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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/22 17:26:09
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
Some where in the Canadian deathlands
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I know that everyone's fav backstabbing rats were ported over from FB into 40k but how powerful of a faction are they in 40K?
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" For every Guardsmen lost a trillion more will take his place and deliver the Emperor's wrath upon the scum of the galaxy, be it heretic, xenos or the dirty traitors to humanity. " |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/22 17:36:19
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Otiose in a Niche
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Never officially happened.
Some folks made skaven conversion armies. Some folks say the (rarely seed) Hurd aliens are Space Skaven. Mantic made a space rat army.
But no official Skaven in 40k
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/22 17:51:05
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:Never officially happened.
Some folks made skaven conversion armies. Some folks say the (rarely seed) Hurd aliens are Space Skaven. Mantic made a space rat army.
But no official Skaven in 40k 
Really, well looks like I was wrong about the rats being officially ported over to 40k after the end of WHFB, thanks for the info.
But still you have to wonder how they would fair in the 40k verse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/22 19:21:07
Subject: Re:How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Here's the art from the 3rd edition rules everyone remembers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/22 20:15:59
Subject: Re:How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
Some where in the Canadian deathlands
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I think I had that rule book when I started getting back into WH40k back in the mid 90's, I remember having Rouge Trader when it first came out back in the 80's, good times then.
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" For every Guardsmen lost a trillion more will take his place and deliver the Emperor's wrath upon the scum of the galaxy, be it heretic, xenos or the dirty traitors to humanity. " |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/23 03:16:29
Subject: Re:How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Hrud are, at least physically, Space Skaven. Ratlike humanoids who cover themselves in filthy rags. But the similarities mostly stop there. They're a relatively small insignificant threat.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/23 03:20:29
Subject: Re:How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
Some where in the Canadian deathlands
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Grey Templar wrote:Hrud are, at least physically, Space Skaven. Ratlike humanoids who cover themselves in filthy rags. But the similarities mostly stop there. They're a relatively small insignificant threat.
Ok then, did not know that about the Hrud, thanks for the info.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/23 04:57:47
Subject: Re:How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Grey Templar wrote:Hrud are, at least physically, Space Skaven. Ratlike humanoids who cover themselves in filthy rags. But the similarities mostly stop there. They're a relatively small insignificant threat.
Eh. Do we have a source on the "rat-like" thing? The only evidence I've seen of that is the picture in the post above that looks like a rat tail (but might not be). Plus, compare that kroot and the clawed fiend in that pic to their current incarnations. That "rat tail" might not be very representative of where hrud have landed more recently.
They show up very rarely in novels/short stories. From what I remember in Gods of Mars, they're not particularly rat-like. And Xenology has them looking more like... inflatable squishy Swamp Thing types. Nothing against hurd-as-rats if that's your thing. It's just that I've heard people say hrud = skaven and never actually seen much evidence that that's the case.
Semi-related note: I have some skaven that are going to be getting kitbashed to serve as dark mechanicus experiments that use the rules for ratlings in my chaos-using-imperial-rules army.
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ATTENTION. Psychic tests are unfluffy. Your longing for AV is understandable but misguided. Your chapter doesn't need a separate codex. Doctrines should go away. Being a "troop" means nothing. This has been a cranky service announcement. You may now resume your regularly scheduled arguing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/23 06:30:42
Subject: Re:How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hrud
More or less. They have a rat-like tail in their current version, they were much more ratlike in their older versions.
Relatively speaking to all the existing alien races, they are ratlike. But from a more objective general view, perhaps not so much. They are more humanoid than rat, they just have some intersectional features with the skaven. Tails, putrid flesh, wearing rags, etc...
Its about as solid of a connection as you can get with the mushy 40k fluff.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/23 12:46:06
Subject: Re:How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Grey Templar wrote:Hrud are, at least physically, Space Skaven. Ratlike humanoids who cover themselves in filthy rags. But the similarities mostly stop there. They're a relatively small insignificant threat.
Hrud are not physically space skaven or even remotely ratlike. These are the two most recent canon depictions of a Hrud:
There is no ratlike tail nor anything else that would paint them as a rat. If you encounter rats that look like that in the real world, you best call in the military because you got a big problem on your hands. To say they are a "relatively small insignificant threat" is also inaccurate within the context of the lore that paints them as being the most populous race in the galaxy with tech that could potentially devastate humanity if they ever united or attempted to make an effort to attack the Imperium instead of hiding out in the dark recesses of human civilization.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/23 15:25:02
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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chaos0xomega - you are right about the more recent depictions, but another thing to consider is the background context to Hrud and Skaven in 40k - for a lot of years there were rumours of them being ported over (I would say mid to late 90s). When the word 'Hrud' got mentioned many people assumed that they were the Space Skaven from the descriptions.
Then the Xenobiology book came along and that changed things - the pictures you have posted don't load for me I'm afraid, but if it's the one of the swamp thing type monster I remember that really surprising people with the change in direction.
I wish someone would ask Andy Chambers or Rick Priestly about it in an interview or something, I would love to know how close it actually came to being a proper faction in 40k. Whether Jes Goodwin or anyone else did any sketches for prototypes as was done for the updated Squats.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/23 15:31:02
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Hmm, wierdly the images aren't working for me either, they were when I posted them (I always check to confirm, both in preview and in post). In any case, you can see them both on this link:
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Hrud
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/23 17:25:20
Subject: Re:How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I’m more interested in the Chuffin power maul. I’m assuming some sort of small empire of Yorkshiremen exists. Nowt like a proper chuffin power maul when tha’ needs bash a wrongun’ on tha’ ‘ead
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/23 20:00:29
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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I'm pretty sure skavenesque mutants/beastmen could exist in 40K. The lore mostly deals with large scale factions, after all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/24 00:41:06
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
Some where in the Canadian deathlands
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tauist wrote:I'm pretty sure skavenesque mutants/beastmen could exist in 40K. The lore mostly deals with large scale factions, after all.
Interesting, I will have to think about this as well as a lot of other 40k related stuff now that things seemed to have calmed down some what in my life.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/25 13:39:31
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Actually, it kinda did. In End Times in WFB, Skaven managed to psychically contact a Craftworld:
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/01/40kfantasy-crossover-skaven-eldar-telephone-call.html
Now on 40K side of things, there is a cameo in recent Liber Xenologis book and multiple mentions in WD, such as White Dwarf 109 (Jan 1989) page 52 / Warhammer 40,000: Compendium (1989) page 153:
Sniper rifles function in the same way as lasguns, but also project a microscopically thin sliver of crystal which is driven by the tight photon stream and enters the body of the target through the wound made by the laser. On striking the target, the crystal dissolves into a powerful neurotoxin, which affects the target immediately.
On a successful hit, do not make the usual Strength vs Toughness roll. The target only makes a saving throw against the shot and if he fails the neurotoxin is delivered into his system and takes immediate effect.
Several race-specific poisons are available. Each poison is effective against the listed race or races and has absolutely no effect against targets of other races (eg shooting an Eldar with Orthotoxin has no effect if he fails his saving throw - the same shot using Eldrotoxin would instantly kill the Eldar).
Poison - Race Affected
Eldrotoxin - Eldar
Orkotoxin - Orks and Gretchin
Orthotoxin - Humans and Abhumans (including Ogryns, Ratlings and Beastmen)
Slannotoxin - Slann
Tyranotoxin - Tyranids and Zoats
Rodotoxin - Skaven
Ferrotoxin - Genestealers
Haemotoxin - Vampires
No poison has been found that is effective against Daemons and Possessed.
There were even minis once, too:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/25 15:31:36
Subject: Re:How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Hrud are fought and described extensively in Perturabo: The Hammer of Olympia and The Infinite and The Divine. The only ratlike qualities they have is that they live in enormous underground warrens numbering in the billions. Other than that, I wouldn't connect them to Skaven at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/25 16:21:08
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Battleship Captain
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That title is extremely misleading. The actual text is extremely vague, the Skaven used a strange device and began to hear a voice that sounded like the elves, but they couldn't understand it so they destroyed the device.
That's it.
Typical misleading title.
Anywho, I've always considered Skaven canon in 40k as abhumans in the same way Beastmen are.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/25 16:58:15
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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kirotheavenger wrote:Anywho, I've always considered Skaven canon in 40k as abhumans in the same way Beastmen are.
This. I have no problem with ratmen existing in 40k. But they're not the Hrud.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/25 17:40:30
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Otiose in a Niche
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Irbis wrote:
Warhammer 40,000: Compendium (1989) page 153:
Sniper rifles function in the same way as lasguns, but also project a microscopically thin sliver of crystal which is driven by the tight photon stream and enters the body of the target through the wound made by the laser. On striking the target, the crystal dissolves into a powerful neurotoxin, which affects the target immediately.
On a successful hit, do not make the usual Strength vs Toughness roll. The target only makes a saving throw against the shot and if he fails the neurotoxin is delivered into his system and takes immediate effect.
Several race-specific poisons are available. Each poison is effective against the listed race or races and has absolutely no effect against targets of other races (eg shooting an Eldar with Orthotoxin has no effect if he fails his saving throw - the same shot using Eldrotoxin would instantly kill the Eldar).
Poison - Race Affected
Eldrotoxin - Eldar
Orkotoxin - Orks and Gretchin
Orthotoxin - Humans and Abhumans (including Ogryns, Ratlings and Beastmen)
Slannotoxin - Slann
Tyranotoxin - Tyranids and Zoats
Rodotoxin - Skaven
Ferrotoxin - Genestealers
Haemotoxin - Vampires
No poison has been found that is effective against Daemons and Possessed.
There were even minis once, too:

(Slow clap)
I stand corrected sir.
Skaven are in fact a recognized 40k faction.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/25 17:54:07
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Any idea when that was released? - I don't remember seeing it before.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/25 18:26:16
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Well, both yes and no. It's not stated outright but space elves dwelling among the stars can be only one thing in the setting
beast_gts wrote:Any idea when that was released? - I don't remember seeing it before.
Actually, I dug up a bit for you and while multiple sites say it's legit prototype mini, there are suggestions it might be a conversion:
https://pariedolia.weebly.com/nimh/rats-in-spaaace
Though funnily enough this page has also 40K skaven concept art so yeah, the faction is canon in all but name
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/25 18:58:57
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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The device is described as "speaking to beings that dwell beyond the stars" and Fantasy and 40k are meant to be entirely separate settings.
I don't doubt that the writer was including a vague "maybe maybe, te he" reference/easteregg to Eldar.
But I think it's a long way from being anything actually linking the two universes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/25 20:07:46
Subject: Re:How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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chaos0xomega wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Hrud are, at least physically, Space Skaven. Ratlike humanoids who cover themselves in filthy rags. But the similarities mostly stop there. They're a relatively small insignificant threat.
Hrud are not physically space skaven or even remotely ratlike. These are the two most recent canon depictions of a Hrud:
There is no ratlike tail nor anything else that would paint them as a rat. If you encounter rats that look like that in the real world, you best call in the military because you got a big problem on your hands. To say they are a "relatively small insignificant threat" is also inaccurate within the context of the lore that paints them as being the most populous race in the galaxy with tech that could potentially devastate humanity if they ever united or attempted to make an effort to attack the Imperium instead of hiding out in the dark recesses of human civilization.
All too convenient how both Lexicanum and the 40k Wiki (which I wouldn't trust with much they put on there anyway...) both cut out the notation from that picture, which can be found in Xenology. " Speculative artist's impression of a Hrud, minus typical shroud. Taken from supposed eyewitness accounts."
Their appearance is still quite up in the air. Not to mention the ratty one appears again the 7th(?) rulebook.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/25 21:48:49
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Irbis wrote:Actually, I dug up a bit for you and while multiple sites say it's legit prototype mini, there are suggestions it might be a conversion
Thanks Irbis. It looks like someone took Clan Rat with Halberd 1 and swapped the Halberd for a Eldar Lasgun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/25 22:33:43
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/26 21:29:56
Subject: Re:How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Closest I remember to skaven being canon in 40k is this from ratling sniper rifle rules 1st edition compendium.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/03/01 15:05:01
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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kirotheavenger wrote:The device is described as "speaking to beings that dwell beyond the stars" and Fantasy and 40k are meant to be entirely separate settings.
I don't doubt that the writer was including a vague "maybe maybe, te he" reference/easteregg to Eldar.
But I think it's a long way from being anything actually linking the two universes.
There have always been quite fun allusions to the two being linked (or at least used to, before the old world was destroyed) - I remember talk of Sigmar being a Primarch (his coming heralded by a falling star, that being when the Primarchs were spirited away by Chaos etc. and him being the mightiest of warriors) and things like Chaos Warriors being armed with boltguns way back then.
Like you say though it will always be hints/Easter eggs, there will never be anything completely official.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/03/01 17:01:55
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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In the End Times there was a bit where the Skaven made some sort of 2-way video communication device (think it was called the "Farsqueaker") which they used to accidentally call what is strongly implied to be the eldar.
Theres also that one grey knight who more or less shows up to do some damage to nurgles garden.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/03/01 18:48:37
Subject: How powerful are the Skaven in WH40K?
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chaos0xomega wrote:In the End Times there was a bit where the Skaven made some sort of 2-way video communication device (think it was called the "Farsqueaker") which they used to accidentally call what is strongly implied to be the eldar.
Theres also that one grey knight who more or less shows up to do some damage to nurgles garden.
The Farsqueaker first turned up in Skavenslayer (probably my favourite Gotrek novel).
But yes. In End Times Thanquol, the Skaven accidentally prank called the Eldar. I’m also fairly sure that during another one (Khaine or Glottkin), someone met that Grey Knight that keeps phasing in and out of the Warp?
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