Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**Kiwidru**

The "Age of Sigmar" thing realllllly doesnt make sense to me.

Isnt the company rebranding storefaces in england to say "warhammer" instead of "games-workshop" so that people would know what they are dealing with? why would you change the name of your product while youre changing the company name to reflect the product?

**agnosto**

ntdars wrote:

I couldn't see GW removing so many awesome plastic kits though, especially ones like Dwarves that are still relatively new

Well, we're talking about a company that made plastic sprues for one event and has not sold them since. Also, the End Times stuff is all really new and is being pulled according to some.

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Kiwidru wrote:
The "Age of Sigmar" thing realllllly doesnt make sense to me.

Isnt the company rebranding storefaces in england to say "warhammer" instead of "games-workshop" so that people would know what they are dealing with? why would you change the name of your product while youre changing the company name to reflect the product?

That and they can't really call themselves "Games" Workshop anymore since they pretty much just support 1 game (40K) and whatever this new fantasy thing is.

**A Town Called Malus**

Coyote81 wrote:

This is the best and most interesting guess I've heard yet. This has a lot of potential, and sounds just like something GW would do. They didn't destroy the world, at least not permanently, they just gave Sigmar a chance to win the fight for the good guys.

The big question, What was the state of each of the races during this time, and how would they fit into this 6 faction idea for the new edition?

Beastmen - They should exist, probably more so in the northern waste then spare all over the old world
Bretonnia - The realms of men haven't really founded this nation yet
Daemons of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Dark Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Dwarfs - They are alive and well in the mountains and befriended Sigmar
High Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Lizardmen - The servants of the Old ones prosper
Ogre Kingdoms - I guess they hadn't changed
Orcs & Goblins - Alive and causing havoc as normal
Skaven - No sign of them yet, but they should exist, but probably warrinjg amongst each other, maybe pre- council of 13
The Empire - Men haven't found this one yet
Tomb Kings - At war with Settra
Vampire Counts - Learning the Dark arts from nagash
Warriors of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Wood Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves

Based on this information, The following Groups exist: Men, Dwarfs, Elves, Lizardmen, Hordes of Chaos, Ogres, O&G, Skaven, Undead

At the time of The Sundering Sigmar hadn't even been born, neither had Nagash, for that matter. If I remember correctly then men hadn't developed anything beyond a tribal culture at the most until quite a while after the sundering had taken place.

So the Tomb Kings wouldn't exist and neither would the Vampire Counts. Nagash learned Dark Magic from a captured Dark Elf Sorceress, so he wouldn't be able to teach anyone, even if he were alive.

**ORicK**

I wonder about that too...

I have about everything i want, but I have made a small list of models i might buy if i read that they will disappear.

But untill i know what will happen to WHFB with at least a little bit of certainty i will not buy anything.
I quit buying WHFB models about a year ago when End Times and the rumours of the new WHFB began.

**Strombones**

ntdars wrote:
What do you guys think will happen to existing WHFB kits? Do you think ones like Lizardmen will be discontinued? I'm trying to stock up on as many as I can for Mordheim kitbashes :/

I couldn't see GW removing so many awesome plastic kits though, especially ones like Dwarves that are still relatively new

I'm certainly curious about this as well. I seriously doubt that many (if any?) are getting dropped, but at this point in the game there just really isn't anything that I would put past GW. I am most curious about how this whole thing will influence second hand sales. Are we going to enter into an OOP price jump, a flood of low prices as people dump what they have, or is it going to mostly stay the same. I would put my money on the latter, but who knows?

Even with the most stretched and contorted mental gymnastics, I cannot wrap my brain around why a company keeps the release of a major part of its product a secret.

**agnosto**

Strombones wrote:
I would put my money on the latter, but who knows?

Even with the most stretched and contorted mental gymnastics, I cannot wrap my brain around why a company keeps the release of a major part of its product a secret.

And that's the real problem here. A reboot is fine, may even be a good thing, but if the only voices out in the wild are negative, you open yourself up to people running away and not coming back. GW fails again and again to even grasp the most rudimentary concepts behind marketing and advertising which is surprising from a company that wants to sale people something.

"Hey everybody, something will come out in July and we're calling it the 'Age of Sigmar' but that's all we're going to tell anyone, even the people that we expect to sell it."

GW Rep:"How many copies of Age of Sigmar do you want to order?"
Store Owner: "What is it?"
GW Rep: "We can't tell you until the pre-release, a week before the release."
Store Owner: "Then how can I know that it's worth selling? How am I supposed to build anticipation for the product and get my customers excited about it if you won't even tell me what it is?"
GW Rep: "C'mon guy, it's us, you know it's all good."
Store Owner: "You said the same thing with Dreadfleet..."
GW Rep: "So, I can put you down for 50 copies?"
Store Owner: "Is it a book? A board game? Models? What is it?"
GW Rep: "Look, I told you that we can't tell you that until the week before.....hello? hello? I must have lost the connection."

**Kanluwen**

agnosto wrote:
ntdars wrote:

I couldn't see GW removing so many awesome plastic kits though, especially ones like Dwarves that are still relatively new

Well, we're talking about a company that made plastic sprues for one event and has not sold them since. Also, the End Times stuff is all really new and is being pulled according to some.

You can pull the books without pulling the models.

**triplegrim**

agnosto wrote:
Strombones wrote:
I would put my money on the latter, but who knows?

Even with the most stretched and contorted mental gymnastics, I cannot wrap my brain around why a company keeps the release of a major part of its product a secret.

Store Owner: "Then how can I know that it's worth selling? How am I supposed to build anticipation for the product and get my customers excited about it if you won't even tell me what it is?"
GW Rep: "C'mon guy, it's us, you know it's all good."
Store Owner: "You said the same thing with Dreadfleet..."
GW Rep: "So, I can put you down for 50 copies?"
Store Owner: "Is it a book? A board game? Models? What is it?"
GW Rep: "Look, I told you that we can't tell you that until the week before.....hello? hello? I must have lost the connection."

This. I have no idea what to be excited about. Now, if I got to see the game box for a month before it is released (assuming its a boxed boardgame aka necromunda, gorkamorka, mordheim) I could perhaps get my friends stoked for it and prepare to buy it. As it is now... What the heck is GW talking about? What is AoS? A new End of Times rollercoaster? A remake?

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

agnosto wrote:
Strombones wrote:
I would put my money on the latter, but who knows?

Even with the most stretched and contorted mental gymnastics, I cannot wrap my brain around why a company keeps the release of a major part of its product a secret.

And that's the real problem here. A reboot is fine, may even be a good thing, but if the only voices out in the wild are negative, you open yourself up to people running away and not coming back. GW fails again and again to even grasp the most rudimentary concepts behind marketing and advertising which is surprising from a company that wants to sale people something.

"Hey everybody, something will come out in July and we're calling it the 'Age of Sigmar' but that's all we're going to tell anyone, even the people that we expect to sell it."

GW Rep:"How many copies of Age of Sigmar do you want to order?"
Store Owner: "What is it?"
GW Rep: "We can't tell you until the pre-release, a week before the release."
Store Owner: "Then how can I know that it's worth selling? How am I supposed to build anticipation for the product and get my customers excited about it if you won't even tell me what it is?"
GW Rep: "C'mon guy, it's us, you know it's all good."
Store Owner: "You said the same thing with Dreadfleet..."
GW Rep: "So, I can put you down for 50 copies?"
Store Owner: "Is it a book? A board game? Models? What is it?"
GW Rep: "Look, I told you that we can't tell you that until the week before.....hello? hello? I must have lost the connection."

They've not so much as shot themselves in the foot, as take a grenade launcher to both feet!

From what I heard, people stopped buying any fantasy stuff as soon as end times ended, because they did not trust GW, and they weren't willing to buy fantasy stuff, only to see it pulled the next day, when a new version came out.

Simple communication from GW could have averted this. Instead, they lost more money. What a way to run a business.

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triplegrim wrote:
agnosto wrote:
Strombones wrote:
I would put my money on the latter, but who knows?

Even with the most stretched and contorted mental gymnastics, I cannot wrap my brain around why a company keeps the release of a major part of its product a secret.

Store Owner: "Then how can I know that it's worth selling? How am I supposed to build anticipation for the product and get my customers excited about it if you won't even tell me what it is?"
GW Rep: "C'mon guy, it's us, you know it's all good."
Store Owner: "You said the same thing with Dreadfleet..."
GW Rep: "So, I can put you down for 50 copies?"
Store Owner: "Is it a book? A board game? Models? What is it?"
GW Rep: "Look, I told you that we can't tell you that until the week before.....hello? hello? I must have lost the connection."

This. I have no idea what to be excited about. Now, if I got to see the game box for a month before it is released (assuming its a boxed boardgame aka necromunda, gorkamorka, mordheim) I could perhaps get my friends stoked for it and prepare to buy it. As it is now... What the heck is GW talking about? What is AoS? A new End of Times rollercoaster? A remake?

Don't get Mikhalia started on dealing with GW. Poor guy will end up bursting a blood vessel.

**Donomar**

I was in my local GW today and they had a lot of current Warhammer stuff on round bases. One set of models looked very conspicuous as conversions in the style of the new 'holy knights'. It's been well rumoured that models will be on round bases but it was weird seeing them set up that way and not ranked up; 10 ironbreakers were done up in formation on round bases

**Kanluwen**

Honestly, it looks more like someone doing conversions for a 40k force than anything else. The first photo you posted has a loadout very similar to a Grey Knight squad would have--even using some Grey Knight parts.

**JohnnyHell**

32mm bases as well, from the look of it...

**boyd**

The first photo are Warriors of Chaos with their icons clipped off the shields. The shoulder pads are from the knights of chaos unit. Several heads are space wolves, one is a knight helmet with the horns cut off, and one is a blood angel head. One sword is from the power armored grey knight unit with a plague bearer head impaled at the end.

**pretre**

Supposedly Hastings said something recently about Brets. Anyone see that?

**Flashman**

Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, it looks more like someone doing conversions for a 40k force than anything else.

Eh? Are we looking at the same pics?

Screams Fantasy to me.

Edit - I like how it all looks on round bases. So many Fantasy minis are crying out to be presented this way rather than hidden away in a square block of troops

**Kanluwen**

Flashman wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, it looks more like someone doing conversions for a 40k force than anything else.

Eh? Are we looking at the same pics?

Screams Fantasy to me.

Look again at the first picture. The guy took the time to scrape off Chaos iconography, but left the Space Wolves skull on the storm shield in the back left corner? He left the 'force weapon doodads' on the claymores?

Edit - I like how it all looks on round bases. So many Fantasy minis are crying out to be presented this way rather than hidden away in a square block of troops

Agreed upon that.

**Desubot**

Flashman wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, it looks more like someone doing conversions for a 40k force than anything else.

Eh? Are we looking at the same pics?

Screams Fantasy to me.

Edit - I like how it all looks on round bases. So many Fantasy minis are crying out to be presented this way rather than hidden away in a square block of troops

Not with that 1 40k witch hunter inquisitor.

IT appears to be a 40k inquisition army.

**Slinky**

Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, it looks more like someone doing conversions for a 40k force than anything else. The first photo you posted has a loadout very similar to a Grey Knight squad would have--even using some Grey Knight parts.

You are Ken M, and I claim my £5

**NAVARRO**

Looks like age of sigmar is heading to be set in round bases then.

**HobbyBox**

Remember, this is from a GW store. Their store managers are the LAST people to find out anything about where GW is taking things. I'm not reading too much into these pics, especially seeing as how there are some 40K models in there too.

**agnosto**

Kanluwen wrote:
agnosto wrote:
ntdars wrote:

I couldn't see GW removing so many awesome plastic kits though, especially ones like Dwarves that are still relatively new

Well, we're talking about a company that made plastic sprues for one event and has not sold them since. Also, the End Times stuff is all really new and is being pulled according to some.

You can pull the books without pulling the models.

I'm not doubting GW would do this but outside of conversion material and collecting, I fail to see a reason to own a model that has no co nection to the current game (assumption here of course) because it got blowed the back up when the world died.

**Bull0**

They're a 40k inquisitor army including lots of skaven?

I mean, I'm not saying it has broader meaning than that the staff at this GW probably read the same rumours we do, but "that's just a 40k army", really?

**frankr**

Kiwidru wrote:
The "Age of Sigmar" thing realllllly doesnt make sense to me.

Isnt the company rebranding storefaces in england to say "warhammer" instead of "games-workshop" so that people would know what they are dealing with? why would you change the name of your product while youre changing the company name to reflect the product?

It doesn't make sense to you because "Age of Sigmar" isn't the name of Warhammer 9th edition.
it's (going by rumors) either a Board Game (aka space hulk) or the new Starter Set (ala Isle of Blood)

**HobbyBox**

Looking at the pics again, seems like they are making a few Mordheim armies and putting them on round bases. Skaven, Dwarves, one group had about 3-4 Witch Hunters, which fits one of the factions in that game. Another guy looks like a merchant which IIRC is used in one of the factions as well.

**Flashman**

HobbyBox wrote:
Remember, this is from a GW store. Their store managers are the LAST people to find out anything about where GW is taking things. I'm not reading too much into these pics, especially seeing as how there are some 40K models in there too.

I'm seeing Skaven, Dwarfs, Empire and Bretonnians in the pics and some Fantasy-esque conversions using 40K bits.

Any 40K interpretations of the models shown are made by crazy people

**Desubot**

Bull0 wrote:
They're a 40k inquisitor army including lots of skaven?

I mean, I'm not saying it has broader meaning than that the staff at this GW probably read the same rumours we do, but "that's just a 40k army", really?

People have done 40k Space skaven before.

But the knights and witch hunter could easily just be a 40k army.

**Flashman**

HobbyBox wrote:
Looking at the pics again, seems like they are making a few Mordheim armies and putting them on round bases. Skaven, Dwarves, one group had about 3-4 Witch Hunters, which fits one of the factions in that game. Another guy looks like a merchant which IIRC is used in one of the factions as well.

Everytime I mention Mordheim in a GW store, I get scowled at by the staff. Not sure Mordheim Warbands would be on display.

**HobbyBox**

Flashman wrote:
HobbyBox wrote:
Remember, this is from a GW store. Their store managers are the LAST people to find out anything about where GW is taking things. I'm not reading too much into these pics, especially seeing as how there are some 40K models in there too.

I'm seeing Skaven, Dwarfs, Empire and Bretonnians in the pics and some Fantasy-esque conversions using 40K bits.

Any 40K interpretations of the models shown are made by crazy people

The model on the middle-right side of the third picture down is an Inquisitor model from 40K. This one to be exact. http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Grey-Knights-Inquisitor-with-Inferno-Pistol-Power-Sword There is also one of the space wolves in there too, with what looks like the Valten model riding him.

So, there are 40K models in there. Being used to make fantasy-style models. Still not thinking it means anything.

**agnosto**

So the end times poster in the display case means nothing?

Edit:
And usually when you see fantasy conversions for 40K, people take the time to actually put a gun or two in a few model's hands instead of plonking a fantasy model on a round base.

**HobbyBox**

Just as much as all of the models on the bottom shelf with square bases on them