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2015/07/25 00:29:51
Subject: The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)
Sounds like a fun list to be honest. Not sure how many Stealers the opponent could kill before they get there, lol
Well on an table with a decent amount of cover, and ruins. Not a lot after infiltrating.
Everything goes to ground and then dominions go up.
Here's a little bit of advise for people running Tyranid CADs with Leviathan Detachment, as far as you can do it, any units that have the instinctive behaviour rule, take from the Leviathan Detachment, that re roll on the IB table can be hugely important. The only unit I wouldn't do this for is Rippers as their ObSec is more important.
Sup dudes, working on list for Nova. I'm currently at 1785 with
Dual CAD:
3x Flyrants w/devs and electro
1x Superbeast w/RoO, scytal, regeneration, adrenal glands, old adversary, ymgarl factor, electro shock
Tervigon w/electro
30 Gants
2 Mucolids
Malanthrope
3 individual Biovores
3 Lictors
But what to do with the remaining 65? Part of me wants to work in two more biovores, so I have 5 bombing each round (Necrons have me gunshy) I can add a fourth lictor, or a ton of sporemines. Ideas on how to approach it?
Iechine wrote: Sup dudes, working on list for Nova. I'm currently at 1785 with
Dual CAD:
3x Flyrants w/devs and electro
1x Superbeast w/RoO, scytal, regeneration, adrenal glands, old adversary, ymgarl factor, electro shock
Tervigon w/electro
30 Gants
2 Mucolids
Malanthrope
3 individual Biovores
3 Lictors
But what to do with the remaining 65? Part of me wants to work in two more biovores, so I have 5 bombing each round (Necrons have me gunshy) I can add a fourth lictor, or a ton of sporemines. Ideas on how to approach it?
Not too sure other than the primer. Plenty of per round scoring opportunities a la maelstrom, so the DS lictors serve a purpose (as would DS obsec rippers).
Also, check out the awesome box my wife just made me for my bugs to go to Nova.
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Just a quick question, guys: can Nids make use of an Aegis Defence Line? Not necessarily any gun emplacement on it, but I'm more thinking of being able to claim the cover and to use a Comms Relay...
Going to a 1500 point tournament in a couple of weeks time, Eternal War missions, as many detachments as you like, no comp, it's all a bit insane, I'm taking this.
Eldercaveman wrote: Going to a 1500 point tournament in a couple of weeks time, Eternal War missions, as many detachments as you like, no comp, it's all a bit insane, I'm taking this.
Eldercaveman wrote: Going to a 1500 point tournament in a couple of weeks time, Eternal War missions, as many detachments as you like, no comp, it's all a bit insane, I'm taking this.
Eldercaveman wrote: It's for a GT warm up event. Honestly I was considering some of our super heavies, but since you can take 3 Wraithknights, there is very little point.
To be honest the main GT circuits this year is a bit of a joke with the new committee so I'm boycotting it anyway.
Yeah when you can get 2 WKs for 1.1 scythed hierodules there is a definite issue with cost effectiveness.
5 flyrants and a crone will be more effective and I may change my mind and run it instead, but I really like playing with the scythed one so far
2015/07/27 16:51:00
Subject: The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)
Iechine wrote: Sup dudes, working on list for Nova. I'm currently at 1785 with
Dual CAD:
3x Flyrants w/devs and electro
1x Superbeast w/RoO, scytal, regeneration, adrenal glands, old adversary, ymgarl factor, electro shock
Tervigon w/electro
30 Gants
2 Mucolids
Malanthrope
3 individual Biovores
3 Lictors
But what to do with the remaining 65? Part of me wants to work in two more biovores, so I have 5 bombing each round (Necrons have me gunshy) I can add a fourth lictor, or a ton of sporemines. Ideas on how to approach it?
If you can get 25 more points from somewhere, I'd add a Sporefield formation, spores with infiltrate and the chance to come back after exploded or exploding (4+ like gants from endless swarm) is good, and fun... and disturbing. (3 x Mucolid spore clusters + 3 x Spore mines clusters) only 90 points. Spores exploding and Deep Striking the next turn, and again. I'm trying to run it next time with some friends.
EDIT: The guy below is right, just 25 more points. (edited that )
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2015/07/27 16:58:55
Subject: The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)
Iechine wrote: Sup dudes, working on list for Nova. I'm currently at 1785 with
Dual CAD:
3x Flyrants w/devs and electro
1x Superbeast w/RoO, scytal, regeneration, adrenal glands, old adversary, ymgarl factor, electro shock
Tervigon w/electro
30 Gants
2 Mucolids
Malanthrope
3 individual Biovores
3 Lictors
But what to do with the remaining 65? Part of me wants to work in two more biovores, so I have 5 bombing each round (Necrons have me gunshy) I can add a fourth lictor, or a ton of sporemines. Ideas on how to approach it?
If you can get 35 more points from somewhere, I'd add a Sporefield formation, spores with infiltrate and the chance to come back after exploded or exploding (4+) is good, and fun... and disturbing.
If you drop a lictor or a biovore, I second this idea for sporefield. Highly unlikely to be tabled if you just deploy the spores, force your opponent to not take the first blood mission in nova (any killed spore won't give up victory points, but will take away first blood), and 4+ to return is great. With your 65 points, all you need is actually 25 points to nab that sporefield.
ITC 2016 - Best of Harlequins
2015/07/27 17:57:26
Subject: The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)
Where did you get the impression that Nids didn't do well in the ATC? They weren't as dominant as Eldar but there were quite a few Nid lists that did very well.
2015/07/27 20:42:39
Subject: The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)
Iechine wrote: Not too sure other than the primer. Plenty of per round scoring opportunities a la maelstrom, so the DS lictors serve a purpose (as would DS obsec rippers).
Also, check out the awesome box my wife just made me for my bugs to go to Nova.
I would say that not putting an army in the top 5 means nothing at all about how an army performed. After all, not a single one of the top 5 players was on a team that was in the top 10. 4 of the 5 best players were on teams that weren't even in the top half of the rankings... I'm going to go ahead and say that those results mean absolutely nothing. As much as I love the ATC format and event, it is not a good judge of army strength as who you play is so unreliable and can depend on matchups. The ATC is hardly a bad sign for Nids, quite a few good teams had Nid players in them. That is what matters, the ranking of the team, not of the player. There were Nid players on at least half of the top 10 teams, and while I agree they did not reach an Eldar level of productivity, they are certainly not bad. My personal measure on how good an army is would be how many of the top 10 teams included that army.
2015/07/27 23:43:06
Subject: Re:The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)
Question for everyone: Is the Swarmlord worth it still? I love the fluff and the ability of the Swarmlord to murder anything in close combat. But he seems like a lot of points that has to get to the target. Is hive guard wounds the way to go? Or drop him in a pod and make people shake in fear? Or just run more Flyrants?
2015/07/27 23:54:46
Subject: The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)
I didn't mean to imply Tyranids are bad - obviously they are strong - the flying circus build is a solid counter to the current meta. I did go up against the top Space Wolf and it was rock solid... WolfStar has made a big comeback. Some players may have gotten a break here or there but in my mind definitely we can learn from the top armies such as uncomped eldar. I do think the meta is catching up and is getting better at countering flying circus style armies - for instance the top daemon armies tend to have a strong contingent of ground forces with less dependence on their FMCs.
I have been playing in the ITC tournaments lately and was wondering something.
Would ammo dumps be worth it with a Barbed and some hive guard? Getting re-rolls of 1's seams really good. With a ADL you get a easy 2+ cover and re-rolls. Seams good to me. With a large unit of gaunts with some devourers mixed seam like a good option as well.
To get rerolls you had to take the swarmlord before and he gave it to only one unit. this seams to open up some points and allows for some solid back filed shooting
Any thoughts on this?
2015/07/28 14:37:59
Subject: Re:The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)
shadowfinder wrote: I have been playing in the ITC tournaments lately and was wondering something.
Would ammo dumps be worth it with a Barbed and some hive guard? Getting re-rolls of 1's seams really good. With a ADL you get a easy 2+ cover and re-rolls. Seams good to me. With a large unit of gaunts with some devourers mixed seam like a good option as well.
To get rerolls you had to take the swarmlord before and he gave it to only one unit. this seams to open up some points and allows for some solid back filed shooting
Any thoughts on this?
I ran one with a Barbie and Exocrine in a few ITC RTTs. It was good, however, I found that most of the time I wanted to advance with the Heirodule, and that made it not as great. Also, ever since I got My Barbie 1st blooded via D-Slap twice at LVO, I've been only running him with a VSG.
2015/07/28 21:06:12
Subject: The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)
Eldercaveman wrote: Going to a 1500 point tournament in a couple of weeks time, Eternal War missions, as many detachments as you like, no comp, it's all a bit insane, I'm taking this.
I am attending the Brighton one, the list I am practicing with is;
Leviathan Detachment
Flyrant, egrubs x 3
Mucolid spore x 3
Venomthrope
Hive Crone
Scythed hierodule
I am also considering the 5 flyrant list (drop the hierodule for a CAD with 2 spores, 2 flyrants) but think I prefer using the hierodule!
It's for a GT warm up event. Honestly I was considering some of our super heavies, but since you can take 3 Wraithknights, there is very little point.
To be honest the main GT circuits this year is a bit of a joke with the new committee so I'm boycotting it anyway.
I'm thinking of going to the GT here this year, but it's actually proving really hard to write a list... With 2 KP missions and one Maelstrom, it's really tricky to find a balance between firepower and actually being able to take objectives... Which is where I think the Flyrant-heavy lists fall down, unfortunately...
Am waiting on hearing if they allow Void Shields to confer to a unit before I decide whether a ground force is viable or not - otherwise I might end up going for a null deployment type list.
2015/07/29 02:30:57
Subject: The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)
Frozocrone wrote: Just had a flick through the top five Nid player's lists at ATC.
24 Flyrants between them lol. That's almost 5 per person (and exactly how it was run too, lol).
Interesting to see Corpsethief Claw mixed with 3 Flyrants from the 6th placed nid player tbh.
Mine was the one with "only" 4 Flyrants. There admittedly was a lot of repetition in the lists there, while what filled out the rest of the points did change a lot admittedly. For those interested, the top list was:
5 Flyrants
2 Crones with stinger salvo
Harpy with VC 2 Rippers
3 Mucolids
Venomthrope
2015/07/29 12:11:37
Subject: The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)