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This hasn't been confirmed by HBO that I've seen, but there's a lot of noise this evening suggesting that Bloodmoon, the series with Naomi Watts cast, has been canned. Seems unclear, as it's all heavily secretive of course, but some places are saying this is before, and some after, an expensive pilot episode filmed earlier in the year.
Would link to a source, but there's nothing more credible than British tabloids right now.
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Odd, had heard that the GoT directors had dropped from making the Star Wars films that they were slated to do so they can focus on their other projects.
Theres at least one other spinoff in development I believe, so it isn't necessarily either/or.
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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
They made a pilot, and it wasn't picked up for a series order. This kind of thing happens all the time. What's surprising is that a GoT spinoff pilot didn't get picked up.
ingtaer wrote: Odd, had heard that the GoT directors had dropped from making the Star Wars films that they were slated to do so they can focus on their other projects.
They had nothing to do with this show. Benniof and Weiss are doing stuff for Netflix.
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What's surprising is that a GoT spinoff pilot didn't get picked up.
Well, quite.
This isn't a production company making a pilot and failing to get it picked up either, this is the network that produced the core show initiating a spin off, apparently starting filming and then canning it.
Which poses two questions to my mind, either
a) Was the backlash for the final season way worse than it appears?
or
b)How much worse was Bloodmoon shaping up to be to get put down like this?!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Few more details emerging, seems the pilot was "not well received" and this is coming off the back of an announcement that another prequel show has been commissioned.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Yeah. Twitter isn't real life, so the backlash against Season 8 is largely irrelevant compared to the sheer amount of people that watched it and enjoyed it. So I doubt that had anything to do with it.
Maybe it just wasn't a good pilot.
Of course, GoT apparently had a shocking pilot as well, but that still went into production (and most of the pilot was shot), although some suspect that HBO had already sold the viewing rights to billions of different networks, so had to make good on that.
Cable channel HBO has given the go-ahead for a prequel series to the hit fantasy TV show Game of Thrones.
House of the Dragon will be set about 300 years before events in the original series, which ended its eight-season run earlier this year.
The announcement came hours after another planned prequel, due to star Naomi Watts, was reportedly cancelled.
Game of Thrones was HBO's most popular series. It won multiple Emmy awards and drew tens of millions of viewers.
"It's my pleasure to announce today that we are ordering House of the Dragon straight to series for HBO," said Casey Bloys, president of HBO programming, at a launch event in Los Angeles for the HBO Max streaming platform.
"It tells the story of House Targaryen and the early days of Westeros."
In a tweet, Games of Thrones said House of the Dragon would be co-produced by Game of Thrones author George RR Martin, Ryan Condal and Miguel Sapochnik.
A pilot episode for an unnamed prequel starring Oscar nominee Naomi Watts was filmed over the summer.
Earlier on Tuesday, sources quoted by The Hollywood Reporter said executive producer Jane Goldman had emailed the cast telling them that HBO had cancelled the show.
The reasons behind the decision were not immediately clear and HBO did not comment.
However, entertainment website Deadline reported that the pilot had not been well received by HBO.
That prequel, also co-created by George RR Martin, was reported to have been set about 5,000 years before events in the original series.
On Monday, Game of Thrones writers David Benioff and DB Weiss announced that they had left the next Star Wars trilogy, due to launch in 2022. The news came after the pair signed an exclusive deal with Netflix.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah. Twitter isn't real life, so the backlash against Season 8 is largely irrelevant compared to the sheer amount of people that watched it and enjoyed it. So I doubt that had anything to do with it.
The backlash against S08 was felt far outside of twitter and I sincerely doubt HBO is happy how the series ended.
might be the better call as broadly the same pieces (Houses, locations, social set up) are on the board, hopefully it'll start with some dragon burniation and then settle into plots and backstabbery as outright fighting dragons without dragons is a tad leroy
a pre-history prequel may have not connected as well, especially as Westori 'history' is a mish max of fables and half-truths and unreliable at best
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"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
Keep in mind just how badly the Ds burned their bridges at HBO on their way out with GoT (not to mention other semi-contemporary own-goals like trying to drop a "What if slavery was still a thing: told from the enslavers perspective" series). Getting snubbed, or alternatively HBO not being willing to take a chance with them again, is not an unforeseen consequence.
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Cable channel HBO has given the go-ahead for a prequel series to the hit fantasy TV show Game of Thrones.
House of the Dragon will be set about 300 years before events in the original series, which ended its eight-season run earlier this year.
The announcement came hours after another planned prequel, due to star Naomi Watts, was reportedly cancelled.
Game of Thrones was HBO's most popular series. It won multiple Emmy awards and drew tens of millions of viewers.
"It's my pleasure to announce today that we are ordering House of the Dragon straight to series for HBO," said Casey Bloys, president of HBO programming, at a launch event in Los Angeles for the HBO Max streaming platform.
"It tells the story of House Targaryen and the early days of Westeros."
In a tweet, Games of Thrones said House of the Dragon would be co-produced by Game of Thrones author George RR Martin, Ryan Condal and Miguel Sapochnik.
A pilot episode for an unnamed prequel starring Oscar nominee Naomi Watts was filmed over the summer.
Earlier on Tuesday, sources quoted by The Hollywood Reporter said executive producer Jane Goldman had emailed the cast telling them that HBO had cancelled the show.
The reasons behind the decision were not immediately clear and HBO did not comment.
However, entertainment website Deadline reported that the pilot had not been well received by HBO.
That prequel, also co-created by George RR Martin, was reported to have been set about 5,000 years before events in the original series.
On Monday, Game of Thrones writers David Benioff and DB Weiss announced that they had left the next Star Wars trilogy, due to launch in 2022. The news came after the pair signed an exclusive deal with Netflix.
Now this sounds more like it - Dragons, inter house politics and conquest.
But can they provide a new Joffrey, the man we loved to hate?
Of all the issues across the seasons, they never quite provided a villain worthy of succeeding the spoiled one.
He had no agency, other than being a spoiled Brat, and the actor absolutely nailed it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Remember, it's not enough that we hate them - we have to hate their success and station in life. That was Joffrey's main appeal.
He never worked for anything, and didn't deserve anything, yet was so coddled and protected, despite being an objectively vile human being with absolutely no redeeming features.
That they managed to get that on screen, without him turning into a Pantomime villain was very, very impressive.
Likewise, the 'two sides of the same coin' between Cersei and Olena. Both mothers concerned solely with maintaining station, and looking out for their kids. One was a nasty bit of work, the other was a nasty bit of work with style and panache.
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dyndraig wrote: The backlash against S08 was felt far outside of twitter and I sincerely doubt HBO is happy how the series ended.
With massive success where the ratings for the final episode were seven times that of the first, something that is virtually unheard of in the world of TV?
Yeah. I'm sure HBO hates having such a massive and overwhelming world-wide accomplishment.
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Of all the issues across the seasons, they never quite provided a villain worthy of succeeding the spoiled one.
He had no agency, other than being a spoiled Brat, and the actor absolutely nailed it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Remember, it's not enough that we hate them - we have to hate their success and station in life. That was Joffrey's main appeal.
He never worked for anything, and didn't deserve anything, yet was so coddled and protected, despite being an objectively vile human being with absolutely no redeeming features.
That they managed to get that on screen, without him turning into a Pantomime villain was very, very impressive.
Likewise, the 'two sides of the same coin' between Cersei and Olena. Both mothers concerned solely with maintaining station, and looking out for their kids. One was a nasty bit of work, the other was a nasty bit of work with style and panache.
I'm really not sure why they tried so hard to get us to sympathize with Cersei. I know the answer is "because the books" but it really didn't help the lack of focus on the back half.
I appreciated the effort all the same. It kind of helped humanise her, and paint her as a damaged individual.
However, I think they could've stood to make her go more loopy when blowing up the Sept of Balor lead directly to her last living son topping himself.
Just popping a sprog in her belly cheated that somewhat. I think a Cersei with nothing to lose and nothing to gain could've been somewhat more interesting.
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In a lot of ways Danny falls in the same trap. The setbacks in Meereen stall her momentum and make it hard for, what feels like the point of the ending to really land. If she had been able to keep on conquering "bad people" right up to the point where she conquered the "bad people" we care about; I think they could have gotten the point across without needing Tyrion to explain it to the audience. That's the importance of pacing though, and at this point, GoT is a franchise defined by the importance of pacing.
dyndraig wrote: The backlash against S08 was felt far outside of twitter and I sincerely doubt HBO is happy how the series ended.
With massive success where the ratings for the final episode were seven times that of the first, something that is virtually unheard of in the world of TV?
Simply assuming you'll retain the numbers after burning bridges with your audience has doomed more than one genre spinoff. You need to critically and dispassionately assess the impact of the Season 8 finale in order to manage expectations.
Episode 1 of a new series isn't going to do as well as the series finale, it doesn't have the inertia. What it needs to do is capture its audience and grow it - including roping in those who feel burned by the series finale but can still be salvaged. It needs to be more like the early seasons, it needs to grow the brand again.
"House Dragon" has been given the go-ahead - The series will be about Aegon Targaryen's conquest of Westeros. Now I have my own expectations for this.. Aegon was an unrelenting, uncompromising conqueror riding Balerion the black dread(the biggest dragon ever in westerose) into battle and melting castles...Man on a mission of righteous conquest. No fething about, no BS whitewashing to fit social norm etc. Straight up conquest. This means Aegon would have to be a certain way... And cnnot be a B!tch... I have my misgivings about HBOS ability to capture this due to the current sociopolitical climate. Time will tell. I'm hopeful we will get to see massive battles, burnig of cities and righteous conquest in all its glory!
The other "untitled" prequel that got canned was set 3000 years before GOT and revolved around Age of Heroes. It was supposed to Star Naomi Watts amogst others, Little is know about this prequel and the source lore is very sparse so anyone's guess what the problem was. All we know is that the producers did not like it... That could be any number of things. Maybe it was too gritty for TV.. Maybe it did not have enough boobs..I imagine one factor is the dissociation from GOT. It would be an entirely different period/theme to the GOT we know. Bit like comparing classical greeks vs medieval in terms of aesthetics I would imagine. I would sure as hell love to see this prequel!
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dyndraig wrote: The backlash against S08 was felt far outside of twitter and I sincerely doubt HBO is happy how the series ended.
With massive success where the ratings for the final episode were seven times that of the first, something that is virtually unheard of in the world of TV?
Simply assuming you'll retain the numbers after burning bridges with your audience has doomed more than one genre spinoff. You need to critically and dispassionately assess the impact of the Season 8 finale in order to manage expectations.
Episode 1 of a new series isn't going to do as well as the series finale, it doesn't have the inertia. What it needs to do is capture its audience and grow it - including roping in those who feel burned by the series finale but can still be salvaged. It needs to be more like the early seasons, it needs to grow the brand again.
I didn't like the last couple seasons of GoT, but I also recognize that ratings are more real than some hyperbolic fan complaints online. Just applying Occam's Razor here, the reason the show wasn't picked up is almost certainly because the pilot just wasn't good or inspiring. It had been rumored that it was a troubled production, so this isn't really shocking in that context.
This is the same thing as the outraged SW blaaarghosphere taking credit for 'tanking' Solo. The list of things that sunk that movie includes a troubled production, an uninspired concept, an overinflated budget, and a general lack of interest in the character without the actor who created it.
Of all the issues across the seasons, they never quite provided a villain worthy of succeeding the spoiled one.
He had no agency, other than being a spoiled Brat, and the actor absolutely nailed it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Remember, it's not enough that we hate them - we have to hate their success and station in life. That was Joffrey's main appeal.
He never worked for anything, and didn't deserve anything, yet was so coddled and protected, despite being an objectively vile human being with absolutely no redeeming features.
That they managed to get that on screen, without him turning into a Pantomime villain was very, very impressive.
Likewise, the 'two sides of the same coin' between Cersei and Olena. Both mothers concerned solely with maintaining station, and looking out for their kids. One was a nasty bit of work, the other was a nasty bit of work with style and panache.
Its all about
Joffrey was a bad boy - a spolit child with power
Ramsey was a bad Man and enjoyed being one - he was much more fun
The conquest and Dance of Dragons really sounds an exciting time to portray - hopeful
The other prequal just seemed a bit dull - sure maybe some people want to see the beginning of the story but lots of people want to see more of the good stuff they enjoyed in GOT.
So Backstabbing nobles, sex, violence and and dragons
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I wonder about this one, because the book it's based on - Fire & Blood - starts off very strong with the conquest, which should play well. However right around the middle it starts turning into functionally a textbook and is often quite dry.
Perhaps they will cover the Doom, which would be amazing.
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Ouze wrote: I wonder about this one, because the book it's based on - Fire & Blood - starts off very strong with the conquest, which should play well. However right around the middle it starts turning into functionally a textbook and is often quite dry.
Perhaps they will cover the Doom, which would be amazing.
How does it compare with the original novels - I enjoyed the first few but lost interest as it became more and more turgid, sprawling and frankly dull?
Is this another series the author had not finished?
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Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
If I recall, this one doesn't run up to Robert's Rebellion - so while that would be the more natural ending, it just kind of stops. It runs from somewhat before the conquest, and goes up until 150 years or so afterward. The rebellion happened just shy of 300 years after the conquest - so, about half the history prior to the start of GoT. My assumption is at some point there will be a second one, though it hasn't even been announced as an idea yet.
If you thought the other ones were turgid and dull, you will hate this one.
Now considering, Martin’s spent the best part of the last decade working on The Winds of Winter, alongside Fire and Blood and some smaller works, it seems that Fire and Blood 2 won’t arrive for maybe up to 10 years.
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So, never then. GRRM is already past 70 and he's not exactly cutting the figure of a man whose lifestyle is conducive to long life.
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