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The problem with firewarrior bubble wrap is it won't stop any unit that can fight twice from killing the firewarriors and just consolidate, pile in, consolidating to lock the next closest unit so you can't shoot them. Ok most of the big stuff has fly but appart from hopeing your firewarriors don't get locked in CC not realy seeing anyway to resist melee alpha strike armies apart from lots of points in egg men.
Outside of i think broadsides doesn't literally everything else have fly in your army meaning you can just leave combat and shoot anyway? edit nvm im bad at reading. though still how is this a problem?
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I was told and read online that pink horrors were garbage and totally nerfed in the daemon book
I was even asked at a tournament why I was even taking 60 of them until they ripped into the opponents chaff units with 180 range 18” st4 shots rerolling 1’s
Sound familiar?
Not only will fire warriors have the same at the same cost but will also be st5 and have greater range!
8th is all about numbers
If you’re playing an opponent with combat alpha strike then take the tau sept and see how they like Markerlights 180 shots hitting on 5+ and then photon grenades for that sweet -1 to hit in cc which everyone seems to forget!
Tau aren’t dead...
But they aren’t the same.
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I was told and read online that pink horrors were garbage and totally nerfed in the daemon book
I was even asked at a tournament why I was even taking 60 of them until they ripped into the opponents chaff units with 180 range 18” st4 shots rerolling 1’s
Sound familiar?
Not only will fire warriors have the same at the same cost but will also be st5 and have greater range!
8th is all about numbers
If you’re playing an opponent with combat alpha strike then take the tau sept and see how they like Markerlights 180 shots hitting on 5+ and then photon grenades for that sweet -1 to hit in cc which everyone seems to forget!
Tau aren’t dead...
But they aren’t the same.
I think a good % of the mad group may be due to them investing heavily into suits rather than base troops. especially since previous editions they were just meh.
I think someone else got whats bugging me right earlier, I just don't get the feeling of GW having a vision for what a TAU army is supposed to be now. Massed firewarriors just feels like guard but different. The big suits are in a wierd place of GW over nerfed them in the index to go look we made them so much better. But the codex feels like its suffering form GW lacking the design concept of the army so it's an odd mish mash of good and bad without design.
I realy hate egg men they look so stupid to me.
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There's been a lot of rudeness and off-topic posting on the past few pages.
Rule #1: Be Polite.
The codex isn't out yet, no one should be arguing. I've already seen people misread things that have been officially released, so save the speculative outrage for the actual codex release.
Further violations will results in moderator action.
via realmanig on Advanced Tau Tactica
relating to relics
From the grapvine(ie. not me):
T’au Sept – Commander can Jump, Shoot, Jump
Farsight – Fusion Gun, Fusion Blades in CC Bor’kan – Good plasma gun, I remember fixed damage 3, for S and AP Flamer Upgrade – S6, AP-1, 8″ auto hit
Onager Gauntlet – S10, AP -4, Damage D6 Airbursting Frag Launcher – S6 AP-1, D2, can shoot at targets out of LoS.
"Courage and Honour. I hear you murmur these words in the mist, in their wake I hear your hearts beat harder with false conviction seeking to convince yourselves that a brave death has meaning.
There is no courage to be found here my nephews, no honour to be had. Your souls will join the trillion others in the mist shrieking uselessly to eternity, weeping for the empire you could not save.
To the unfaithful, I bring holy plagues ripe with enlightenment. To the devout, I bring the blessing of immortality through the kiss of sacred rot.
And to you, new-born sons of Gulliman, to you flesh crafted puppets of a failing Imperium I bring the holiest gift of all.... Silence."
- Mortarion, The Death Lord, The Reaper of Men, Daemon Primarch of Nurgle
via realmanig on Advanced Tau Tactica
relating to relics
From the grapvine(ie. not me):
T’au Sept – Commander can Jump, Shoot, Jump
Farsight – Fusion Gun, Fusion Blades in CC Bor’kan – Good plasma gun, I remember fixed damage 3, for S and AP Flamer Upgrade – S6, AP-1, 8″ auto hit
Onager Gauntlet – S10, AP -4, Damage D6 Airbursting Frag Launcher – S6 AP-1, D2, can shoot at targets out of LoS.
Was there anything about any of the other codex?
(particularly Necrons)
Linked to GW France - apparently Brets were French inspired and it also makes mention of Sisters too
Semi-official teasing/hints?!
No. It's just a funny video from a shop's staff and players.
I know some of the people from the video, I'll ask them if I see one of them in the near future, but I'm positive the SoB mention is just trolling.
Is there a single person alive that knows who the Brets are that doesn't believe they were inspired by the french? I mean, it's not exactly obscure information!
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Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
via realmanig on Advanced Tau Tactica
relating to relics
From the grapvine(ie. not me):
T’au Sept – Commander can Jump, Shoot, Jump
Farsight – Fusion Gun, Fusion Blades in CC Bor’kan – Good plasma gun, I remember fixed damage 3, for S and AP Flamer Upgrade – S6, AP-1, 8″ auto hit
Onager Gauntlet – S10, AP -4, Damage D6 Airbursting Frag Launcher – S6 AP-1, D2, can shoot at targets out of LoS.
Was there anything about any of the other codex?
(particularly Necrons)
Us in ATT do not really care for anyone not Tau.
Even if there was info, it would probably not be in ATT.
can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now.
I was told and read online that pink horrors were garbage and totally nerfed in the daemon book
I was even asked at a tournament why I was even taking 60 of them until they ripped into the opponents chaff units with 180 range 18” st4 shots rerolling 1’s
Sound familiar?
Not only will fire warriors have the same at the same cost but will also be st5 and have greater range!
8th is all about numbers
If you’re playing an opponent with combat alpha strike then take the tau sept and see how they like Markerlights 180 shots hitting on 5+ and then photon grenades for that sweet -1 to hit in cc which everyone seems to forget!
Tau aren’t dead...
But they aren’t the same.
.
I think a good % of the mad group may be due to them investing heavily into suits rather than base troops. especially since previous editions they were just meh.
I'm going to be playing mostly suits but I'm certainly not mad. Riptide/Broadside/Ghostkeel buffs/ point reductions, Stormsurges Pulse Driver Cannon buff. Also excited about the FSE stratagem that gives Crisis suits +1 to hit after using Manta Strike (if it's indeed +1 to hit so I can safely overcharge CIBs and not just +1 BS). Pity that the Homing Beacon is most likely getting nerfed (was a nice niche for flamer Crisis suits and would've been an excellent way to make use of the FSE trait) and that Crisis suits haven't seen a minor point drop but eh, I'll live. Don't care about the 1 Commander per detachment thing either, I mean, they're supposed to COMMAND armies, as in there's only one or a few of them, not 10 that make up the army all by themselves. I'd rather have a few strong Commander suits than be able to spam a low of weaker ones (because let's face it, a nerf was necessary anyway).
Kirasu wrote: Is there a single person alive that knows who the Brets are that doesn't believe they were inspired by the french? I mean, it's not exactly obscure information!
Well, they occupied the rough geographical location of France on the old Warhammer map and some units had French-ish names (e.g. Trebuchet, but it was also called Trebuchet in non-french-speaking parts of Europe in the Middle Ages). A majority of inspiration for the army were actually King Arthur myths, if I am not mistaken. Grail Quest. Lady from the Lake. Etc.., etc.. Also Richard I. of England (e.g. Lionheart, though for some reason they french-ified it to Leoncoeur). It's a really odd army really .. inspired mostly by Medieval and Mythical England, but with french-ified names to fit it's location on a faux-fantasy-Europe map.
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I was told and read online that pink horrors were garbage and totally nerfed in the daemon book
I was even asked at a tournament why I was even taking 60 of them until they ripped into the opponents chaff units with 180 range 18” st4 shots rerolling 1’s
Sound familiar?
Not only will fire warriors have the same at the same cost but will also be st5 and have greater range!
8th is all about numbers
If you’re playing an opponent with combat alpha strike then take the tau sept and see how they like Markerlights 180 shots hitting on 5+ and then photon grenades for that sweet -1 to hit in cc which everyone seems to forget!
Tau aren’t dead...
But they aren’t the same.
.
I think a good % of the mad group may be due to them investing heavily into suits rather than base troops. especially since previous editions they were just meh.
I'm going to be playing mostly suits but I'm certainly not mad. Riptide/Broadside/Ghostkeel buffs/ point reductions, Stormsurges Pulse Driver Cannon buff. Also excited about the FSE stratagem that gives Crisis suits +1 to hit after using Manta Strike (if it's indeed +1 to hit so I can safely overcharge CIBs and not just +1 BS). Pity that the Homing Beacon is most likely getting nerfed (was a nice niche for flamer Crisis suits and would've been an excellent way to make use of the FSE trait) and that Crisis suits haven't seen a minor point drop but eh, I'll live. Don't care about the 1 Commander per detachment thing either, I mean, they're supposed to COMMAND armies, as in there's only one or a few of them, not 10 that make up the army all by themselves. I'd rather have a few strong Commander suits than be able to spam a low of weaker ones (because let's face it, a nerf was necessary anyway).
Is that because the units name is "commander"? Military ranks don't always map 1:1 to the definition of the specific word they happened to choose. We have 4x the # of Brigadier Generals than we have Brigades in the current US army and a captain in a company is very different than a captain at the Pentagon. In 40k terms, you could have a ton of SM captains despite having less than 1 battle company. It's pretty arbitrary to apply this restriction to Tau.
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Kirasu wrote: Is there a single person alive that knows who the Brets are that doesn't believe they were inspired by the french? I mean, it's not exactly obscure information!
Well, they occupied the rough geographical location of France on the old Warhammer map and some units had French-ish names (e.g. Trebuchet, but it was also called Trebuchet in non-french-speaking parts of Europe in the Middle Ages). A majority of inspiration for the army were actually King Arthur myths, if I am not mistaken. Grail Quest. Lady from the Lake. Etc.., etc.. Also Richard I. of England (e.g. Lionheart, though for some reason they french-ified it to Leoncoeur). It's a really odd army really .. inspired mostly by Medieval and Mythical England, but with french-ified names to fit it's location on a faux-fantasy-Europe map.
Which(Arthurian legends) in turn comes from French according to some. So more french ties.
Next youll tell me that Space Marines are from Starship Troopers (the books) and Navigators are from Dune!
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
So, judging by what I have seen so far, it is pretty disappointing that Crisis Suits are not that great. I still think suit armies will still be viable, but it seems like better options for suits still exist. Oh well. I still plan on getting a Commander and making him into a Coldstar. Or I might just get CharFarsight. I don't want a Tau force, but the stuff I want I want to make decently powerful, so that if I change my mind, I can use them and not feel dumb.
I'm sincerely hoping that the Onager gauntlet listed is a generic relic that you can take in addition to the Fusion Blade farsight relic.
I really want to have three close combat oriented suit commanders leading my FSE army. Awesome conversions ahoy!
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Crazyterran wrote: Next youll tell me that Space Marines are from Starship Troopers (the books) and Navigators are from Dune!
Nah. Space Marines are just a sci-fi port of GW's super-popular big, heavily armoured Chaos Warriors. Basically a lazy cross-game/setting copy-&-paste of their most popular miniature to prop up that ailing other game system they had going.
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