Rumors for Chaos Space Marines - Upd 8/12/2012 in OP

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**Neronoxx**

Just wanted to make a quick note. My local shop can not order the Chaos Space Marine Codex. Sorry if it's been mentioned already, just popping in.

**aka_mythos**

It was mentioned a couple pages back by a FLGS owner

**sennacherib**

The lack of a CSM codex being sold implies a release date earlier than Oct in my eyes. Looks like Sept will be the new age of chaos. I will be greatfull for any improvements that they make.

Most looking forward too...
Cultists. Cheap troops that will help my nurgle face down the teaming minions of those pesky horde armies.
Marks getting a rework so nurgle wont have to pay a base rate of 4o pts to mark some terminators.
Land raider with a carrying capacity the same as the loyalists would be nice.
Hoping for a balanced new codex with lots of builds instead of plague marines in rhinos, oblits and lash princes.
Fast attack choices that are reasonable.
New units especially the demon engines. here is to hoping that the dragon flyer does not look weak.
I also hope that they dont nerf nurgle too much.

Overall i am still excited. The hell brute and the new cultist models sound exciting. what do you think. 4pt cultists. That would be awesome. Slightly better than grots.

**aka_mythos**

Cultist are rumored that they can be in units up 50 models... And typhus make them plague zombies... How long before we see 300 plague zombies slowing down games?

**-Loki-**

sennacherib wrote:Land raider with a carrying capacity the same as the loyalists would be nice.

Since rumour says Ward got a slap on the wrist over that change, and subsequent books lacked it, I wouldn't count on that happening.

**Tyrs13**

Plz let the 20pt Ksons be true ... i dont care if they are lvl 1 psykers. Frees up so many points ... i would beable to finally field my units of 9 ksons and still upgrade stuff to being useful.

+1 for deamonic things finally getting benfits for being deamonic, instead of just being beat down by GKs.

+1 for marks affecting our transports ... wonder what Tzeench does

+1 for dreadnaughts getting mark love and not being useless ... i mean temperamental

I wonder if i can build a worth while DP for 170 ...

**happygolucky**

All I really want to know is will chaos be getting any types of drop pod?

I want a pod army for my chaos marines...

Just read the beasts of war Rumours...

So we are getting a type of dreadknight eh?

so were getting:

-Dreadknight's
-Dragons
-(and hopefully pods)
-with a bunch of new sculpts...

Any other chaos players HYPED?

**Sephyr**

happygolucky wrote:All I really want to know is will chaos be getting any types of drop pod?

I want a pod army for my chaos marines...

I really doubt it. GW usually avoids making CSM and regular SM too similar, hence why no stormbolders, assault cannons, thunder hammers, storm shields, PoTMS and so on.

Besides, always-accurate deep-strike on turn 1? That totally denies enemy reaction, just like assaulting after outflanking! Meaning only marines get it.

**Kroothawk**

CSM second wave releases from the leaked list:

- Chaos Dark Chapel Upgrade Pack (Terrain, upgrade pack)
- Chaos Bike Squadron (Chaos Bike Squadron)
- Chaos Noise Marines (Plastic Box)
- Chaos Thousand Sons (Plastic Box)

Released with the Allies Supplement:
- Cypher (Resin)

Chaos Daemon Releases:
- Bloodthirster (Rhino sized Box) Greater Daemon
- Lord of Change (Rhino sized Box) Greater Daemon
- Chaos Daemons Warp Stalkers / Chaos Furies (Plastic Box)

Edit:
- Great Unclean One (Rhino sized Box) Greater Daemon
- Keeper of Secrets (Rhino sized Box) Greater Daemon

**Temujin**

You forgot the Keeper of Secrets and Great Unclean One, which are both listed as plastic kits.

**Althornin**

Temujin wrote:You forgot the Keeper of Secrets and Great Unclean One, which are both listed as plastic kits.

They just released a finecast GUO, you really expect a new plastic one?

**H.B.M.C.**

Althornin wrote:They just released a finecast GUO, you really expect a new plastic one?

Anywhere up to a year and a half from now? Yes.

The Hive Tyrant wasn't all that old when the plastic one came out and replaced it.

**Matt.Kingsley**

They actually released a FC version of each GD... But I'd say GW would, especially seeming second waves appear from 1/2 a year (and GD won't even tecnically BE part of it) to how ever long
1 - 1 1/2 seems right

**H.B.M.C.**

Plus they might include the parts to make Fateweaver/Kurgath/Skarbrand inside the plastic kits (like the Swarmlord), killing two birds with one stone and removing 5 Finecast kits form the range in one fell swoop. And if they were really bloody clever (which means this'll never happen) each GD box will include a foot-mounted plastic Herald as well (like how the FW DP's come with Heralds). Then we'd actually have non-special character models to use as Heralds in easy-to-convert plastic.

**Matt.Kingsley**

I doubt they'd do Fateweaver if they did that
and that would be great, but it would give GW less moneyz, and we all know that in this day and age that's all GW does it for

**Althornin**

I really prefer finecast/resin over plastic. Seems most don't though. I just find it vastly easier to clean up and work with. The plastic bits take 4 times as long to get rid of all the mold lines and sprue cut points.

**H.B.M.C.**

Althornin wrote:The plastic bits take 4 times as long to get rid of all the mold lines and sprue cut points.

Both of which have become less and less of an issue as GW's plastic technology has improved.

**happygolucky**

Sephyr wrote:
happygolucky wrote:All I really want to know is will chaos be getting any types of drop pod?

I want a pod army for my chaos marines...

I really doubt it. GW usually avoids making CSM and regular SM too similar, hence why no stormbolders, assault cannons, thunder hammers, storm shields, PoTMS and so on.

Besides, always-accurate deep-strike on turn 1? That totally denies enemy reaction, just like assaulting after outflanking! Meaning only marines get it.

Damn it... I want deathclaw drop pods... screw the new shiny stiff, if they Dont have pods, im not going to be satisfied with the codex...

**geordie09**

I just want Kharn to be awesome again...

**happygolucky**

I want more cool stuff to lords Ive always liked the model...

**UltraPrime**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:I doubt they'd do Fateweaver if they did that
and that would be great, but it would give GW less moneyz, and we all know that in this day and age that's all GW does it for

How so? If you want both now, you buy two different kits. If you want both in future, you buy two of the same kit. No real difference.

**Noisy_Marine**

UltraPrime wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:I doubt they'd do Fateweaver if they did that
and that would be great, but it would give GW less moneyz, and we all know that in this day and age that's all GW does it for

How so? If you want both now, you buy two different kits. If you want both in future, you buy two of the same kit. No real difference.

And you could magnetize the kit and have one LoC/Fateweaver out of one box. And that, my friend, is bad!

**unmercifulconker**

New blog on natfka, 2 people are saying csm is in september, thought it was worth mentioning.

**BDJV**

Tasty Taste has posted more on BoK.

First off, I want to say that it just doesn’t make any sense for GW to release the new Starter Set with models that doesn’t have a codex, so we have to assume that CSM codex will be out before the starter set. The only way they don’t (would be a big slap in the face) would be they add a mini update like Daemons and still put off the CSM codex release.

Anyway on to more rumors/leaks.

Remember I might just repeat other rumors floating around and debunk others.

–Special Characters–

Ahriman: Mastery Level 4, Same Stats as before, Access to Biomancy, Pryomancy, Telepathy, and Tzeentch. He is the master of witch ire spells, he can cast three spells that are witchfire in the same phase. He can also give up to three units infiltrate ability.

Huron: Same Stats as before, Mastery Level 1, Spells are randomly determined at the start of each turn.

Typhus: Same Stats as before, Mastery Level 2 can only take Nurgle powers, Destroyer Hive has been changed to be a Nurgle Holocaust Str4 AP2 ignores cover. Has Fear

Kharn: Same Stats as before, Him and his Unit get 2+ to deny witch and is completely immune to force weapons. Still attacks random people, but now a sneaky way around it. Always hits on 2+ in Assualt. Best part is he has Hatred that he can give to the rest of his unit.

Fabius Bile: Same Stats as before. Enhanced Warriors can only ever kill one model gives them Str and Fearless.

Lucius: Same Stats as before. His attacks are the same number as your opponent WS (Avatar vs Lucius fun times). Re-rolls all Wounds, Armor saves made by Lucius inflict str 4 ap2 hits back.

–Vehicles–

Dragon: 170pts AV 12/12/10 Can Vector Strike as a MC, Has Str 8 Heavy 4 guns

Shooty Demon Engine: 120pts AV 12/12/10 Two Str 8 Heavy 4 guns

Assault Demon Engine: 135pts AV 12/12/10, Immune to Cover, 12″ Move, Two Str 8 AP1 Melta Weapons, plus PowerFists

Hellbrute New CSM Dreadnaught: 105pts Crazed, BIG CHANGE no more DCW now just power fist will strike at I1

Chaos Land Raider: 220pts Only Godhammer variant, only holds 10 guys, still can get dozerblades

Upgrades: Mini Deff Roller Str 5 Ap – hits and double for failed death and glory, Chaos Lash whips but reduce attacks to 1

–Unique Items–

Demon Weapons: All Demon Weapons on a roll of 1 will attack user, but no longer will you lose the rest of your attacks.

Unique Chaos Power Axe: +2 str Ap2, Blinds Opponents, Gives Rage, Demon Weapon.

Unique Chaos Power Maul: AP4, Fleshbane, Demon Weapon, Any unsaved wounds causes instant death after toughness test is failed, in addition at the end of the assault phase any model with in 3″ must make another toughness test or take an AP1 wound.

Unique Chaos Power Sword: Ap3 Marked for Death, select any character get str x2 AP1 instant death when engaged with that character

Unique Chaos Flamer: Str 5 Ap3 Torrent, Soulblaze

Unique Icon: Once you kill a model the Icon unlocks and any model enemy model within 12″ must take Difficult and Dangerous Terrain tests and all friendly deep strikers don’t scatter.

Unique Spell Book: Gain Random powers every turn can possible hurt you as well

–Wargear–

Attack Familiar: Two additional familiar attacks

Magic Familiar: Grants Random Spells

Chaos Iron Halo: 4+ invul can stack with MoT so that means 3+ invul

Flails: AP 2 Str 8 reduce WS of targets

–Units–

Chosen: 19pts each, Infiltrate gone

Terminators: 31pts each, Upgrades got very cheap FULLY kitted 10 man unit is about 400 pts with more versatility than another other Terminator unit in the game. Still has Combi-Spam.

Zerkers: 19pts each, Chainaxe Str 4 Ap 4

1k Sons: 23pts each, Champion Mastery Level 1

Plague Marines: 24pts each, Same as before now have Poison Assault Weapon

Noise Marines: 16pts each, Must still buy Sonic Weapons. Sonic Blaster 24″ inch Str 4 Ap5 Salvo, Ignores Cover, Blastmaster 25 pts assault 2 or heavy 1 blast same as before now with ignores cover, Doom Siren Same as before.

Assault Oblits: Elite Slot Weapons act like Ymgarl Genestealers powers

Possessed: Random Chart is now D3 acts like Ymgarl Genestealers powers, but determine at the beginning of the turn.

Havocs: 13pts each, 5-15pt drop for all special weapons from past edition, can buy Flak missiles

–Psychic Powers–

Tzeentch: 4 powers only. Prime Power Random Str blast that keeps on exploding random hits for every dead model, 1-2 Roll on Big Chart re-roll spawn result, 3-4 Bolt of Tzeentch but how is a Beam, 5-6 Breath of Chaos

Ok that is all I got guys every last drop of rumor juice is gone! Enjoy, oh wait what is this at the bottom of my cup…
Prepare to be Despoiled
Abaddon is still one bad ass. His stats and cost remain the same. He will always be your Warlord. Drach’nyen: Demon Weapon, Specialist Weapon, +1 str ap2. Talon of Horus: x2 str, re-roll wounds, BA get hatred to Abaddon, Any friendly unit within 12″ of Abaddon gets Preferred Enemy. The biggest thing about Abaddon though is he makes CHOSEN TROOPS!

**H.B.M.C.**

"Spells are randomly determined at the start of each turn."

It's cinematic-tastic!!!

**Brometheus**

No complaints.

It appears as though fresh life is about to be injected into our book.

I hope it is released soon, as I have a lot of projects "on hold".

My goal is to build a fluffy and themed Thousand Sons list with the new rules, with 2 HQ sorcerers, 4 squads of Tsons, and some cool units such as psychic chosen? Who knows if they're in the book....

I wonder if Ahriman has a 3+*.... Oh, and.... What if the Aspiring Sorcerers in TSons can select special wargear like the random psychic power books?

FLUFFGASM.

**1hadhq**

BDJV wrote:Tasty Taste has posted more on BoK.

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–Vehicles–

Dragon: 170pts AV 12/12/10 Can Vector Strike as a MC, Has Str 8 Heavy 4 guns

Shooty Demon Engine: 120pts AV 12/12/10 Two Str 8 Heavy 4 guns

Assault Demon Engine: 135pts AV 12/12/10, Immune to Cover, 12″ Move, Two Str 8 AP1 Melta Weapons, plus PowerFists

Hellbrute New CSM Dreadnaught: 105pts Crazed, BIG CHANGE no more DCW now just power fist will strike at I1

Chaos Land Raider: 220pts Only Godhammer variant, only holds 10 guys, still can get dozerblades

Upgrades: Mini Deff Roller Str 5 Ap – hits and double for failed death and glory, Chaos Lash whips but reduce attacks to 1

–Unique Items–

Unique Chaos Power Axe:
Unique Chaos Power Maul:
Unique Chaos Power Sword:
Unique Chaos Flamer:
Unique Icon:
Unique Spell Book:

–Units–

Terminators: 31pts each, Upgrades got very cheap FULLY kitted 10 man unit is about 400 pts with more versatility than another other Terminator unit in the game. Still has Combi-Spam.

Havocs: 13pts each, 5-15pt drop for all special weapons from past edition, can buy Flak missiles

- Dread replaced by new "dread" and demon engines?
- a discount for termies and havocs. Cheap LR......So they really want to sell termies and havocs...
- unique weapons are 1 per army,right? like unique characters?

**Kroothawk**

TastyTaste wrote:First off, I want to say that it just doesn’t make any sense for GW to release the new Starter Set with models that doesn’t have a codex, so we have to assume that CSM codex will be out before the starter set. The only way they don’t (would be a big slap in the face) would be they add a mini update like Daemons and still put off the CSM codex release.

... or they include the rules with the starter box, like they always do.

**Matt.Kingsley**

UltraPrime wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:I doubt they'd do Fateweaver if they did that
and that would be great, but it would give GW less moneyz, and we all know that in this day and age that's all GW does it for

How so? If you want both now, you buy two different kits. If you want both in future, you buy two of the same kit. No real difference.

I was mainly talking about the heralds with that one.

**English Assassin**

I'll be most disappointed - to the point of having second thoughts over whether to continue building-up my traitor marines - if the codex actually includes no dreadnoughts, just this dreadknight-esque thing.