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Andy C couldn't write rules either, he just had a better imagination than the rest of them, was extremely enthusiastic about everything, and came up with lots of great conceps (something GW is, historically, quite good at doing, yet they're terrible at executing these concepts). Without him, Sisters players would have joined the ranks of the Squat players (and, now, the LatD players as well) long ago.

Gav going... hmm... I can't imagine it having a big effect. I mean, he writes bad rules, but it's not like Jervis won't take his place there without too much trouble.

What happened to Andy H?

BYE

wasn't Gav the guy they only hired to be GWs scapegoat for everything?

I don't see it as rats fleeing a sinking ship. It's just turnover

you mean like they did in "at world's end"?

jeremycobert wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Gav gone? Ok!

Wasn't he responsible for the horror that is the Skaven army book?

horror ? what a ridiculous statement ! that book was brilliant ! 4 different clans to play, competative in tournaments for the power-gamers, yet you can still build balanced armies for the comp-queens and the fluff-nutters still had room to build their armies.

Yeah, sure you COULD do that...

You could also build one of the most over the top really not fun to play against SAFH too.

Seriously, you're telling me you haven't seen that monstrosity fielded?

Really?

But anyway, that was Alessio, not Gav, so, whatever.

thehod wrote:This best describes why Gav had to leave:


7) Does taking a Steam Tank down to half wounds net you half VP's for that model, or do you have to kill it outright to gain any VP's whatsoever? Is it a warmachine or a unit?

GAV
Warhammer, P102: Models that fight on their own and not in unitsK are worth half their points value in VPs if reduced to half their starting number of wounds or less. Thats crystal clear. Sorry, that was a bit of a waste of a question.

Yeah, he's a petulant kid, isn't he? I truly hope he doesn't pop up at one of the other gaming companies that I like.

Gitkika, thehod: I have to admit, that just sounds like Gav being British. They can be a bit blunt, and some can be a bit nasty just as a matter of course.

I will miss him like Craftworlds... NOT!!!

Well GW still has Andy Hoare who I believe has written some very solid codices such as both Ordo as well as the list for 13th Company. His army rules tend to be well thought out with a lot of character and are not typically over-powered (Tau is exception though IMO).

- G

Symbio Joe wrote:I will miss him like Craftworlds... NOT!!!

I happen to miss taking Dark Reapers as Troop, backed up by Wraithlords.

I just miss 3-shot Starcannons.

Gav the Noob leaving is a good thing for 40k, its about darn time that they started cutting the chaff.

He didn't even know how the rules tied into the game to write some of the foolishness that he did. I blame him for the current anarchy that 40K has become and I can say without a doubt that the game will improve now that this crumbsnatcher is gone.

Ask him how much of a good thing it was to gut the rules in 3d edition, bring in a 54MM miniature game that sucked that many eggs, and how he could justify changing the rules to fit the fluff in regards to the infamous Eldar / heavy weapon discussion.


I especially like Warseer trying to defend this tool. Good job Brimstone.


Make sure he changes the paint water one last time, that mutt.


Thank you for finishing off a great day

jfrazell wrote:Sorry if this has been discussed previously. Discussion on Warseer (confirmed by Brimstone) that he is leaving. No confirm on Alessio also leaving.

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128708&page=2


Brimstone:

Second yes Gav is leaving GW, he's put in a hell of a contribution both to Games Workshop and Warseer and I'm going to miss him.

I'm pretty sure Alessio is not leaving however.

No effects will be seen until at least the next edition. They already have new rules and a couple of codexes pretty much finished... so we'll have to wait for awhile for the last of Gav's influence to "pass" thru GW and onto paper...

I think there will be a pretty glaring change seen at the first codex that comes out that Gav didn't "contribute" too...

so now all we need is Jervis to retire, Alessio to be made redundant and Andy C to come back and I might care about 40k again...

grizgrin wrote:Gitkika, thehod: I have to admit, that just sounds like Gav being British. They can be a bit blunt, and some can be a bit nasty just as a matter of course.

Americans are fat and stupid.

Jazz-Two words-Nuclear ing Weapons. They win.


Lol

OT- Can only be a good thing if Gav leaves.

Grot 6 wrote:
I especially like Warseer trying to defend this tool. Good job Brimstone.

QFT!

Yep, warseer really has become almost as bad as the old GW community forums.

And British are slim and smart... just look at Austin Powers original teefus. Of course he was played the part by an American.

- G

Off topic- Mike Myers (Austin Powers actor) is Canadian.

On topic- Just read through warseer forums and the mods were warning people for saying that Gav leaving was a good thing for GW. Frankly I hope GW takes the opportunity to get some new blood and some better fiction writers.

Jazz: what, exactly, did you hope to accomplish with that comment? Please, do share.

returning a dig at the nationality that took a dig at his I'm guessing
play nice!

Well, I had some fun with the Chaos army books for 6th edition WHFB, but I have to say that I don't appreciate any of Gav's 40K offerings. You seem like a nice enough guy, Gav, but I won't be mourning your loss.

Its a mixed bag for me.

On the one hand, I think Gav isn't that great at writing rules, as we have all historically have seen.

But I really did like his fluff.
Its not the best written stuff in technical terms, but thats not the point. The point is that is was creative. Whether the creativity of his writing can be attributed to him or others is academic, but the point is that he is credited with writing some very good fluff.

The Thorian source book for the Inquisitor game has some quite outstanding background material. One of his best things.

The ironic part was is that he hates the term "fluff".

grizgrin wrote:Jazz: what, exactly, did you hope to accomplish with that comment? Please, do share.

He was pointing out the absurdity of categorizing all of a nation's people into a single stereotyped group.

Here I was thinking I was the only person who saw that...

BYE

yakface wrote:

grizgrin wrote:Jazz: what, exactly, did you hope to accomplish with that comment? Please, do share.

He was pointing out the absurdity of categorizing all of a nation's people into a single stereotyped group.

Stupid Americans need their smilies to get these jokes...

edit: dumb joke.

I wonder what his future plans are.

If we weren't all so fat, the smilies would actually work. :(

I wasn't going to post in this thread but for some stupid reason I clicked on the Warseer thread. OMFG there are some really asshats there that need to get a life. Normally I don't like nasty comments and try not to originate them, but the quote below deserves it

"This is sort of like Jesus leaving heaven. " Snurl @ warseer.

@ fullheadofhair- I agree with your exclamation.

That quote reeks of 'fanatcism ad nauseum'

Snurl seems to need a significant other, so they can curb his/her ridiculous statements....ie

"If you post that on the internet Snurl, you aren't getting any action----this year!"

Hellfury wrote:Its not the best written stuff in technical terms, but thats not the point. The point is that is was creative. Whether the creativity of his writing can be attributed to him or others is academic, but the point is that he is credited with writing some very good fluff.

I have to agree 100% with Hellfury here. While he might not be the most technically proficient writer when it comes to prose, so much of his stuff was just 'good fluff' and, most important of all, it was fun.

I even said this in my Chaos Codex Review:

I wrote:This section details Chaos quite nicely. It talks about the creation of the Chaos Gods, the essence of Chaos, and the Champions of the Chaos Gods. We may make fun of Gav for a lot of things, and lot of them are justified as well, but one thing I’ve always liked is his writing style. I loved his Last Chancers books and, although not high literature or art, they were fun. The fluff in this Codex is also fun.

Emphasis mine.

I've been reading through the Inquisitor stuff recently, and whilst as a game it fails in all the areas that matter, the sheer volume of interesting and useful background material is just staggering, and we should thank Gav Thorpe for that at the very least, even if we hate the rules he writes.

BYE

It's an odd thing that these guys have so many people keeping an eye on their comings and goings. I'm eyeing the market myself right now, but the forums will not light up with commentary if I do move jobs. Granted it's not as many people as watch Jason Kidd get traded to the Mavericks, but it's still a got to be a few hundred folks at least...

What makes it even stranger, is that a guy like Gav Thorpe basically has the same sort of salary range (I assume) as many folks on this board. I'm a software engineer, I'd actually be surprised if I don't make more than he does... So this guy changes jobs, probably because he wants a nicer flat (as the slim, intelligent Brits call them), or or maybe a new motor scooter, and we all comment on it, what a doucheball we think he was, or wasn't, etc. etc.

Funny thing, that...

Anyway, I don't want to be too hard on a guy that was a longtime contributor to a favorite hobby of mine, but I do have to say that I've considered him the primary offender at GW for some time.

That's not to say other guys don't have black marks on their records, they all do... Even Phil Kelly, who I consider their current star, still has the Falcon, the Dakkafex and the cocked up Shoota Nob Klaw rules to his name...

But Gav Thorpe was just constantly associated with crap. The Alaitoc Disruption Table, for me, is the best example of just how totally clueless he was. Maybe he also hatched some great fluff, and considering how critical the fluff is to 40K that might make him a critical employee, but if you chart all the datapoints of broken, crap, stupid and unfun rules, he's close to far more of those than anybody else, including Jervis, and that's saying something.

Hellfury wrote:Its a mixed bag for me.

On the one hand, I think Gav isn't that great at writing rules, as we have all historically have seen.

But I really did like his fluff.
Its not the best written stuff in technical terms, but thats not the point. The point is that is was creative. Whether the creativity of his writing can be attributed to him or others is academic, but the point is that he is credited with writing some very good fluff.

The Thorian source book for the Inquisitor game has some quite outstanding background material. One of his best things.

The ironic part was is that he hates the term "fluff".

That is kinda like saying I found a cubic zirconia after manually filtering through 10 metric tons of poo with my teeth. No thanks.