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B, obviously. I'm not going to be a dick about it, and I would always ensure that I brought whatever rules my army was using (and I'd expect the same in return).

But here's the thing:

I'd do that for anything. Doesn't matter if its an IA unit, a unit in a Codex I wasn't familiar with (I've never fought a Sisters or DE army, so I'd like to read through what they're doing first) or even a fething homebrew unit - I'd still look at it first.

I wouldn't stop them obviously, even if I did have concerns, because my opponent doesn't need my permission to field his unit ('cept maybe the homebrew one, but that's a slightly different issue so we'll ignore that), all he needs are the rules. And if he has the rules... well... they're the rules. I don't have to like it, but thems the breaks. We move on, we don't act like pansies (), and we play the game.

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Are you really arguing that tournament playing is some kind of higher form of the game from the silly little games people play outside them? Is that smug condescension a happy accident on your part, or did you actually intend to come across as a gigantic prick?

The argument presented has been that FW rules are official GW products and you absolutely MUST use them. They are not any more optional than any Codex. If that were actually true then GW would certainly allow their own MANDATORY rules to be used in the special tournament they run that is supposed to bring out the hardest, cheesiest lists with no regard to painting, sportsmanship or composition. But they don't. Those mandatory rules must not be as mandatory as some people think. This has nothing to do with tournaments being a higher form of play. It has to do with how GW chooses to use and enforce their own rules on their own turf.

Smug condescension is integral to the internet. Welcome aboard.

This:

If that were actually true then GW would certainly allow their own MANDATORY rules to be used in the special tournament they run

is bollocks. The selective application of the published rules by GW does not change those rules.

The Dreadnote wrote:bollocks. The selective application of the published rules by GW does not change those rules.

So we have no choice, but they do?

Everyone has choice. You're free to refuse to play an opponent because they want to use rules from IA; though what this says about you as a person is a different matter. In the same way, GW can choose to allow or disallow whatever they want in their tournaments. If they ran one where deepstriking was disallowed for whatever reason, that wouldn't make the deepstrike rules go away.

Just because a GW tournament does not allow IA rules, the clear and explicit information in IA2 allowing the use of IA rules in normal games without special permission does not suddenly disappear.

B for both polls, although the second one suffers from being extraordinarily poorly worded. I tell my opponent what's in my army, but I'm not going to change my list just because he doesn't like a unit. If he feels that strongly about Valkyries, Exterminators, Executioners, or Griffens... oh wait, those are all back in the codex now. Hmm, well, if he is opposed that strongly to Repressors, tough. I don't like Nob bikers, but I'm not going to pass on a game because of them.

Second poll is poorly worded and biased.

How would you word it?

Either you give your opponent a head's up and respect their right to say they don't want to play against something that's part of a supplement, or you do what you believe you have a right to do, regardless of how your opponent feels about it.

Major and important points to consider:

FW is GW and GW is FW as said adnauseum

IA is produced periodically and updated (towards GW Codex releases) on a spasmodic timeframe

GW Codex are scrambled as often as some change their underwear... we can't keep up, so there is no way that IA will be reprinted as often as a Codex is... so, often there is a discrepancy between rule sets as they rush to catch up. This is a financial ploy for GW... it would be too expensive to update everything at the same time

GW themselves tell gamers to talk among each other to settle any differences or misunderstandings prior to the game

They also say that the essence of the game is much more than the actual content... and above all, have fun

I have noticed that there are subtle differences in pro gamers attitudes to a game and it's rules... GW state that certain things are set in stone (as a guide) such as a Baneblade with a big gun is a "Baneblade" and with a small gun is a "Hellhammer" OR a Rhino with an Autocannon turret is a "Predator Destructor" while a twin Lascannon turret is a "Predator Annihilator"

But, an Ork Battlewaggon can select from a long list of weapons and armaments and is still called a "Battlewaggon"... because Ork diversity is the essence of the race

There can literally be not two Orks looking the same in an army (in every sense), whereas S Marines are all the same (except for posing)

Rules and legality is often discussed in the same way... some things are a fact and some things are in essence... get a grip mate, it's just a game of fun

Take a game of poker... not a chance in Hades of even starting to play until every player knows exactly what style / version / rules are involved…

IF you want it that way then speak up at the start, don’t worry about other players on the forums or relatives who play the game at home… stick with YOUR opponent and what YOU would do

Mik

I'm not sure how "B" works for the second poll.

What are you going to do, threaten them?

Orkeosaurus wrote:How do you know you use the 40k rulebook to play 40k?

Since no one else has, I just wanted to take this time to mention that this post a couple pages back made me literally laugh out loud.

Thanks Orkeosaurus. It was the most entertaining part of this thread so far.

I try.