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Erren wrote:
I played the Free RPG Day scenario at Origins Game Fair today. I played a priest, grouped with a Sister of Battle and an Interrogator (I think - maybe just an acolyte). Other options were a veteran Cadian guardsman, a White Scars Tactical Marine, or a Commisar.

Without seeing the character creation/advancement rules, I have a hard time seeing how this would work well with mixed tiers of play in a party. Mechanically it seemed to work fine (lower tier characters were advanced up), but thematically it was kind of a mess. A group can certainly agree to all operate on a lower tier or all as Inquistorial Acolytes, or whatever, but again without seeing character creation rules I don’t know how well the party would be able to diversify their characters so they aren’t all basically carbon copies. I was also disappointed in the adventure itself, but I don’t know how much of that was the GM.

So far I’ve seen nothing to make me think this is going to be better than FFG’s series, which I quite like.

I have zero experience with it since I'm not at the con but my gut feeling/first impression is that it sounds like it would work best with a majority of the group as one "thing" (either marines OR normal humans OR xenos) with only one or two "others" properly leveled up. Like an experienced Inquisitorial warband or Sororitas squad with a single marine detached from the chapter for the mission(s) or a deathwatch squad with an attached Inquisitor.

I would be interested in trying a group where everyone’s one (or two) “things”.

I didn’t get to participate much in combat. Spoilers for anyone wanting to play the scenario.

Erren wrote:
I would be interested in trying a group where everyone’s one (or two) “things”.

I didn’t get to participate much in combat. Spoilers for anyone wanting to play the scenario.

Spoiler:

I killed a pox walker with one shot of a laspistol. Then the Acolyte killed two. Then the SoB killed 6 with her bolter over two rounds. In the final combat the Sister did a called headshot on the final boss and killed him before anyone could even act. She rolled well, but it was still pretty anticlimactic.

Hey... Didn't I run this game?

Sounds like maybe they made a mistake setting the intro adventure at tier 3, but they kinda had their hands tied by the need to have a marine in there.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Sounds like maybe they made a mistake setting the intro adventure at tier 3, but they kinda had their hands tied by the need to have a marine in there.

Going off nothing more than the intro comic and the pre-generated characters, my guess is that Tier 3 is the recommended party level.

BlueGrassGamer wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
Sounds like maybe they made a mistake setting the intro adventure at tier 3, but they kinda had their hands tied by the need to have a marine in there.

Going off nothing more than the intro comic and the pre-generated characters, my guess is that Tier 3 is the recommended party level.

Seriously? I thought tier 3 would be the top one and more there for people who wanna play with marines but 2 would be average, 1 for people who wanna recreate DH.

 jonolikespie wrote:

BlueGrassGamer wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
Sounds like maybe they made a mistake setting the intro adventure at tier 3, but they kinda had their hands tied by the need to have a marine in there.

Going off nothing more than the intro comic and the pre-generated characters, my guess is that Tier 3 is the recommended party level.

Seriously? I thought tier 3 would be the top one and more there for people who wanna play with marines but 2 would be average, 1 for people who wanna recreate DH.

The top one will be tier 5. I seriously hope this will allow us to play Imperial Knights, as our resident forever DM wants to run a campaign like that after reading Kingsblade

That could be cool.


The combat in this quick start booklet promises to be "a savage, ultraviolent display of carnage and woe" but I ran the numbers and upon hitting 0 wounds with no outside interference you have an 80.06% of stabilizing before you bleed out, and significantly more if you spend a Glory Wrath. The innate soak in the Resilience stat and then a rollable soak on top of that makes this all actually sound really pillowfisted.

 jonolikespie wrote:
That could be cool.


The combat in this quick start booklet promises to be "a savage, ultraviolent display of carnage and woe" but I ran the numbers and upon hitting 0 wounds with no outside interference you have an 80.06% of stabilizing before you bleed out, and significantly more if you spend a Glory Wrath. The innate soak in the Resilience stat and then a rollable soak on top of that makes this all actually sound really pillowfisted.

It's always a balancing act with player survivability and mass destruction. It is pretty normal for players to have the heroic survival advantage built into game systems that promise that sort of game play for mook bowling purpose. That is what super soldiers do, stand hip deep in the blood of their enemies. Personally I think they should have turned to the system used for a small game called "Feng Shui" for inspiration.

I highly recommend folks that like some over the top fighting to take a look at that game.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
That could be cool.


The combat in this quick start booklet promises to be "a savage, ultraviolent display of carnage and woe" but I ran the numbers and upon hitting 0 wounds with no outside interference you have an 80.06% of stabilizing before you bleed out, and significantly more if you spend a Glory Wrath. The innate soak in the Resilience stat and then a rollable soak on top of that makes this all actually sound really pillowfisted.

It's always a balancing act with player survivability and mass destruction. It is pretty normal for players to have the heroic survival advantage built into game systems that promise that sort of game play for mook bowling purpose. That is what super soldiers do, stand hip deep in the blood of their enemies. Personally I think they should have turned to the system used for a small game called "Feng Shui" for inspiration.

I highly recommend folks that like some over the top fighting to take a look at that game.

Honestly, that sounds very unsanitary!

 Albertorius wrote:


Honestly, that sounds very unsanitary!

The Emperor protects...by providing Astartes baby wipes!


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 Vector Strike wrote:

The top one will be tier 5. I seriously hope this will allow us to play Imperial Knights, as our resident forever DM wants to run a campaign like that after reading Kingsblade

The very first promotional materials said iirc that would be the case.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
That could be cool.


The combat in this quick start booklet promises to be "a savage, ultraviolent display of carnage and woe" but I ran the numbers and upon hitting 0 wounds with no outside interference you have an 80.06% of stabilizing before you bleed out, and significantly more if you spend a Glory Wrath. The innate soak in the Resilience stat and then a rollable soak on top of that makes this all actually sound really pillowfisted.

It's always a balancing act with player survivability and mass destruction. It is pretty normal for players to have the heroic survival advantage built into game systems that promise that sort of game play for mook bowling purpose. That is what super soldiers do, stand hip deep in the blood of their enemies. Personally I think they should have turned to the system used for a small game called "Feng Shui" for inspiration.

I highly recommend folks that like some over the top fighting to take a look at that game.

Honestly, that sounds very unsanitary!

The sanitation officer, coming to your regiment soon!

Imperial Knights have not been confirmed, rather I dearly hoped it would be the case due to them using a specific piece of art.

It would be hilarious if one of those finger-down-the-throat-and-regurgitate-news-from-other-places sites took that post as gospel.

My bad. Looking over the monthly previews, they never explicitly said it and I was just reading too much into the art.

As did I, one can hope!

A corpse starch recovery technician, a guardsman and an Ultramarine stride into a Space Bar, looking around they see their local contact an Imperial Knight Paladin squashed uncomfortably into a dark booth near the back of the vast, cavernous room.....

I think it would be more like Marneus Calgar, the High Magos of a Forgeworld, and Lord Commander Creed in that example, lol.

Have they added any additional 'bonus content' to the pre-orders yet?

Not that I'm aware of, it's been awfully quiet as of late. Weren't we promised frequent previews and updates?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
A corpse starch recovery technician, a guardsman and an Ultramarine stride into a Space Bar, looking around they see their local contact an Imperial Knight Paladin squashed uncomfortably into a dark booth near the back of the vast, cavernous room.....

The Stompa waitress sashays over, her revealing armour drawing all eyes in the bar to her big guns...

 BrookM wrote:
Not that I'm aware of, it's been awfully quiet as of late. Weren't we promised frequent previews and updates?

I believe they said they'd announce something extra weekly. It could be delayed because of the Origins Game Convention going on right now if they're exhibiting there.

BlueGrassGamer wrote:

Erren wrote:
I would be interested in trying a group where everyone’s one (or two) “things”.

I didn’t get to participate much in combat. Spoilers for anyone wanting to play the scenario.

Spoiler:

I killed a pox walker with one shot of a laspistol. Then the Acolyte killed two. Then the SoB killed 6 with her bolter over two rounds. In the final combat the Sister did a called headshot on the final boss and killed him before anyone could even act. She rolled well, but it was still pretty anticlimactic.

Hey... Didn't I run this game?

Yep!

I played with BlueGrassGamer again at Origins this morning. The adventure (it was written for con preview events I think?) was better written, imho, and we had 6 players instead of 3. It was really weird having a commissar, a guardsman, a Tactical Marine, a priest, an Interrogator, and a Sister of Battle all be “about equal”, but as has been belabored elsewhere, any home group can work around that issue easily. 6 players is too big for just about any RPG, and it was too big for this too, but I don’t really fault it for that.

There’s no psychic rules in the previews I saw. There’s little indication about character creation or advancement. The dice pool system is fine, I guess. I’m reminded of FFG’s Star Wars and Genesys systems with their narrative results, which I despise, but I guess some people like that? It appeared that it could be easily discarded as desired, so that’s a plus I guess? If the character creation/advancement rules are fine, the writing is solid, and it receives good support from the company, I suspect it will do well, but then again, that’s not really new information for anyone I would think.

I guess my main take-always were that the Free RPG Day and Convention events don’t provide nearly enough information for me to make any bet on whether this will be successful. I’ll probably buy it at retail from my FLGS, but I’m not excited yet, which in itself is worrying.

I got to speak very, very briefly with one of the designers today at Origins. Knights are not in the Core Rulebook, but they want to do them. There is a Knight World in the sub sector the game is set in. ADB wrote much/all of the background/setting stuff.

Erren wrote:
I got to speak very, very briefly with one of the designers today at Origins. Knights are not in the Core Rulebook, but they want to do them. There is a Knight World in the sub sector the game is set in. ADB wrote much/all of the background/setting stuff.

Short term: awww
Long term: yaaay

nice to know they're considering it.

Anyone heard anything about them officially supporting Wrath and Glory on Roll20?

Chrono Gladiator

Artist: Nikolaus Ingeneri

Eh... Chrono glads were never something I was really thrilled with.

Anyone heard any news on when the free rpg day pdf will be released? I think I read it was a part of the preorder bundle so I hope that won't supercede a general release.

Preview of the card decks...
https://www.ulisses-us.com/wrath-glory-card-previews/

Cards replace and expand tables in the book.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
Preview of the card decks...
https://www.ulisses-us.com/wrath-glory-card-previews/

Cards replace and expand tables in the book.

Fething cards....
Can't say I disliked cards and poker chips for deadlands, but these are things I already had.