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That carnosaur does look quite good.

 Warpspy wrote:

"Arrogance and fear". Wow. Really?

Ya really. The only ones down on these paints are local store heroes who are peeved they won't be able to lord it over the unwashed, unpainted masses anymore. Same as people who were upset when the first superheavy was made into plastic and they weren't special snowflakes with their resin Baneblade anymore.

I keep flip flopping on these. I’ve seen some great examples of Contrast in use, which makes me want to give them a try. On the other hand, I know I couldn’t replicate my usual painting style with Contrast, so I’m a bit torn. I’m not sure I can justify spending a lot of money on new paint that I might not like.

I talked to my FLGS yesterday. His take:

All GW Stores and only FLGS that buy either the $2000 or $4000 paint options (the new paint racks and stuff) will get the Contrast paints on release date. The rest have to wait until all the orders are done and hope there are any left. Maybe a month later.

There might be exceptions for FLGS that already carry a gak ton of stock, but I don’t know.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I keep flip flopping on these. I’ve seen some great examples of Contrast in use, which makes me want to give them a try. On the other hand, I know I couldn’t replicate my usual painting style with Contrast, so I’m a bit torn. I’m not sure I can justify spending a lot of money on new paint that I might not like.

I've decided to use them only on a new army. With some of my existing armies I don't think I could get the blend right to fit in with the style but I can use these on new armies like my beastmen, orks, or tyranids.

jullevi wrote:
The Contrast hype train is starting to run out juice for me. I honestly believe that Warhammer Community started to build the hype bit too early. When the street date was finally given, my first thought was "do I really have to wait three more weeks?". It feels that I have already waited long enough and if GW fails to provide the product for release date I am going to spend far less than I originally intended.

While I appreciate previews of what to come, too much hype often turns against the product. For me it killed the interest in Forbidden Power and I am afraid it might do the same for Contrast paints and Warcry

Agreed, I feel that too long a preview/hype/advertising period ends up really killing the quality of the end product.

By the time the Contrast paints actually come out, they'll basically be useless. Utterly useless. Why can't GW see that?

*cough*

Too many posts...

Can someone recap for me what is going away and what is changing? Or point me to the right place?

Pre-orders are up on the New Zealand site (all 299 of them), including several bundles.

I'm not sure I like these new paint pot colour graphics. They would probably be OK with a real example of the paint colour as well.

Build your own Battle Ready bundle T&C

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Build-your-own-Battle-Ready-Paint-Set

A Qualifying Order consists of the purchase of 10 paints in the following combination as part of a single order:

(i) 4 Base paints from Product List A; and
(ii) 2 Shade paints from Product List B; and
(iii) 3 Contrast paints from Product List C; and
(iv) 1 Technical paint from Product List D.

No restriction on taking more than 1 of the same paint. Limited to 20 sets per person. Discount applied at checkout.

The other bundles don't seem to be discounted just all of a certain set in a 1 click order for the same price as they would be individually.

 ekwatts wrote:

jullevi wrote:
The Contrast hype train is starting to run out juice for me. I honestly believe that Warhammer Community started to build the hype bit too early. When the street date was finally given, my first thought was "do I really have to wait three more weeks?". It feels that I have already waited long enough and if GW fails to provide the product for release date I am going to spend far less than I originally intended.

While I appreciate previews of what to come, too much hype often turns against the product. For me it killed the interest in Forbidden Power and I am afraid it might do the same for Contrast paints and Warcry

Agreed, I feel that too long a preview/hype/advertising period ends up really killing the quality of the end product.

By the time the Contrast paints actually come out, they'll basically be useless. Utterly useless. Why can't GW see that?

*cough*

Don't twist my words by agreeing to something I did not say.

I said that long wait is killing my excitement for the product. If I am given too much time to think, I may end up making reasonable decisions instead of impulse purchases However, it looks like my FLGS is placing a big order so buy-everything-without-thinking is still an option...

 DaveC wrote:
I'm not sure I like these new paint pot colour graphics. They would probably be OK with a real example of the paint colour as well.

Yes, the new graphics are horrible. I was hoping for photos of the paints used on actual minis.

 Ghaz wrote:
Pre-orders are up on the New Zealand site (all 299 of them), including several bundles.

They are garbage, though. Half no discount, half smaller discount than independent stores while having only 30% of contrast in it. They really dropped ball on this one, if there was a Paint + Built bundle (which usually has not only paint discount, but free models too and can be bought from normal shops) I'd grabbed it in a heartbeat, now, I'll wait the month or two before the new paints finally reach this country

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I keep flip flopping on these. I’ve seen some great examples of Contrast in use, which makes me want to give them a try. On the other hand, I know I couldn’t replicate my usual painting style with Contrast, so I’m a bit torn. I’m not sure I can justify spending a lot of money on new paint that I might not like.

Then don't spend lots of money on them? Just... buy one pot? Or two?

These look pretty good for certain colours that some people tend to struggle with. Whites, yellows, some reds, black, for example. I'll definitely be picking up the Contrast pots aimed at those colours. I don't see any reason to replace paints and techniques I'm already happy with with them at this stage.

Of course, if the Contrast range does indeed speed up my overall painting (something which is probably more down to me rather than the specific paints/techniques I use, to be perfectly honest) and/or gives better results than I already achieve without them, then I'll probably buy more.

There's no need for anyone to throw huge wads of cash at new paints if they already have perfectly good ones and they're not entirely sure.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
I'm not sure I like these new paint pot colour graphics. They would probably be OK with a real example of the paint colour as well.

Yes, the new graphics are horrible. I was hoping for photos of the paints used on actual minis.

I would like to believe they chose to use the paint swatches as they match the paint colour better than just looking at a pot of paint. That being said, I would like real life examples of the paints as well.

I also see that the missing Layer oaints are also up for pre-order. No idea why they kept them a secret...

 Irbis wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Pre-orders are up on the New Zealand site (all 299 of them), including several bundles.

They are garbage, though. Half no discount, half smaller discount than independent stores while having only 30% of contrast in it. They really dropped ball on this one, if there was a Paint + Built bundle (which usually has not only paint discount, but free models too and can be bought from normal shops) I'd grabbed it in a heartbeat, now, I'll wait the month or two before the new paints finally reach this country

One-click bundles rarely, if ever, give a discount. People still seem to ask for them however.

 Warpspy wrote:
"Arrogance and fear". Wow. Really?

You're right. Fear is perhaps an ill-fitting word. Insecurity would be a more accurate word.

 Warpspy wrote:
So...

This:

Spoiler:

is just the same as this?

Spoiler:

I don't believe I even hinted at such a comparison, so I really don't know what your point is.

What’s that convert to into £, € & $ for the rest of the world?
Is 98 close to a normal price product at all etc?

$98NZ is what they charge for an IG tank (Chimera/LR/Basilisk).

Maybe it's has something to do with looking at the NZ site, but is there a reason that prices and the pre-order button aren't showing up for spray cans?

Danny76 wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:


To real news: The way that they're choosing to release these (2 week pre-order? staggered release? weird bundles that are mostly non-contrast paints? no full paint sets of the range?) seems odd. I know it's a large new range of SKUs all at once, but I don't recall any of their old, large paint revamps being this unnessecarily complex.

I’ve missed where they’ve said staggered release?
And it’s not a 2 week pre order right? It’s the 8th to preorder and they release 15th..

Bundle thing is weird, but also a nice money saving bundle, so I wouldn’t complain as they don’t normally..

They haven't really said anything firmly, but I've seen reports online about it being a staggered release, with not all retailers getting their product for release on the 15th. I'd have thought we'd find out properly today, but the NZ site doesn't really inform us of much. There has been at least one more post discussing dodgy supply and a staggered release in more detail, though.

The bundles are clearly aimed at new players and painters. I'm disappointed that there are no proper paint sets as I don't need a pile of extra base paints nor shades, but I guess they figure that people like us will just buybuybuy as they're released. The GW discount probably won't be much compared to a friendly retailer's discount anyway. I'm not familiar with the NZ standard prices, and it's just easier for me to wait for the AU site update to roll around in under an hour...

 Yodhrin wrote:

Ever heard the phrase "it's not what you say, it's how you say it"?

You've been on fire throughout this thread. Seriously.
Good stuff particularly from HBMC and Albino Squirrel as well.

 ekwatts wrote:

By the time the Contrast paints actually come out, they'll basically be useless. Utterly useless. Why can't GW see that?
*cough*

They won't be useless or anything, but the long drawn-out wait and now staggered release and uneven supply to many stores is getting fething annoying.

It doesn't diminish the (potential) value of the product, but it can piss people off and diminish their enthusiasm for it. Especially when GW has trained us to often find about something (or the details of it) a week before pre-order. With something like paint, people can have a "cool, I want to use them on my ______ models" reaction, and a month or more later when it's finally available their enthusiasm can have waned and they may have moved onto other things.

 Chris521 wrote:
Maybe it's has something to do with looking at the NZ site, but is there a reason that prices and the pre-order button aren't showing up for spray cans?

Yes. All of NZ orders are fulfilled from Australia and rattlecans are not allowed to be sent through the post.

The All The New Paints bundle on the NZ site states that it will ship on June 15th. No staggered release dates for the new Base, Layer, Air or Contrast paints. There may be low stock or shortages, but there is no staggered release.

 Ghaz wrote:
The All The New Paints bundle on the NZ site states that it will ship on June 15th. No staggered release dates for the new Base, Layer, Air or Contrast paints. There may be low stock or shortages, but there is no staggered release.

That's purchasing them from GW directly and has no references to supply for individual independent retailers.

I don't think people have been talking about the new paints being staggered across their ranges (contrast, air, base, layer, etc) but new paints being staggered in their overall availability to different "tiers" of retailers.

And again it's not a staggered release just because stores may be shorted or not able to get some of the paints in.

 ingtaer wrote:

 Chris521 wrote:
Maybe it's has something to do with looking at the NZ site, but is there a reason that prices and the pre-order button aren't showing up for spray cans?

Yes. All of NZ orders are fulfilled from Australia and rattlecans are not allowed to be sent through the post.

Thanks

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Also a new video with contrast paint and zenithal highlighting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlagi0Im09U&t=

While I personally don't like the darker Imperial Fist, I think it's a nice effect without to much effort. I'm planning on testing out some contrast for Deathwatch to see if I can find a good way and I might try that technique. Perhaps mechanicus grey, with a grey seer highlight, then black templar contrast?

 Ghaz wrote:
And again it's not a staggered release just because stores may be shorted or not able to get some of the paints in.

Let's argue over semantics.

We're also not talking about being shorted or not able to get some of the paints in. We're talking about staggered release availability and some stores not being able to get any of the paints in.

A staggered release is what they did with the Chaos Space Marines earlier in the year. They released some of the models in the first week, some of the models in the second week and so on and so forth.

Not having enough product to cover the release does not make it a staggered release. It simply means that the product is out of stock and some stores may not get some or all of their order in time for the release date.

Staggered availability of the release then. Again, are you just here to argue over semantics?

It's not "out of stock" as it hasn't been released nor allocated yet - nor are they apparently even allowing some stores to order it for the release date.

I don't know how you can try to call a product "out of stock" when retailers haven't all even had a chance to order it yet?

You know what? Nevermind. You're being deliberately obtuse and unnecessarily recalcitrant so I'm just going to stop talking to you.

jullevi wrote:
The Contrast hype train is starting to run out juice for me. I honestly believe that Warhammer Community started to build the hype bit too early. When the street date was finally given, my first thought was "do I really have to wait three more weeks?". It feels that I have already waited long enough and if GW fails to provide the product for release date I am going to spend far less than I originally intended.

While I appreciate previews of what to come, too much hype often turns against the product. For me it killed the interest in Forbidden Power and I am afraid it might do the same for Contrast paints and Warcry

Ya rumors pretty much are they won't even start to remotely stock the contrast paints until the end of the month and even then it will probably be sold out. GW can't prepare for anything and I see this being a whole lot of hype for a product that few will get to enjoy. Seems to be the norm for GW nowadays.

Well for every gamer that doesn’t want them it means more for the rest of us

Eh, the ‘hype’ seems to be perfectly pitched if people are psyched and this is looking to sell out quickly. But obviously spinning that as incompetence, marketing being boring etc is the forum norm. It’s obviously inconvenient if you don’t get some day one and wanted some but it’s not the apocalypse (different box set, that one!).