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Martel732 wrote:
They don't, but even if they did, how would you use that?

Use those drop pods you can apparently place wherever you like.

So they can all die to an intercepting ion accelerator before the psychic phase? Awesome plan.

Martel732 wrote:
They don't, but even if they did, how would you use that?

No idea, was just wanted to point out they have no way to get psykers on the field easily.

You can spam them in an angel's blade.

Calling out to quit the game if we "do not like it"?
There is always room for improvement (some editions of 40k more than others).

Imperial Cheese like the Stormsword is a fine example of an Epic level vehicle having lost it's way and finding itself in squad-based combat.
It is in the rules we can have a "Lord of War", I am sure my lord beats your lord because he has bigger guns than yours and AM/IG is all about big guns.
I like my Shadowsword but he really hopes you bring a truly epic sized LOW or it is a waste... but he can pass the time blowing up tanks spectacularly.

I am close to fielding 3 Imperial Knights but I am sure they are doomed facing the shock and awe of the Riptide swarms.

I like how this thread started, cheese is funny now.
I will SEVERLY reprimand anyone who tries to tell me 40k as it stands now is a competitive game.
You cannot force me to look at it any other way than a gaming joke, where it really is "bring what you like"!
Make the meanest thing you can think of for giggles!
Take an insane horde of stuff: can you field more bodies than their guns can handle?
Can you take so much armor it is enough to make a Tank Commander blush?
Really, people are completely unreasonable for calling people a TFG for their army lists or to play with the rules... it... does... not... matter.

40k is free of the yoke of oppression of "competition": the rules are only just good enough to be a scenario sandbox.
Even to make alliance armies to fly so much in the face of fluff, it would make Jervis Johnson's head spin!

There has never been a better time to create unholy... erm, "exciting" army combinations you only dreamed of or read about.

The exodus of players people lament are only the competitive players, "good riddance!" many would say.
No sense them souring our games with "math-hammer" and silly words like "choice" or "odds".

Remember: forge the narrative!, have fun!, frag them if they cannot take a joke! and have pity on the TFG: he has completely lost the plot and should be made fun of mercilessly.

Martel732 wrote:
You can spam them in an angel's blade.

Can you? Is there a formation for it? Invis DC would be the only way I'd use them, unless you have grav cents.

There is a sub formation called "leaders of the angelic host" that can hold up to 5 of libbies/priests/etc. But it's part of the angel's blade.

BA can't cast invis.

It would help if you list the typical Tau army you play against.

Honestly for once I actually agree with Martel and his grievances and I don't blame him. This is truly a historic thread.

But yeah RT are way too hard to kill, and the damage for their points is quite high, same issue with Grav Cents but Grav Cents are easier to kill, like a lot easier to kill.

It varies. Some lean on the Stormsurge now, others still lean on Riptide. Some have broadsides, some don't. Some deep strike fusion suits, some don't.

They're all filled with interceptor and have no skyfire. But, I quit using all stormraven-based lists because I expect DFTS to become core rules.

What's dropping the Knight in your list?

Yoyoyo wrote:
What's dropping the Knight in your list?

Who is that directed at?

This thread just gets better

It's a tremendous thread. The best thread.

That was directed at you, Martel.

The Knight can probably D-Blade or Stomp out the Riptides, if you can remove their support.

Yoyoyo wrote:
That was directed at you, Martel.

The Knight can probably D-Blade or Stomp out the Riptides, if you can remove their support.

That requires you getting close enough, and that you remove the support.

 BBAP wrote:
Astroglide Militarium

This is the best name ever.

 kronk wrote:

 BBAP wrote:
Astroglide Militarium

This is the best name ever.

I prefer Astroturf Military

Would make sense with all the green colour palettes going around in the Guard...

Yoyoyo wrote:
That was directed at you, Martel.

The Knight can probably D-Blade or Stomp out the Riptides, if you can remove their support.

My lists don't typically include knights because of all the WKs.

Martel732 wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
That was directed at you, Martel.

The Knight can probably D-Blade or Stomp out the Riptides, if you can remove their support.

My lists don't typically include knights because of all the WKs.

Yeah, why don't we quit ripping on tides (see what I did there? ) and talk about the true master of undercostedness, the Wraithknight. Especially the Skathach variety. Really Eldar in general are undercosted. Tau are much more fair. Everyone's arguments about the durability of the Riptide are a little bit misguided, considering in many situations there are better uses of the Nova reactor than a better invuln. (I usually Nova Charge my primary weapon, or Ripple Fire my secondary, because MOAR DAKKA!). So most of the time it's invuln is only 5+. Plenty of stuff can get through that. And if you want FnP on a Riptide, you pay a bucket of points for it. So it comes at the expense of additional firepower. Riptides are good, but they are properly expensive when kitted out for maximum durability.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
That was directed at you, Martel.

The Knight can probably D-Blade or Stomp out the Riptides, if you can remove their support.

My lists don't typically include knights because of all the WKs.

Yeah, why don't we quit ripping on tides (see what I did there? ) and talk about the true master of undercostedness, the Wraithknight. Especially the Skathach variety. Really Eldar in general are undercosted. Tau are much more fair. Everyone's arguments about the durability of the Riptide are a little bit misguided, considering in many situations there are better uses of the Nova reactor than a better invuln. (I usually Nova Charge my primary weapon, or Ripple Fire my secondary, because MOAR DAKKA!). So most of the time it's invuln is only 5+. Plenty of stuff can get through that. And if you want FnP on a Riptide, you pay a bucket of points for it. So it comes at the expense of additional firepower. Riptides are good, but they are properly expensive when kitted out for maximum durability.

I thought the Skathachs were less undercosted?

Even if the invul is 5+ you're still T6 2+ aren't you? Or am I wrong about that?

 Wolfblade wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
Martel then maybe shoot them Tau do not like being shot and unless your opponent has either got a ethereal in the list or paid for sergants or got lucky on his warlord trait most of his army is LD 8 at best with the exceptions of the commanders unit and the riptides. Heck use damn osykers against them because Tau have next to no psychic defence

Yeah, out shoot the shooty army, good luck. I don't even think they can spam psykers as they don't have access to the libby conclave.

So ally in a Conclave? Why whine and cry when we have the ability to easily fix literally any problem in an IoM force?

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
Martel then maybe shoot them Tau do not like being shot and unless your opponent has either got a ethereal in the list or paid for sergants or got lucky on his warlord trait most of his army is LD 8 at best with the exceptions of the commanders unit and the riptides. Heck use damn osykers against them because Tau have next to no psychic defence

Yeah, out shoot the shooty army, good luck. I don't even think they can spam psykers as they don't have access to the libby conclave.

So ally in a Conclave? Why whine and cry when we have the ability to easily fix literally any problem in an IoM force?

Because people don't play IoM. They play BA or SW or IG or SoB. If you're going to insist on allying in solutions to every issue we may as well just pick one codex for everyone to play.

pm713 wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
Martel then maybe shoot them Tau do not like being shot and unless your opponent has either got a ethereal in the list or paid for sergants or got lucky on his warlord trait most of his army is LD 8 at best with the exceptions of the commanders unit and the riptides. Heck use damn osykers against them because Tau have next to no psychic defence

Yeah, out shoot the shooty army, good luck. I don't even think they can spam psykers as they don't have access to the libby conclave.

So ally in a Conclave? Why whine and cry when we have the ability to easily fix literally any problem in an IoM force?

Because people don't play IoM. They play BA or SW or IG or SoB. If you're going to insist on allying in solutions to every issue we may as well just pick one codex for everyone to play.

Didn't you just do that by complaining about no Conclave for BA?

By the time I ally in a conclave, I might as well just play vanilla marines. There's nothing in the BA codex even worth making invisible.



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 ZergSmasher wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
That was directed at you, Martel.

The Knight can probably D-Blade or Stomp out the Riptides, if you can remove their support.

My lists don't typically include knights because of all the WKs.

Yeah, why don't we quit ripping on tides (see what I did there? ) and talk about the true master of undercostedness, the Wraithknight. Especially the Skathach variety. Really Eldar in general are undercosted. Tau are much more fair. Everyone's arguments about the durability of the Riptide are a little bit misguided, considering in many situations there are better uses of the Nova reactor than a better invuln. (I usually Nova Charge my primary weapon, or Ripple Fire my secondary, because MOAR DAKKA!). So most of the time it's invuln is only 5+. Plenty of stuff can get through that. And if you want FnP on a Riptide, you pay a bucket of points for it. So it comes at the expense of additional firepower. Riptides are good, but they are properly expensive when kitted out for maximum durability.

Wraithknight is actually easier to kill because it only has base 3+ armor. This actually makes a huge difference. Krak missiles are back in the picture, as are any other AP 3 high strength weapon the Riptide just laughs off. It's hard to spam wounds on the WK, but if you can, it takes far more than the Riptide. Plus, the best invuln it can get is 5++, so grav works MUCH better vs the WK. I'm not sure which one is truly more obnoxious. Riptide is able to be poisoned, but 2+/5+++ makes poison functionally useless. Also, Eldar don't have interceptor, so skyhammer is totally a thing vs WK. Skyhammer just becomes road pizza vs Tau.


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 ZergSmasher wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
That was directed at you, Martel.

The Knight can probably D-Blade or Stomp out the Riptides, if you can remove their support.

My lists don't typically include knights because of all the WKs.

Yeah, why don't we quit ripping on tides (see what I did there? ) and talk about the true master of undercostedness, the Wraithknight. Especially the Skathach variety. Really Eldar in general are undercosted. Tau are much more fair. Everyone's arguments about the durability of the Riptide are a little bit misguided, considering in many situations there are better uses of the Nova reactor than a better invuln. (I usually Nova Charge my primary weapon, or Ripple Fire my secondary, because MOAR DAKKA!). So most of the time it's invuln is only 5+. Plenty of stuff can get through that. And if you want FnP on a Riptide, you pay a bucket of points for it. So it comes at the expense of additional firepower. Riptides are good, but they are properly expensive when kitted out for maximum durability.

FNP is disgustingly cheap on the Riptide. Also, there's almost never a reason to do anything but the shield. Immortal model >> more dakka. Riptides are still far, far, FAR too cheap kitted out.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 BBAP wrote:
Astroglide Militarium

This is the best name ever.

I prefer Astroturf Military

Would make sense with all the green colour palettes going around in the Guard...

I don't think anyone uses **that** name for them except GW. It's always Astroglide Millitarium, Astral Vomitarum, Astrid Milligan, Ass-tar Milipede, or sometimes even "the Imperial Guard".

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Everyone's arguments about the durability of the Riptide are a little bit misguided, considering in many situations there are better uses of the Nova reactor than a better invuln.

This would be a valid argument if nova charging the weapon actually mattered. If the ion weapon was STR 8 AP 4 and only got AP 2 with the nova charge then there would be a reason to do it, but giving it AP 2 by default makes the nova version redundant. The vast majority of the time you nova charge for the 3++.

 Peregrine wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Everyone's arguments about the durability of the Riptide are a little bit misguided, considering in many situations there are better uses of the Nova reactor than a better invuln.

This would be a valid argument if nova charging the weapon actually mattered. If the ion weapon was STR 8 AP 4 and only got AP 2 with the nova charge then there would be a reason to do it, but giving it AP 2 by default makes the nova version redundant. The vast majority of the time you nova charge for the 3++.

Works a treat on the HBC, which I'm starting to like better than the Ion Accelerator at a TAC weapon. I've lost way too many IA blast shots to Gets Hot.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
Martel then maybe shoot them Tau do not like being shot and unless your opponent has either got a ethereal in the list or paid for sergants or got lucky on his warlord trait most of his army is LD 8 at best with the exceptions of the commanders unit and the riptides. Heck use damn osykers against them because Tau have next to no psychic defence

Yeah, out shoot the shooty army, good luck. I don't even think they can spam psykers as they don't have access to the libby conclave.

So ally in a Conclave? Why whine and cry when we have the ability to easily fix literally any problem in an IoM force?

Because people don't play IoM. They play BA or SW or IG or SoB. If you're going to insist on allying in solutions to every issue we may as well just pick one codex for everyone to play.

Didn't you just do that by complaining about no Conclave for BA?

Because allies are their own set of problems for a different thread. (see: barkstar/superfriends), and the best unit BA have that MIGHT be a decent invis choice is DC, which against Tau armies with an abundance of markerlights is far less of a problem than it normally is.

And why should I care about his grirvences when its because of people like him crying that csm got one of their only 2 good units nerfed into oblivion. So sorry but I ain't sorry
PS I'd love to see all imperial codeces down to the level of csm before traitor legions