiple types! I've even heard of a tank with ELEVEN guns, they just have so much cheese that it's like a fondue as soon as they start setting up.

Wait 'till he sees the Stormlord. Only 450pts, nine guns, and full to the brim of allied grav-cannons. It'll blow his mind.


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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
It's time to set the Clock...s? Oh it seems this is a bit of a different one!

Yes of course, but you've only touched the slice of the brie my friend, did you know they have different types of tanks just LIKE that one!? Multiple types! I've even heard of a tank with ELEVEN guns, they just have so much cheese that it's like a fondue as soon as they start setting up.

And it's a plastic kit! They don't even have to throw four hundred dollars at Forge World for it! The madness!

Is that the one that has a transport capacity as well as everything else? So they can fit their OP 20-man infantry squads (Tacs only get 5 attacks per assault phase how can I ever kill them all?) with their OP Commissars (rerolling Morale checks is OP) and their OP lasguns (why should they shoot twice? They're not Space Marines! Zomgop) in the back of their OP cheese mega-tank that I can't even kill with Krak Grenades.

This game is so broken, I'm going to play Warmachine instead.

Man I didn't know we had a new supplement. This astroglide book must have some slick units in it

You think thats bad op, our conscripts can actually kill things, yet cost 3pts per guy.

I killed 3 Genestealer on overwatch. Thats ridiculous!

Five real guys, how can an army that has this model in it be anything but OP OP OP CHEEEEESE? Just by owning one you become a sex god with lustful followers that Slaanesh would envy, and imagine what happens when you put one on the table!

I remember having a 5 man unit of stormbolter/powerfist Terminators running across open ground for two turns against an Imperial Guard gunline with like 50 Guardsman. Those overpowered Lasguns killed all of my Terminators!!! And he had like three autocannons toooo!!! Wtf they need to nerf Lasguns and remove HWTs!

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I remember having a 5 man unit of stormbolter/powerfist Terminators running across open ground for two turns against an Imperial Guard gunline with like 50 Guardsman. Those overpowered Lasguns killed all of my Terminators!!! And he had like three autocannons toooo!!! Wtf they need to nerf Lasguns and remove HWTs!

Way underpriced, Autocannons. They should cost like 30pts each. if it can kill a terminator, it should cost as much as one. That is called "balance".

The stormswor.... ohhh, I get it. *chuckle*

What is busted is that a squad can only stick one grenade on that giant box.

I heard their basic infantry can all get this cheesy psychic type buff that you can't even deny and it makes them all shoot 3 times! How is that even fair?

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Come up with a C:SM solution that doesn't use drop pods, grav cannons, bikes, centurions, librarians or anything but bolter marines in rhinos. You can't. Therefore the Stormsword is the most OP unit in the game.

If equivalent points of tacticals with flamer and missile launcher can't kill it then it's clearly OP.

I once had an entire squadon of Predators with Autocannons and Heavy Bolters fire on a Baneblade for an entire game and it only did two hull points!

The player base has been shrinking since the advent of 6th edition. Say what you want, but power creep, scale creep, price creep, etc. are all to blame for this.

Mock me if you want.

Or don't.

Either way:

Enjoy the dwindling player base.

Enjoy your grav cannons, super heavies, etc. when you have an even more limited selection of opponents than you do now.

But hey. That will give you the great opportunity to build your own gaming table so that you can play many a game of warhammer: solitaire.

 Traditio wrote:
The player base has been shrinking since the advent of 6th edition. Say what you want, but power creep, scale creep, price creep, etc. are all to blame for this.

Correlation does not equal causation. There is no proof that "scale creep" and "power creep" are the reason 40k is losing players. there a whole host of factors for why 40k is losing market dominance.

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
The player base has been shrinking since the advent of 6th edition. Say what you want, but power creep, scale creep, price creep, etc. are all to blame for this.

Correlation does not equal causation. There is no proof that "scale creep" and "power creep" are the reason 40k is losing players. there a whole host of factors for why 40k is losing market dominance.

Keep telling yourself that.

I'm sure that 5th edition players who quit in 6th will likely have a few things to say about that.

 Traditio wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
The player base has been shrinking since the advent of 6th edition. Say what you want, but power creep, scale creep, price creep, etc. are all to blame for this.

Correlation does not equal causation. There is no proof that "scale creep" and "power creep" are the reason 40k is losing players. there a whole host of factors for why 40k is losing market dominance.

Keep telling yourself that.

I'm sure that 5th edition players who quit in 6th will likely have a few things to say about that.

As someone who's been playing since 4ed I can say that players quit for a lot more reasons then "these models are bigger and stronger then i think they should be". Some have of course, but you haven't proved that that is THE reason

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
The player base has been shrinking since the advent of 6th edition. Say what you want, but power creep, scale creep, price creep, etc. are all to blame for this.

Correlation does not equal causation. There is no proof that "scale creep" and "power creep" are the reason 40k is losing players. there a whole host of factors for why 40k is losing market dominance.

Although I haven't quit yet, I've never been closer to doing so.
Super heavies just ain't fun to fight

Ridiculous.

You only get a single grenade attack in melee, not one for every model.

 kirotheavenger wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
The player base has been shrinking since the advent of 6th edition. Say what you want, but power creep, scale creep, price creep, etc. are all to blame for this.

Correlation does not equal causation. There is no proof that "scale creep" and "power creep" are the reason 40k is losing players. there a whole host of factors for why 40k is losing market dominance.

Although I haven't quit yet, I've never been closer to doing so.
Super heavies just ain't fun to fight

And that's fine. My point is that until Tradito actually has proof, he can't claim that everyone is quitting 40k because of "power/scale creep)

 kirotheavenger wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
The player base has been shrinking since the advent of 6th edition. Say what you want, but power creep, scale creep, price creep, etc. are all to blame for this.

Correlation does not equal causation. There is no proof that "scale creep" and "power creep" are the reason 40k is losing players. there a whole host of factors for why 40k is losing market dominance.

Although I haven't quit yet, I've never been closer to doing so.
Super heavies just ain't fun to fight

(I took a count once. There are about 8-9 of over 50 legal superheavies that are actually OP, the primary issue being that five of them (Stormsurge, Wraithknight, Hellhammer, Doomhammer ((?) Whichever the one with the hull-mounted Hellhammer gun is), Shadowsword) are in GW books and can be built out of GW plastics while almost all the non-OP ones are Forge World. So most of the blanket "ban all superheavies!" discussion is actually an issue with GW's design team being terrible and needing to just hand FW the chair rather than superheavies being inherently broken.)

 Traditio wrote:
Keep telling yourself that.

I'm sure that 5th edition players who quit in 6th will likely have a few things to say about that.

Played from 5th, dropped at 7th - rubbish rules were the reason, not these Power and Scale creeps you speak of; I never dealt with competitive players, but I left because the game still felt shoddy and unbalanced.

Anyways, take an Exalt, BBAP - this has given me a good laugh before work.

G.A

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 kirotheavenger wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
The player base has been shrinking since the advent of 6th edition. Say what you want, but power creep, scale creep, price creep, etc. are all to blame for this.

Correlation does not equal causation. There is no proof that "scale creep" and "power creep" are the reason 40k is losing players. there a whole host of factors for why 40k is losing market dominance.

Although I haven't quit yet, I've never been closer to doing so.
Super heavies just ain't fun to fight

(I took a count once. There are about 8-9 of over 50 legal superheavies that are actually OP, the primary issue being that five of them (Stormsurge, Wraithknight, Hellhammer, Doomhammer ((?) Whichever the one with the hull-mounted Hellhammer gun is), Shadowsword) are in GW books and can be built out of GW plastics while almost all the non-OP ones are Forge World. So most of the blanket "ban all superheavies!" discussion is actually an issue with GW's design team being terrible and needing to just hand FW the chair rather than superheavies being inherently broken.)

And people still say that all Forgeworld stuff is OP, and try to ban it.
Sigh.

 Traditio wrote:
The player base has been shrinking since the advent of 6th edition. Say what you want, but power creep, scale creep, price creep, etc. are all to blame for this.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Your preferred fix appears to be for all units to become gakky, overcosted, underperforming garbage. How that will prevent the game haemorraging players is anyone's guess. Do I want to play a game where all the units suck? I don't think I do.

Mock me if you want.

Don't mind if I do.

Traditio, maybe you should try, I don't know, posting better. Maybe then people might take you seriously. You may honestly have some valid points, but you wrap them in some of the worst posting I've seen on these forums.

At least go and learn what balance actually is. For every valid balance concern you raise, you raise another five that aren't problems and further have no clue how to fix them.