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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

They’d have to, as it was his experiences there that lead to the Colleges of Magic, that mankind might better harness the Winds of Magic to protect itself.

**Daba**

Sisters and PG in the next wave then?

**nathan2004**

Yep just take what they previewed at LVO and subtract what’s going up on preorder on Saturday. I think they might do a MTO wave too (3rd wave) but that might be a little down the line.

**SgtEeveell**

Did we get the prices yet?

**Mr Morden**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They’d have to, as it was his experiences there that lead to the Colleges of Magic, that mankind might better harness the Winds of Magic to protect itself.

Or restrict them - which remains the view of some in the Colleges and beyond.

Isn't Alarielle's mother still Everqueen at the moment?

**Londinium**

nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/u9lmibri/old-world-almanack-the-high-elves-of-elthin-arvan/

Interesting seeing a different version of High Elves we saw in 8th versus now.

Don't know if I like them retconning the High Elf presence in the Old World from 'leave en masse after the War of the Beard' to still holding a number of strategic islands off Bretonnia and even a castle on the Bretonnian mainland until the Great War against Chaos. Kinda undermines the tragedy of the war of the beard from an Elven perspective and also the theme of passing on those lands to the humans as the ancient races fade in power. Elves are less mysterious outsiders of the humans if they're literally living just off the coast and controlling the trade routes, as opposed to WHFB when there might be a few hundred across all the Empire in trading enclaves.

Also funny to see them do the whole pre-amble about only focusing on the Old World when we're getting Cathay. Either it's going to be a very similar idea to these Elven Sea Guard or they're going to have to break away from the sole Old World focus.

**nels1031**

Londinium wrote:
Also funny to see them do the whole pre-amble about only focusing on the Old World when we're getting Cathay. Either it's going to be a very similar idea to these Elven Sea Guard or they're going to have to break away from the sole Old World focus.

Not that it means anything in terms of how it will translate into Old World lore, but in TW3, armed trade caravans are a key feature in Cathay campaign mechanics. Chaos Dwarves have the same feature as well, but they obviously go to less savory places.

That's GW's macguffin for introducing both factions, when/if they do introduce them.

**SgtEeveell**

Londinium wrote:
nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/u9lmibri/old-world-almanack-the-high-elves-of-elthin-arvan/

Interesting seeing a different version of High Elves we saw in 8th versus now.

Don't know if I like them retconning the High Elf presence in the Old World from 'leave en masse after the War of the Beard' to still holding a number of strategic islands off Bretonnia and even a castle on the Bretonnian mainland until the Great War against Chaos. Kinda undermines the tragedy of the war of the beard from an Elven perspective and also the theme of passing on those lands to the humans as the ancient races fade in power. Elves are less mysterious outsiders of the humans if they're literally living just off the coast and controlling the trade routes, as opposed to WHFB when there might be a few hundred across all the Empire in trading enclaves.

Also funny to see them do the whole pre-amble about only focusing on the Old World when we're getting Cathay. Either it's going to be a very similar idea to these Elven Sea Guard or they're going to have to break away from the sole Old World focus.

I'm pretty sure the Bretonnian enclaves have been mentioned in previous High Elf Army books. If I can find mine, I'll check again.

**NH Gunsmith**

In the old Gilead's Blood books they talk about High Elves having small manors and towers in the Old World still, so it isn't a massive retcon really.

**Hulksmash**

I mean, I never got the impression they pulled all the way out of the old world after the war of the beard. Otherwise why would they accept HE help during the war of chaos when likely the only Elves they knew were murdering slavers historically? I always assumed they kept SOME presence.

**SgtEeveell**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fkxyhmsz/old-world-almanack-whats-in-arcane-journal-high-elf-realms/

Old World Almanack about the Arcane Journal. The new AoI are Lothern Sea Guards and Chracian War Host. The Sea Guard looks interesting, but I've never found the White Lions that appealing. I was hoping for a Dragon Princes of Caledor force.

**Olthannon**

Can we try not whinging about a retcon that hasn't happened? Come on.

**GaroRobe**

SgtEeveell wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fkxyhmsz/old-world-almanack-whats-in-arcane-journal-high-elf-realms/

Old World Almanack about the Arcane Journal. The new AoI are Lothern Sea Guards and Chracian War Host. The Sea Guard looks interesting, but I've never found the White Lions that appealing. I was hoping for a Dragon Princes of Caledor force.

Funny enough, the Sea Guard and Chracians are my favorite parts of the HE. I just dont get why the swordmasters were given a slightly customized secondary option for the command characters, but not the Sea Guard

**Rosebuddy**

Probably someone or several in the studio liked swordmasters more than sea guard.

**The Black Adder**

High Elves Arcane Journal first look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGLVjaB5K20

EDIT: So, the Chracian army seems decent. It's got an interesting extra core choice (Great weapon and bow armed woodsmen) and access to the usual units that make a good high elf army. There might also be some interesting ambush play with the possible modifiers to the roll.

I'm not sure about the sea guard list. Bulk strength 3 attacks and an emphasis on a weaker set of ambush mechanics combined with poorer dragon access and no access to a level 4 wizard or sisters means this looks like the weaker of the two variants at an initial glance. I'm also not a fan of the sky cutter model, even after more than a decade, it still doesn't look right to me. With the limited roster, they're a big part of the special choice section, so I'm not sure if they can be avoided. I'm tempted to try it anyway as I love the sea guard themselves and the overarching theme.

**nathan2004**

I like the magic items for the new book and love the new wizard. And agreed, Lions are the more competitive choice.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/u9h0019a/old-world-almanack-high-elf-realms-miniatures/

**SgtEeveell**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9ghpgled/saturday-pre-orders-the-high-elf-realms-show-the-rest-of-the-old-world-whos-best/

Pre-orders for Nasty Cruel Elfses.

I guess by GW standards US$180 is a good price for the battalion. I like the chariots, but 32 Archers & 32 Spearmen still seems a bit excessive. And no Character. Good thing I've still got my Island of Blood set around.

I like the Reavers, but if I buy 10 new ones, then I'll have 15 total and that's probably too many.

I've also still got the original metal HE battalion from the 90's. I should probably try to sell that now that GW is ramping up the interest in them again.

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They've got the Handmaiden hero, I wonder if they are going to release a unit of Sisters of Avelorn for her to join.

**Dysartes**

The LVO Preview indicated that the Sisters of Avelorn/Shadow Warriors kit would be returning, presumably in Wave 2.

**Mr_Rose**

Along with the phoenixes, skycutter, dragon princes… they’re basically going to do a full re-release of 8th edition HElves.

**Dysartes**

It is a shame that the Skycutter is coming back - even for Elves, that's a stupid design.

**Just Tony**

I wish they would have done the old pewter Handmaidens unit with Allarielle.

**NH Gunsmith**

Man, that Battalion box is... not great if you plan to play Grand Army.

High Elf Realms [818 pts]

++ Core Units [668 pts] ++

16 Elven Spearmen [159 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting spears
- Light armour
- Shields
- Sentinel (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Musician

16 Elven Spearmen [159 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting spears
- Light armour
- Shields
- Sentinel (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Musician

16 Elven Archers [175 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Longbows
- Sentinel (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Musician

16 Elven Archers [175 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Longbows
- Sentinel (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Musician

++ Special Units [150 pts] ++

2 Tiranoc Chariots [150 pts]
- Cavalry spears
- Longbows

Doesn't even break 1,000 points for what you get. Could pump up the points a bit by turning both chariot kits into characters on chariots by using spare Champion swords from the Archers.

Grand Army list with characters on chariots.

Spoiler:

But I am thinking that the Battalion box is honestly a better entry point into the new Chrace army.

Chrace Army of Infamy lists with characters on chariots.

Spoiler:

It honestly seems like maybe the best value out of that Battalion box is in the Chrace army. Add one box of White Lions and Korhil and use some of the spare bits to jazz up the Archers to look a bit more like Woodsmen and it should be good enough to get playing at 2,000 points.

Chrace list with Korhil and Lion Guard

Spoiler:

**Cyel**

This unfortunately looks like a rather pointless army, infantry slowly wandering around, never getting anywhere and getting killed by practically anything else :(

**kodos**

so perfect for a casual game were nobody wants to win anyway but just move models around and roll some dice /s

by now, none of the battalion boxes was really useful to build an army around it and more about a noob trap to get people to buy and paint models they would never use otherwise

**NH Gunsmith**

kodos wrote:
so perfect for a casual game were nobody wants to win anyway but just move models around and roll some dice /s

by now, none of the battalion boxes was really useful to build an army around it and more about a noob trap to get people to buy and paint models they would never use otherwise

Yeah, almost all of the Battalion boxes besides the Chaos end up being pretty useless.

The Knights in the Chaos one can be used as Chosen, the Warriors can be used as "Forsaken" or as a bunker for a Sorcerer if you take the Mark of Tzeentch, and it is easy enough to use the chariots as characters like a Lord or Sorcerer on chariot... which are actually quite good. There generally ends up being enough bits from the Warriors to kit bash a Sorcerer on foot since they are armored anyways.

**nathan2004**

All armies need core - it’s a cost effective way to get it in one bundle. And you build from there. I don’t think battalions were ever intended to be an army in a box.

**Overread**

Yeah in general GW rarely builds boxed sets to be balanced proper armies. They want you to use them as a core that you expand from.

Spearhead is a bit different since GW are trying to bundle that into a sub-game a bit like a larger scale combat patrol.

Old World side they know that you're going to need more than what a boxed set offers. Heck back in the "before end times" era the boxed set was basically that. Core troops that you'd buy a few of to bulk out your collection. They didn't have leader models in them that I recall (though a few could build them from options on multipart kits )

**kodos**

nathan2004 wrote:
All armies need core

agree, hence why it would be nice to put said core in a box and sell it on a discount (Chaos box is the big exception because you can easily use the models in the box for something else)

**Fayric**

Dysartes wrote:
It is a shame that the Skycutter is coming back - even for Elves, that's a stupid design.

While I agree the concept is crazy, the sculpt is incredible. The bird and the sky boat is beautiful and the Lothern Sea Helm character is probably the most impressive plastic hero you can get for the Elves.

**GaroRobe**

Dysartes wrote:
It is a shame that the Skycutter is coming back - even for Elves, that's a stupid design.

Hey, I'll have you know that the wood from these boats is found on the top of Ulthuan's mountains and because of that, it naturally wants to float back up there.

That's the lore. And I still remember it more than a decade later, despite being a dwarf player