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 Palindrome wrote:
So far I am interested in precisely none of the new IG stuff.

The new Ogryns and the truckthing are just awful.

I do have a pile of the 2nd ed Ogryns so they will happily see the table if (IF!) the new Ogryn rules are any good.

I agree.

I do, however, like the Stormtroopers so far (even more so if we get other head options than those daft berets), but the bus and Ogryns are not very appealing. Maybe my opinion will change when I see the actual kits? Possibly. I am still not impressed with them.

Gw is REALLY trying to sway people to buy FW products over their

Oh thank god, the Hydra proves that GW hasn't forgotten how to make IG tanks. TBH I like the current version with the enclosed turret better, but the new one is still a good model that fits very nicely with the existing IG design concepts. Maybe that awful transport will be a single exception that we can all just ignore.

 Happygrunt wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
I love the hydra. The open turret will be a pain to paint but I am looking forward to the affordable Hydra kit. (Not FW)

I am really excited for this release. I really hope there is more to come. And has anyone IDed the barrel of the tank that is behind the hydra?

It's a battery of Basilisks.

Okay, thanks. Makes sense, but I wasn't sure if I had missed something.

It's worth noting that the Hydra does appear to be built using parts from the Basilisk.

It has the kind of "open air sun deck" back with railings that the Basilisk has and it looks to actually have two new crew figures.
One is crouched down using a set of unarmored legs, so it's not just the heavy weapons team legs thrown in, and reading a map with a kind of 'tanker helmet' on and one hand to his ear while the other crew figure is braced against the firing mechanism for the Hydra's autocannons.
Hopefully this means the Basilisk gets some crew figure options in the box as well.


Originally I was a bit put off by the Hydra, but the more I see it the more I like it. It's not like the Manticore redesign(which I felt was unnecessary), where they just said "put four rockets on it and call it a day" because it genuinely feels like this could be just a different pattern of Hydra than the Forge World model.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Gw is REALLY trying to sway people to buy FW products over their

I'd just like to know how the decision making goes in the company. They're trying to make money aren't they? So yeah, we have the IG relaunch coming up. Which kits should we add or revamp? Yeah how about the Ogryns that absolutely noone wants or needs? Yeah an idiotic concept that doesn't fit into the theme of 90% of IG armies sounds like a brilliant one to make money with. We'll do that! Hmm yeah so I guess the market is waiting for an exciting new vehicle kit too. How about a TOY BUS for the giant mutated babyheads? Yeah! That's awesome! It'd be so cool like when there's Ogryns coming out of that bus into the middle of combat! So I think that pretty much sums it up! When we add these models the IG will sell like crazy! Let's do it!

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Just for a comparison:

Before

Spoiler:

After

Spoiler:

I really like the red on the guns. Reminds me of pictures I see in old white dwarfs before my time. When space marine weapons where bright.

I love it!

Personal preference I know but If I ever did space marines that werent Scibor id do their guns bright like they used to be. But this is coming from the guy whos guard wear kilts and bright red uniform in the desert...

I'm not a fan of the plastic ogryn but I'm also not a detractor either like with the ridiculous and ugly ogryn mystery machine tank. They're simply ok... nothing more IMO. The current metal ogryn though I thought (except for the bonehead) captured the look much better. I do hope that with improved rules and cheaper $$ cost that I'll see more on the table. I picked up 10 ogryn cheap during the old apocalypse release back in late 4th and ended up selling them all as I never fielded them.

 Peregrine wrote:
Oh thank god, the Hydra proves that GW hasn't forgotten how to make IG tanks. TBH I like the current version with the enclosed turret better, but the new one is still a good model that fits very nicely with the existing IG design concepts. Maybe that awful transport will be a single exception that we can all just ignore.

Yeah, of the things we've seen, the Hydra is the standout star. Looks really good.

Hmmm well I like the Stormtroopers (refuse to use the new trademarked names here), but I am hoping that you are going to be able to switch out the hellguns for lasguns without much problem if you want to make Grenadiers (assuming they are still around). Sometimes, I am not sure with GW's design philosophy if we are going to have arms or some horrible push-in gun with an arm.

It's sad that GW wasted an opportunity to make a salamander model (that could have dual-kit worked as an Ogryn transport) to instead design that atrocity. That model just stands out too much with the rest of the IG line if you plopped down next to a line of armor. And to top it off, just looks like something that belongs with a squad of knock-off GI Joes like Action Squad you find at the Dollar store. Nothing but shame there. The only good thing about this is the new stat line hopefully that will open up some potential for using different vehicles in the game.

Hydra? Nice. I just hope its a dual kit with something else or a separate Hydra system (maybe a ground-to-ground version?).

As for the Ogryns... on the fence. Maybe it's just the paint job, but a number of them just do not look like they belong. Everything looks too clean, not fitting well with the rest of the grunts and the tank treads just scream 'special education' to me. I really think GW wasted some opportunities to get some new Guard lines out like Steel Legion or at least an updated Catachan grunts box just to make things that we may not need. The only good thing about the Bullgryns is that we can at least have something to put in Ogryns with close combat weapons now I guess with the Renegade models. Hopefully, they will have some options for different CCWs and not just a shield.

Oh well, Werewoolf minis may be getting my money if they make some more variations of their Spetsnaz Ogryns.

Definition of scion (n)
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1.younger member of family: a child or descendant of a family, especially a rich, famous, or important family
2.part of plant for grafting: a living shoot or twig of a plant used for grafting to a stock

Or a name of a car.....

WTF GW?

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Definition of scion (n)
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sci·on
[ sī́ ən ]

1.younger member of family: a child or descendant of a family, especially a rich, famous, or important family
2.part of plant for grafting: a living shoot or twig of a plant used for grafting to a stock

Or a name of a car.....

WTF GW?

What are you talking about? The tank is called a taurox. The scions are the stormtroopers.

Looking forward to the hydra, but good luck getting me to rename my army. That name is awful, a real mouthful, and it just plain sucks. Its like finding out your favorite band changed their name to something in Yiddish. I can't get behind that.

I like all the new models so far, the "he-man" esque tank... im on the fence over,

but the pics of the new guard models are awesome... I cant wait to kit bash this stuff.

The 'improved colour scheme' is much better IMO. GW never seems to do it's miniatures justice with their paint schemes and pictures. Take the centurions; not the greatest models ever released, but the hate died down pretty quickly when people actually saw the models and what decent painters could do with them. I 100% expect the battle bus to look much better in person, with a decent paint scheme, and the new oqryns are looking fine to me, no big improvement over the last rendition, but still fine. Just need someone to paint them nicely....

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Definition of scion (n)
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sci·on
[ sī́ ən ]

1.younger member of family: a child or descendant of a family, especially a rich, famous, or important family
2.part of plant for grafting: a living shoot or twig of a plant used for grafting to a stock

Or a name of a car.....

WTF GW?

What are you talking about? The tank is called a taurox. The scions are the stormtroopers.

I believe he is referring to this:

Scion is a brand of vehicles produced by Toyota Motor Corporation for the North American market.

 Ahtman wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Definition of scion (n)
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sci·on
[ sī́ ən ]

1.younger member of family: a child or descendant of a family, especially a rich, famous, or important family
2.part of plant for grafting: a living shoot or twig of a plant used for grafting to a stock

Or a name of a car.....

WTF GW?

What are you talking about? The tank is called a taurox. The scions are the stormtroopers.

I believe he is referring to this:

Scion is a brand of vehicles produced by Toyota Motor Corporation for the North American market.

But that's not GW. He said WTF GW.

If he had said WTF Toyota, then that would have made sense.

He only accepts esoteric use of words from car companies.

He also doesn't know anything about the storm troopers' background.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


But that's not GW. He said WTF GW.

If he had said WTF Toyota, then that would have made sense.

I don't think the whole statement made a lot of sense, but I thought he was generally perplexed by the use of the word scion in general and not thinking the new tank was called a scion.

I don't like the new name of the IG Codex. Since I am posting here anyway I might as well say it.

I kinda like the idea if it's the "technical name" for the Storm Trooper regiment, as opposed to what everyone calls them. Y'know, like the big formal thing that goes at the top of Munitorum request forms and fancy dinner invites, but the Colonel still informs you that you'll have a squad of storm troopers dropping right behind that ridge to blast the hell out of the rebel Basilisks.

 Spinner wrote:
I kinda like the idea if it's the "technical name" for the Storm Trooper regiment, as opposed to what everyone calls them. Y'know, like the big formal thing that goes at the top of Munitorum request forms and fancy dinner invites, but the Colonel still informs you that you'll have a squad of storm troopers dropping right behind that ridge to blast the hell out of the rebel Basilisks.

Well, it is the High Gothic name.

Officially on the paper work they would be called that, but all the lowly peasants...I mean guardsmen, would call them stormtroopers all the same.

Wow all but the Storm Troopers are absolute Gak, I put them in Mantics M@A category!

Yeah, and that's fine by me, as is the use of the term "Astra Militarium". I'll be more than a little peeved if that phases out Imperial Guard altogether, but somehow I don't think that's likely...

Actually, that raises a question. Of the people who really dislike the fancy new High Gothic name, how many would be more favorably disposed if they still called the book "Imperial Guard" and just used Astra Militarium a few times inside? Just for the sake of my curiosity.

I am totally digging the Shield Ogryn's beard. It looks like the sort of impeccable facial hair that inspires men to wade through fields of fire- after all, if an Ogryn can look this good doing it, how hard can it be?

Boooo - I was really hoping for heavily armoured ogres during the last Ogre Kingdoms update, and they give them to IG instead. (Though they don't look very good imo compared to the normal ogryn).

All I'm saying is "Scion" doesn't sound like a very threatening or scary name. I think of cylon, scones, scion the car, sigh on, syphilis, etc...

You hear Spetsnaz, Rangers, Delta Squad, SEALS, Marine Recon, Kommando, SpecOps, etc....It brings images of very highly trained warriors....

I mean, they could be called Spartans, or Imperial Legionnaires, or Keshiks, or Green Berets, or Rapid Assault Force, or just something that paints a vivid picture of an elite fighting force....

I am not a fan of Imperial aesthetics at all, but the Ogryns look okay, not much better or worse than older versions.


Seems to be 3 in a box, either build as Ogryns or armoured Bullgryns. Bane pic confirms the new name.

Edit: Seals? Yeah, scary

 krazynadechukr wrote:
All I'm saying is "Scion" doesn't sound like a very threatening or scary name. I think of cylon, scones, scion the car, sigh on, syphilis, etc...

You hear Spetsnaz, Rangers, Delta Squad, SEALS, Marine Recon, Kommando, SpeOps, etc....It brings images of very highly trained warriors....

I mean, they could be called Spartans, or Imperial Legionnaires, or Keshiks, or Green Berets, or Rapid Assault Force, or just something that paints a vivid picture of an elite fighting force....

Cylon? Not scary?

Those things wiped out the human race. Don't diss the Cylons

 Spinner wrote:
if they still called the book "Imperial Guard" and just used Astra Militarium a few times inside? Just for the sake of my curiosity.

That is my issue, essentially. With the Adeptus Astartes it is still Codex Space Marines; most of the Imperial stuff has different technical designations, but changing the overarching designation to players seems somewhat jarring. They can call it what they want but after twenty five years of being Imperial Guard I have to imagine that is still what many will refer to them as.

Have to pick up the storm trooper codex, im rather liking these releases. Havent played this edition of 40k yet and this may get me back into the game. Actually haven't seen any of the hardback codexs, its been a while since I was in a gw store.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
All I'm saying is "Scion" doesn't sound like a very threatening or scary name. I think of cylon, scones, scion the car, sigh on, syphilis, etc...

You hear Spetsnaz, Rangers, Delta Squad, SEALS, Marine Recon, Kommando, SpecOps, etc....It brings images of very highly trained warriors....

Because those are the names of groups of very highly trained warriors.
None of those names would be inherenty menacing taken completely out of context, most would just be nonsensical. Scion actually references their background.
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of silly names going on here, that doesn't strike me as the worst of the bunch by any stretch though.