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From Charlo on Bolter and Chainsword:

They are a separate army.
Example they used were they are the same as custodes or thunder warriors. A totally different breed with different equipment and support.
They also used that reasoning to say that the normal marines will not be phased out.
Someone also asked if there would still be releases for the old marines and they said not strisgtened away, but in the future.

Eyjio wrote:

changemod wrote:
Yeah now that I've had time to look it over that Dread has exactly the same number and arrangement of hard points as a Leviathan dread, whilst being significantly less cool. Pass.

As for the Tau thing: If they didn't mean for Cawl to be ripping off the Tau they've certainly did a phenomenal job of accidental parallels given he's invented imperial crisis suits.

I feel the opposite - I hate the Leviathan Dread, it looks like someone stuffed pillows under the armour and the guy inside got really fat because it's softly rounded. This dread comes across as Leviathan mk II to me, or a mini warhound.

As for Tau resemblance, I don't see it. About the only thing they share in common is the 3 circular tanks at the bottom; everything else looks pretty much like the old Dread plasma cannon.

Yea the Leviathan has the exact same issues as the contemptor. It looks like a chibby model out of a 90's video game, I bet they could make one out of PVC without much if any detail loss. Instead of walking sarcophagus they just look like big robot marines. I won't argue that the old washing machine isn't silly, but I will argue that it is silly in the right ways; I walking fighting casket/life support system for a fallen hero from the past called upon in dire straights, rather then hulkbuster armor.

Just received emails showing that GW has shipped me two copies of the starter box and a set of the codices. Tuesday can't come fast enough. I'll get to start painting Deathguard and find out what my orks can do this time around.

Sorry if it's been posted (just link me to the thread) but has any points costs been leaked? I'm curious what a squad of Plasma Marines (Primaris) costs, for example, or the standard squad of Plague Marines, or any other major units for comparison, like an Imperial Knight.

Rather important to get an idea what size tournament armies will be.

The whole 'stealing Tau tech' thing might be a good shout....

We know Cawl is a bit of a wildcard as the Mechanicus goes, mostly because he's got the backing of Guilliman,

But it's not necessarily adapted tech so much as inspired.

When the Mechanicus go to war, they collect data and lots of it. It could simply be inspirationd derived from that data - angles of armour plates, design of a leg.

Or the ship that the Tau found that kickstarted their technology could be a Dark Age ship, and Cawl has simply found the relevant STC etc.

Not necessarily anything untoward or suspicious there.

Images for the monopose sprues:

The new dread is a nice mix of the new and the old, just like the primarus marines.

@ Cephalobeard

Definitely one of the coolest chapters out there.

 ImAGeek wrote:
From Charlo on Bolter and Chainsword:

They are a separate army.
Example they used were they are the same as custodes or thunder warriors. A totally different breed with different equipment and support.
They also used that reasoning to say that the normal marines will not be phased out.
Someone also asked if there would still be releases for the old marines and they said not strisgtened away, but in the future.

To be honest I thought this was the case the moment the Inceptors were shown off, simply because they look nothing like Assault Marines and apparently fill an entirely different role. If we don't get a Scout equivalent, Primaris Marines will not replace the classics. In Age of Sigmar, the world got blown up which justified the creation of new armies and removal of old ones. In 40K, what possible fluff justification could they use to get rid of all the existing Space Marine models and characters? Let's not forget that Primaris Marines have an entirely different chapter battle organization compared to normal Space Marines - the former are organized like Heresy-era Legions, the latter adhere to the Codex Astartes.

People are just too quick to jump to a conclusion based on the worst possible scenario.

 Galas wrote:
Images for the monopose sprues - [See the above post]

Can anyone make out what is on the transfer sheet?

In 40K, what possible fluff justification could they use to get rid of all the existing Space Marine models and characters?

Very simple: as numarines are superior to oldmarines in every way, there's no point in making oldmarines any more. Especially, when numarines can be bred faster. Let the oldmarines die out in time and be replenished with numarines.
Exactly, like you would restock any other product with a better, new and improved product.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The whole 'stealing Tau tech' thing might be a good shout....

We know Cawl is a bit of a wildcard as the Mechanicus goes, mostly because he's got the backing of Guilliman,

But it's not necessarily adapted tech so much as inspired.

When the Mechanicus go to war, they collect data and lots of it. It could simply be inspirationd derived from that data - angles of armour plates, design of a leg.

Or the ship that the Tau found that kickstarted their technology could be a Dark Age ship, and Cawl has simply found the relevant STC etc.

Not necessarily anything untoward or suspicious there.

There's also plenty of fluff from the Damocles campaign books about the Mechanicus studying and capturing plenty of tau tech, basically having a field day with exploiting the campaign for their own ends.

I hope there are some black Templar transfers on the sheet - that's the chapter I am doing my Primaris in!

 CragHack wrote:

In 40K, what possible fluff justification could they use to get rid of all the existing Space Marine models and characters?

Very simple: as numarines are superior to oldmarines in every way, there's no point in making oldmarines any more. Especially, when numarines can be bred faster. Let the oldmarines die out in time and be replenished with numarines.
Exactly, like you would restock any other product with a better, new and improved product.

Yeah, and what happens to Marneus Calgar, Commander Dante, Ragnar Blackmane, Cypher, Alessio Cortez, etc? You know, characters that are a major part of the history of 40K? They just disappear?

Put it to bed. They have outright stated they will not phase the old Marines out and that there will be future releases for them. If they were going the way of the dodo, there would be no new Space Marine models.

Can anyone make out what is on the transfer sheet?

I see Ultras, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and some red, yellow and white ones I cannot make out.

 CragHack wrote:

In 40K, what possible fluff justification could they use to get rid of all the existing Space Marine models and characters?

Very simple: as numarines are superior to oldmarines in every way, there's no point in making oldmarines any more. Especially, when numarines can be bred faster. Let the oldmarines die out in time and be replenished with numarines.
Exactly, like you would restock any other product with a better, new and improved product.

That'd make a lot of sense if it weren't for the fact that all primaris marines shown so far fill subtly to extremely different tactical roles to their nearest equivalent regular marine unit, especially in tabletop terms.

Caederes wrote:

 CragHack wrote:

In 40K, what possible fluff justification could they use to get rid of all the existing Space Marine models and characters?

Very simple: as numarines are superior to oldmarines in every way, there's no point in making oldmarines any more. Especially, when numarines can be bred faster. Let the oldmarines die out in time and be replenished with numarines.
Exactly, like you would restock any other product with a better, new and improved product.

Yeah, and what happens to Marneus Calgar, Commander Dante, Ragnar Blackmane, Cypher, Alessio Cortez, etc? You know, characters that are a major part of the history of 40K? They just disappear?

Put it to bed. They have outright stated they will not phase the old Marines out and that there will be future releases for them. If they were going the way of the dodo, there would be no new Space Marine models.

All those characters will be getting upgrades to become Primaris too. Can't wait to see new versions of those classic models.

 CragHack wrote:

In 40K, what possible fluff justification could they use to get rid of all the existing Space Marine models and characters?

Very simple: as numarines are superior to oldmarines in every way, there's no point in making oldmarines any more. Especially, when numarines can be bred faster. Let the oldmarines die out in time and be replenished with numarines.
Exactly, like you would restock any other product with a better, new and improved product.

It's been stated you can turn existing space marines into Numarines. You don't even need them to all die out to replace all of them.

Caederes wrote:

 CragHack wrote:

In 40K, what possible fluff justification could they use to get rid of all the existing Space Marine models and characters?

Very simple: as numarines are superior to oldmarines in every way, there's no point in making oldmarines any more. Especially, when numarines can be bred faster. Let the oldmarines die out in time and be replenished with numarines.
Exactly, like you would restock any other product with a better, new and improved product.

Yeah, and what happens to Marneus Calgar, Commander Dante, Ragnar Blackmane, Cypher, Alessio Cortez, etc? You know, characters that are a major part of the history of 40K? They just disappear?

Put it to bed. They have outright stated they will not phase the old Marines out and that there will be future releases for them. If they were going the way of the dodo, there would be no new Space Marine models.

They are going to go under the knife and be turned into numarines. On Robbie's tumblr "a-40k-author" he already hinted that Calgar will be getting the upgrade.

I wonder if we'll have Primarus landraiders, predators, whirlwinds etc. The old tanks look ok with the new models but their wargear might become out of date.

Yeah, and both Cypher and Voldus are the first examples of Primari...oh wait.

Just stop it. They have said they are not phasing them out and they will be releasing new Space Marine models that aren't Primaris classification.

This silly discussion can be put to bed.

melonmelon wrote:

Spoiler:

That last shot is hilarious. The MkIV marine looks like he's looking up to his big brother.

Caederes wrote:
Yeah, and both Cypher and Voldus are the first examples of Primari...oh wait.

Just stop it. They have said they are not phasing them out and they will be releasing new Space Marine models that aren't Primaris classification.

This silly discussion can be put to bed.

They also said a lot of thing about the End Times in Warhammer Fantasy and yet...

 Lockark wrote:


They are going to go under the knife and be turned into numarines. On Robbie's tumblr "1-40k-author" he already hinted that Calgar will be getting the upgrade.

Uh-huh. So those brand new plastic Cypher and Voldus models will be getting the Primaris upgrade too? Mmhmm. Sure.

So they're going to update Azrael, Tigurius, Telion, Logan Grimnar, Mephiston, the Sanguinor and all the various FW models too? I can totally see all of those guys as Primaris Marines! Or, I guess they can just all die, too. Yeah! Let's do that!

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:


They also said a lot of thing about the End Times in Warhammer Fantasy and yet...

Let me see, is the Warhammer 40,000 universe getting blown up and completely restarted from scratch? Let's not forget that Age of Sigmar was a product of WHFB being unprofitable, whereas 40K makes up for the vast majority of GW's total sales.
Give me the answer at your leisure.

 Therion wrote:
Sorry if it's been posted (just link me to the thread) but has any points costs been leaked? I'm curious what a squad of Plasma Marines (Primaris) costs, for example, or the standard squad of Plague Marines, or any other major units for comparison, like an Imperial Knight.

Rather important to get an idea what size tournament armies will be.

The 5 plasma marines are 200 points from what we've seen. The Gravis captain with fist and MC sword is 148 I think. Intercessors are 24 each, and the inceptors with twin assault bolters were 53 each.

Points look mostly in line with 7th edition +/- 5% or so, so I'd expect tournies to be in the 1500-2000 range going forward as well.

Caederes wrote:


People are just too quick to jump to a conclusion based on the worst possible scenario.

Or best! Imagine how happy my wallet would be when i literally couldn't buy new marine models anymore!

 Accolade wrote:

melonmelon wrote:

Spoiler:

That last shot is hilarious. The MkIV marine looks like he's looking up to his big brother.

So he does!

See now the older marines just look stubby and even cartoony compared to the new ones. And it's nice to see that all the chapters look good in primarus.

Caederes wrote:

 CragHack wrote:

In 40K, what possible fluff justification could they use to get rid of all the existing Space Marine models and characters?

Very simple: as numarines are superior to oldmarines in every way, there's no point in making oldmarines any more. Especially, when numarines can be bred faster. Let the oldmarines die out in time and be replenished with numarines.
Exactly, like you would restock any other product with a better, new and improved product.

Yeah, and what happens to Marneus Calgar, Commander Dante, Ragnar Blackmane, Cypher, Alessio Cortez, etc? You know, characters that are a major part of the history of 40K? They just disappear?

Put it to bed. They have outright stated they will not phase the old Marines out and that there will be future releases for them. If they were going the way of the dodo, there would be no new Space Marine models.

The same way they killed all WHF characters. The same way Graham McNeill managed to kill Forrix and blow up Dies Irae just in one sentence/paragraph. It's easy. They already know how to do it.

Tactical roles? Both shoot bolters - Numarines do it better. Both have jump pack units - Numarines still do it better. Both have 'heavy support' - Numarines still (almost, until they have their heavy weapon sets released) still do it better. And the now the new Dread.

I'm definitely not stating they WILL do this, but everything's possible. At least in my opinion.

Caederes wrote:

 Lockark wrote:


They are going to go under the knife and be turned into numarines. On Robbie's tumblr "1-40k-author" he already hinted that Calgar will be getting the upgrade.

Uh-huh. So those brand new plastic Cypher and Voldus models will be getting the Primaris upgrade too? Mmhmm. Sure.

So they're going to update Azrael, Tigurius, Telion, Logan Grimnar, Mephiston, the Sanguinor and all the various FW models too?

I'm just telling you, A Black Library Author has stated it's Cannon you can turn existing marines into Numarines. He straight up said to expect some characters to get the upgrade.

You don't have to like it, but they left the door open to phase out the old marines and still be able to take everyone's classic favourites with them into the numarines.

 Lockark wrote:

Caederes wrote:

 Lockark wrote:


They are going to go under the knife and be turned into numarines. On Robbie's tumblr "1-40k-author" he already hinted that Calgar will be getting the upgrade.

Uh-huh. So those brand new plastic Cypher and Voldus models will be getting the Primaris upgrade too? Mmhmm. Sure.

So they're going to update Azrael, Tigurius, Telion, Logan Grimnar, Mephiston, the Sanguinor and all the various FW models too?

I'm just telling you, A Black Library Author has stated it's Cannon you can turn existing marines into Numarines. He straight up said to expect some characters to get the upgrade.

That'll be pretty depressing for people who don't want to do mixed armies and see one of their favourite characters get a new model in Primaris scale with Mark X armour.

changemod wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

Caederes wrote:

 Lockark wrote:


They are going to go under the knife and be turned into numarines. On Robbie's tumblr "1-40k-author" he already hinted that Calgar will be getting the upgrade.

Uh-huh. So those brand new plastic Cypher and Voldus models will be getting the Primaris upgrade too? Mmhmm. Sure.

So they're going to update Azrael, Tigurius, Telion, Logan Grimnar, Mephiston, the Sanguinor and all the various FW models too?

I'm just telling you, A Black Library Author has stated it's Cannon you can turn existing marines into Numarines. He straight up said to expect some characters to get the upgrade.

That'll be pretty depressing for people who don't want to do mixed armies and see one of their favourite characters get a new model in Primaris scale with Mark X armour.

They'll either use their old model or get over it.