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Except of course for chaos in RT and Space Wolves in 2nd ed. The First! The Furry! get used to it!

Well Chaos was just marines with spikes. Hardly variant. I'd consider them the original converted army list or counts-as army list. Unlike furry marines or goth marines, they aren't cool enough to join the super variant list club.

But, I did forget the furry marines. I don't know if you could really give it the "best variant list" title since GW hasn't given them a recent WD list, though. They're just there by the roadside, hoping someone driving along will pick up some poor, hungry puppies.

jfrazell wrote:Except of course for chaos in RT and Space Wolves in 2nd ed. The First! The Furry! get used to it!

Space Wolves in RT, White Scars in RT Ultra-marines in RT, I could go on...

Maybe they'll bring in somebody that can actually win a battle report to replace him.

Well, the very first Codex was Space Wolves wasn't it? In fact, BA/DA got a Codex (with a capital "C") before Chaos did.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

jfrazell wrote:Except of course for chaos in RT and Space Wolves in 2nd ed. The First! The Furry! get used to it!

Give me back random roll Kustom Kombi weapons and Retribution of the Emperor templates that are a yard wide.

Ozymandias wrote:Well, the very first Codex was Space Wolves wasn't it? In fact, BA/DA got a Codex (with a capital "C") before Chaos did.

So? Emperor's Children had their own army list before there was even such a thing as a Codex (with a capital "C"). I don't understand your strange preoccupation with the chronology of codex releases (which didn't even begin until 2nd edition).

Sturmtruppe wrote:Maybe they'll bring in somebody that can actually win a battle report to replace him.

The latest UK WD indicates that Robin Cruddace has joined the design team. You can see some of his stuff here

Okay, so he can paint. But how is he at game design?

George Spiggott wrote:

jfrazell wrote:Except of course for chaos in RT and Space Wolves in 2nd ed. The First! The Furry! get used to it!

Space Wolves in RT, White Scars in RT Ultra-marines in RT, I could go on...

Did they have separate lists? The pups were the first marine variant codex in 2nd edition. Wolfguard Terminatorzzz HURR!!!

jfrazell wrote:Did they have separate lists? The pups were the first marine variant codex in 2nd edition. Wolfguard Terminatorzzz HURR!!!

Yes, the Space Wolves are in the book of the Astronomicon, there's a bunch of named characters (Commander Enoch, Captain Storm etc.) and variant squad types (Howlers, Snarlers, Tearers and Trackers). later on some Space Wolf characters (Ragnar & 'Nigel' Stormcaller IIRC) got rules for RT.

What are Wolfguard Terminators? They're not in the RT list; are they some sort of upgrade for the Bullock jet-cycle squads?

Cool I didn't know there were variants at all in RT. I thought RT was one big fuzzy d1000 variant list

Death By Monkeys wrote:Okay, so he can paint. But how is he at game design?

Well, he's got a PhD in Physics... Not sure whether that's good or bad, but its something!

So why is he screwing around as game designer? Is he like our McDonalds employees in the 80's all having geology degrees?

jfrazell wrote:So why is he screwing around as game designer? Is he like our McDonalds employees in the 80's all having geology degrees?

But they needed those as the McMuffinz in Egg McMuffins are made of potash feldspar.

Maybe he got a little tired of the whole physics thing. Maybe he made enough in his past career that now he doesn't NEED to work and works for GW for fun.

I don't know whether I'd sign up for a physics class if Dr. Thorpe taught it.

However, if this Dr. Thorpe taught the class, I might.

No one actually works for fun.

jfrazell wrote:No one actually works for fun.

Comedy gold!

jfrazell wrote:No one actually works for fun.

I disagree. When I was in training, in upstate New York, I knew this rich guy who sold hot-dogs from a hot dog stand for fun. Cool guy too.

Do you have proof he was rich?

I'll restate. Absent the occasional aberration, no one actually works for free. They may like what they do, they may take a pay cut to do that type of job, but if they are paid US$0 they are not going to come to work.

My copy of Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness has an Emperor's Children army list in it...

BYE

Scientists don't make a lot of money in the UK. It's one of the reasons we are no longer Top Nation.

They also don't work for free. I can't think of anyone outside of a charity context that works for free.

jfrazell wrote:They also don't work for free. I can't think of anyone outside of a charity context that works for free.

the employees that work for the charity don' t work for free either. only the volunteers do that. and usually they get some sort of "bonus" for their efforts. non-profit just means there is nothing made over expendatures. so salaries are included in that..

I meant volunteers, sorry.

For proof of his riches, all one had to do was notice the Jaguar he drove... and said same Jaguar being parked in front of the big fricken mansion on the way to work.

I agree, he was an aberration. He looked like Santa Clause, and always played him at Christmas time.

Gav designed the Harlequin codex that was quite good, but a bit imbalanced.

By the way, who is in charge of the 5th ed codex? I'd like to slap this guy...

Tetchy wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:Okay, so he can paint. But how is he at game design?

Well, he's got a PhD in Physics... Not sure whether that's good or bad, but its something!

Well at the very least that means that he has a knowledge of high school-level mathematics, which is apparently in short supply in the design studio.

Then again, I once took a physics class at an Ivy League university in which a full professor spent an entire lecture proving the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle only to find that when he got to the final expression at the end his inequality sign was facing the wrong way.

Maybe he uses the international / metric inequality sign?