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grefven wrote:
Who awesome doesn't that concept art look? :p

I'm guessing that was "How" not "who"? Puzzled me for a bit

Have they finished delivering everything from KS1 yet?

I don't think so...

RiTides, how the hell am I supposed to set my watch if you keep missing stuff like this?!?

 Alpharius wrote:
Have they finished delivering everything from KS1 yet?

I don't think so...

RiTides, how the hell am I supposed to set my watch if you keep missing stuff like this?!?

They have not yet finished all their delivery from KS1. I am still waiting for part of it (which makes sense since I pledged for miniatures that are in progress like Angrislaug, etc.), but I've received figures that were available. I know that I will not get a full delivery before KS2 ends, because some miniatures are projected to be finished in December. But I'm fine with that.

grefven wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Have they finished delivering everything from KS1 yet?

I don't think so...

RiTides, how the hell am I supposed to set my watch if you keep missing stuff like this?!?

They have not yet finished all their delivery from KS1. I am still waiting for part of it (which makes sense since I pledged for miniatures that are in progress like Angrislaug, etc.), but I've received figures that were available. I know that I will not get a full delivery before KS2 ends, because some miniatures are projected to be finished in December. But I'm fine with that.

Yeah. They've been right on schedule with everything, with a ton of models coming early.

And then there's that Update, which may be one if the most thorough and professional I've ever seen in a KS.

They'll keep getting my money because of it.

I wish I had more money, just so I could give it to them!

I'm only waiting on the girlie on the giant stag, I've got everything else I ordered.

 Alpharius wrote:
Have they finished delivering everything from KS1 yet?

I don't think so...

RiTides, how the hell am I supposed to set my watch if you keep missing stuff like this?!?

I give points for frequent communication and WIP pics... Mierce have been better than any other campaign I've seen for that.

So, no nerd rage here... this time!

The ones that really aggravate me are ones that have delivered nothing or hardly anything... Mierce, while not complete, blew away my expectations with their fulfillment (sculpt quality, timeliness, and communication).

I was, I believe, very rightfully wary of these guys when they launched the first campaign. I still might steer clear of them just due to how the owner treated his former customers. But, the team has really hit this out of the park thus far.

The main thing actually keeping me clear of them still is the scale of their sculpts- they're all so big! So, most of them are things I feel like I need to see scale shots of before considering (and even then, there was a scale shot of a model I purchased from them before they reorganized, and I still didn't realize how BIG it was!).

But I'm a big fan of many of their sculpts from this campaign.

One of the things they're looking to do for KS2 is expanding the range of man sized infantry. The only kindred that won't get men in their ranks are the Khthones.

Definitely looking forward to see the Dark Age roman remnants...

 zedmeister wrote:
Definitely looking forward to see the Dark Age roman remnants...

Me too

Anyone here who could tell what 500/1000/2500 gold warhosts would get you?

Will the discount be as high as the first ks?

Not to sure about the gold, but they have said the discount will not be as much....about 20%.

 devilution wrote:
Anyone here who could tell what 500/1000/2500 gold warhosts would get you?

Will the discount be as high as the first ks?

They have released rosters, so you can sort of guess at what each of those categories would get you. 500 gold would probably be a unit of 5 of the monstrous infantry (Minotaurs, Trolls etc.) plus a minor hero type, if that. 500 gold would be around where most of the KS1 initial pledges would set pre-stretch rewards.....ish.

 devilution wrote:
Anyone here who could tell what 500/1000/2500 gold warhosts would get you?

Will the discount be as high as the first ks?

Human sized infantry run 15 to 25 points. Large infantry 50-100, rare beasts 200 to 400. Some commanders can run 100 to 500 points,


From MM @Bradley - yes, they will be discounted, but nowhere near as heavily as this one. Expect around 20-25%.

Too bad :(

The minis are top notch, but collecting an army is way too expensive.

 devilution wrote:
Too bad :(

The minis are top notch, but collecting an army is way too expensive.

Hardly. In the first KS I got a monstrous infantry starter that amounts to over 500 points, pr a great starter game size, for like $120.

 cincydooley wrote:

 devilution wrote:
Too bad :(

The minis are top notch, but collecting an army is way too expensive.

Hardly. In the first KS I got a monstrous infantry starter that amounts to over 500 points, pr a great starter game size, for like $120.

Yeah, but they already said that minis in this kickstarter will be nowhere near as discounted as the first one. Plus more of your pledge will be going to the rulebook rather than miniatures.

I think this one's gonna be too expensive for me. Beautiful miniatures for sure, and no doubt the rulebook will be too (some of the artwork is incredible), but I really think it's going to be too much for me, personally, to get into. Shame, it'd probably have been different if I'd caught the first ks.

They've already stated that £80 will be 500 coins, and we know that that's effectively a starter set. Plus they have stated that there are pledge levels for just a single general. I'm not seeing the expense here.

Yeah, but they already said that minis in this kickstarter will be nowhere near as discounted as the first one

Well that's disappointing, if the discount is just gonna be 20% I'm probably gonna have to sit this one out. Feels a bit insulting actually, if they expect us to pay for their production upfront they can at least give us a decent discount.

 plastictrees wrote:
They've already stated that £80 will be 500 coins, and we know that that's effectively a starter set. Plus they have stated that there are pledge levels for just a single general. I'm not seeing the expense here.

£80 for a starter is pretty expensive in my opinion. It includes tokens and dice, does it include the rulebook? I may have missed it, but that update read like it wasn't included. So, if it doesn't, you have to add that too (£30? maybe). And when you consider that small skirmish games are fought at 1000gold, seems to me like quite an expensive game to get in to.


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Also, slightly disappointing is that it looks like the rulebook won't include terribly much background/fluff since they're looking at releasing a separate book for it.

Phew, we found new reasons to be miserable feths, all that positive stuff was starting to drag this thread down.

If you don't want to back a KS that doesn't throw buckets of models at you, good for you. That doesn't mean one that has proven they can manage what they commit to and establish a sensible price point is "insulting" you.

fething Internet.

 alanmckenzie wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
They've already stated that £80 will be 500 coins, and we know that that's effectively a starter set. Plus they have stated that there are pledge levels for just a single general. I'm not seeing the expense here.

£80 for a starter is pretty expensive in my opinion. It includes tokens and dice, does it include the rulebook? I may have missed it, but that update read like it wasn't included. So, if it doesn't, you have to add that too (£30? maybe). And when you consider that small skirmish games are fought at 1000gold, seems to me like quite an expensive game to get in to.


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Also, slightly disappointing is that it looks like the rulebook won't include terribly much background/fluff since they're looking at releasing a separate book for it.

Because



Isn't enough?

+1 to "fething Internet"

I understand az, lovely miniatures (as I said) If either of you care to read what I actually posted, I said that it looks like it might be too expensive for me to back. Being that "expensive" is fairly subjective, your, well made, points unfortunately can't really change my mind.

Trees? Get a grip of yourself pal. If people posting honest, coherent, polite comments is "insulting" to you, then good for you. No wonder you don't like the Internet.

Have a good day guys.

But mate, you're making judgement calls based on limited information.

What if the £80 does include the rulebook?

What if the 20% discount just applies to additions to pledges, but the pledges themselves are much better value?

What if they read the general grumbling in this thread and revise the structure of the KS slightly?

Its the same disease that afflicts every single GW leak thread, don't throw your hands in the air and proclaim the end of the world until the facts are known for definite.

Perhaps I'm slightly less bothered because I have no intention of playing and just cherry pick the models I love to use as counts as (or just to have in one or two cases) so the prospect of 20% off awesome miniatures doesn't really strike me as all that bad a deal.

Ah...

OK.

Everyone needs to realize that opinions will differ - and that's just fine!

Toeing the line of Rule #1 is getting old.

Spirit and letter please - thanks!

I got a huge dilema :-) (first world problem)

Backing this or backing Wrath Of Kings.

Anyone who can help me out here :p?

Is the darklands game fun to play?

 azreal13 wrote:
But mate, you're making judgement calls based on limited information.

What if the £80 does include the rulebook?

What if the 20% discount just applies to additions to pledges, but the pledges themselves are much better value?

What if they read the general grumbling in this thread and revise the structure of the KS slightly?

Its the same disease that afflicts every single GW leak thread, don't throw your hands in the air and proclaim the end of the world until the facts are known for definite.

Perhaps I'm slightly less bothered because I have no intention of playing and just cherry pick the models I love to use as counts as (or just to have in one or two cases) so the prospect of 20% off awesome miniatures doesn't really strike me as all that bad a deal.

Come on man, I never threw my hands up and declared anything. And I didn't mean to make judgement calls, I only commented on how it was looking at the moment in terms of my own potential involvement. Everything else you say is absolutely correct though, nothing is definite and of course I'm going to look at it when it opens up.

I think I'll end up doing something similar to yourself, picking up a couple of models at a 20% discount, which as you say, is a pretty good deal. Again, some outstandingly nice miniatures. Suppose I was just lamenting a little bit out loud that getting into the whole game is likely going to be too expensive for me (personally). From the gameplay video and the QuickStart rules (and obviously alongside the models and artwork), I quite liked the look of it. Again though, "expensive" is subjective and these are only my thoughts. Wasn't attempting to shape anyone else's views or influence anyone, or bring the thread down or anything. Just lamenting out loud.

plastictrees wrote:Phew, we found new reasons to be miserable feths, all that positive stuff was starting to drag this thread down.

If you don't want to back a KS that doesn't throw buckets of models at you, good for you. That doesn't mean one that has proven they can manage what they commit to and establish a sensible price point is "insulting" you.

fething Internet.

Easily rustled are we? Kickstarter projects are a two way street, many people seem to forget that. Kickstarters are a great way to raise money, they only have to pay us back in models which we paid the moulds for! We customers are also always taking a risk when supporting a kickstarter and in return for that I expect a nice discount, better then what any internet retailer can give me.

azreal13 wrote:Its the same disease that afflicts every single GW leak thread, don't throw your hands in the air and proclaim the end of the world until the facts are known for definite.

Perhaps I'm slightly less bothered because I have no intention of playing and just cherry pick the models I love to use as counts as (or just to have in one or two cases) so the prospect of 20% off awesome miniatures doesn't really strike me as all that bad a deal.

No one is clamoring about the end of the world, just concerned about the price point, which is a legitimate concern.

I'd encourage you not to back it then ulgur. It looks like you're not going to be made happy by high quality models at reasonable prices and accurate delivery times.

There are plenty of other KS projects that don't give discounts, or give better discounts. Either way, you're certainly not entitled to it.

Sounds like its too expensive for you, or you're too cheap for it. Either way, doesn't look like its for you.

 cincydooley wrote:
I'd encourage you not to back it then ulgur. It looks like you're not going to be made happy by high quality models at reasonable prices and accurate delivery times.

There are plenty of other KS projects that don't give discounts, or give better discounts. Either way, you're certainly not entitled to it.

Sounds like its too expensive for you, or you're too cheap for it. Either way, doesn't look like its for you.

Yeah I know, I pointed that out in my initial post. It's a bit disappointing but I guess we will have to wait and see.

Though if they release the rumored lizardfolk models I don't think I will be able to hold back

alanmckenzie wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
But mate, you're making judgement calls based on limited information.

What if the £80 does include the rulebook?

What if the 20% discount just applies to additions to pledges, but the pledges themselves are much better value?

What if they read the general grumbling in this thread and revise the structure of the KS slightly?

Its the same disease that afflicts every single GW leak thread, don't throw your hands in the air and proclaim the end of the world until the facts are known for definite.

Perhaps I'm slightly less bothered because I have no intention of playing and just cherry pick the models I love to use as counts as (or just to have in one or two cases) so the prospect of 20% off awesome miniatures doesn't really strike me as all that bad a deal.

Come on man, I never threw my hands up and declared anything. And I didn't mean to make judgement calls, I only commented on how it was looking at the moment in terms of my own potential involvement. Everything else you say is absolutely correct though, nothing is definite and of course I'm going to look at it when it opens up.

I think I'll end up doing something similar to yourself, picking up a couple of models at a 20% discount, which as you say, is a pretty good deal. Again, some outstandingly nice miniatures. Suppose I was just lamenting a little bit out loud that getting into the whole game is likely going to be too expensive for me (personally). From the gameplay video and the QuickStart rules (and obviously alongside the models and artwork), I quite liked the look of it. Again though, "expensive" is subjective and these are only my thoughts. Wasn't attempting to shape anyone else's views or influence anyone, or bring the thread down or anything. Just lamenting out loud.

No, fair enough, I perhaps overdramatised your reaction a bit, it isn't quite the Chicken Little nonsense that gets spouted in every single GW release thread since time immemorial.

I'd still hang fire for the final details before getting too despondent though. (Oh, and believe me, my definition of expensive is very much in line with yours, but it will depend somewhat on what they offer for the cash)

Yeah, of course I'll hang on and have a look. And who knows, it certainly wouldn't be the first time that I've been tempted into something that can't really afford.

Cheers