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@ Shuma: Oh I know their are good songs outside of metal, Dope, Khorn, Kate Voegelle, Shinedown, their is alot of good music out there that isn't metal. The Offspring is pretty good.
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Albatross wrote:@Shuma - Just out of interest, do you like Blur?
No, and agree with the criticism of plastic beach (gorillaz new album) in that he didn't try hard enough to get collaborators and it ended up coming off as a bit of a classic blur album. Blurs lame.
Really? You think so? I would disagree with that in the strongest possible terms (the 'Blur being lame' thing). Have you heard '13'? It's awesome. Never been a fan of Gorillaz, sadly.
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Anyone remember them when they were Battleheart? (name pre-signing I think).
I actually prefer their mix/production on the pre-label demos they did.
The lead singer, Chris, used to also be in Splen, a sort of parody band. He was painted completely blue and played the keys. Check 'em out: http://www.splen.co.uk/
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On topic, Brokencyde are what's wrong with music.
I can't tell whether they're a self parody or not though.
Albatross wrote:@Shuma - Just out of interest, do you like Blur?
No, and agree with the criticism of plastic beach (gorillaz new album) in that he didn't try hard enough to get collaborators and it ended up coming off as a bit of a classic blur album. Blurs lame.
Really? You think so? I would disagree with that in the strongest possible terms (the 'Blur being lame' thing). Have you heard '13'? It's awesome. Never been a fan of Gorillaz, sadly.
Really? I find it very samey and poppy. Hes got a great voice but the insturmentalism and overarching sound is very simplistic and "pretty".
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Goliath wrote:If I mention that I like both Snow Patrol, some of Nickleback's older stuff, Blur AND Gorillaz...
Will I get shouted at?
Not as much as me, i like The Pet Shop boys.
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@Goliath: Not by me. I'm just not a huge fan myself. I find the "band with guitar as primary rhythm, verse verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus chorus and a singer who sounds like lots of other singers" genre to be a little tired. It's irritating on a personal level that just because someone can follow that formula that many people will rank them above another artist who is actually doing something different. That's not even to say I don't listen to stuff like that from time to time, it's just a preference issue.
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Goliath wrote:If I mention that I like both Snow Patrol, some of Nickleback's older stuff, Blur AND Gorillaz...
Will I get shouted at?
One of this bands is universally lauded as being incredible. The others are universally lauded as being awful!
What's with Dakkas hate on the gorillaz, though?
Speaking for all of Britain - which I do() - I would say that here, they are generally considered the inferior band to Blur. They really had a massive impact on the culture here. I can see why Americans in general would have a very hard time with them though - they ARE very British!
Shuma, I'm just gonna put 'Trimm Trabb' from '13' by Blur here. Just leaving it here. You don't have to listen to it.
Feel free to, though.
Incidentally, which do you prefer? At The Drive-in or The Mars Volta? Choose wisely.
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Listened to the song, and honestly all i heard here is a band that couldn't manage to be what radiohead became (instead breaking up until a bad idea reunion tour much later). It plays well, but the instrumentals are (by modern standards) uninventive, simplistic, and don't contribute to the laconic drawl of Albarns vocals for a good half of the song. The guitar deformation helps, but then they abandon a lot of it when the straight vocals come back in. The song parallels to Black star or creep (Radioheads first album was very heavily influenced by blur) but thats not a particularly endearing value. It's not a bad song, but it's not particularly inventive or original either. It just sort of floats along with peter gabriel and old u2 in the realm of "pretty but empty".
Became:
Blue became... Well, the same.
As for the difference between at the drive in or the mars volta to be honest I do prefer the mars volta. At the drive in was great, and it's a hard decision, but the mars voltas body of work fills my need for avant-garde virtuosity and dark themes better.
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That song is really, really minimalistic. Not really a good or bad thing but that sorta drowns out the rest of whatever it's trying achieve to me. I t feels kind of like a verse that never transitions into a chorus, just sort of drones on indefinitely with a completely unrelated cut to piano with an overly processed guitar running through a POD (and do I ever hate a digital effect tainting a guitar when superior analogs are available). The last guitarish bit sounded kinda grungy and, again, counter to whatever the song was trying to accomplish. It wasn't bad IMO, but it kinda felt like the song needed to be finished being written or only half the tracks were recorded. For curiosities sake, tell me what you enjoy about the song and I'll see if I can hear it. I love learning to appreciate different stuff
I like Hadouken! in a cheesy sorta way if you've ever heard of them.
Contrast that blur song against something Albarn produced years later, and you will see a significant difference in actual compositional and vocal skill. That and a good backing set of instrumentals.
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Ha, I only heard about Hadouken! off a Gaga forum because they made a statement bashing her. I find them to be entertaining in an over-the-top kind of way
@Shuma: I give the track you posted +50 points for the production quality alone over the other one. I'm still a little confused at what I'm supposed to be hearing though. I hear a layer or two of down-tempo instrumentals and beat that doesn't really push the song, just kind of nudges. The vocal just kind of blends in by not doing anything in particular. I don't understand what's supposed to be impressive about it really. It's kind of like a dying synthesizer reading his memoirs aloud. Could you explain what you like about it so that maybe I could hear it?
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Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Ha, I only heard about Hadouken! off a Gaga forum because they made a statement bashing her. I find them to be entertaining in an over-the-top kind of way
@Shuma: I give the track you posted +50 points for the production quality alone over the other one. I'm still a little confused at what I'm supposed to be hearing though. I hear a layer or two of down-tempo instrumentals and beat that doesn't really push the song, just kind of nudges. The vocal just kind of blends in by not doing anything in particular. I don't understand what's supposed to be impressive about it really. It's kind of like a dying synthesizer reading his memoirs aloud. Could you explain what you like about it so that maybe I could hear it?
Do you like downtempo and downbeat music music?
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I like some ambient-ish things like the odd Oasis song or down-tempo electronic stuff. If it makes any sense I think a lot of bluegrass or folk music shares a similar feel if a different genre and I enjoy it. There's even a few Velvet Underground songs that have a nice laid back vibe like that. I feel like all of the instrumentation in that song could have easily been done by a beginner so I'm failing to see the objectively good element in it, though I can see the skill put in the arrangement and production.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Ha, I only heard about Hadouken! off a Gaga forum because they made a statement bashing her. I find them to be entertaining in an over-the-top kind of way
@Shuma: I give the track you posted +50 points for the production quality alone over the other one. I'm still a little confused at what I'm supposed to be hearing though. I hear a layer or two of down-tempo instrumentals and beat that doesn't really push the song, just kind of nudges. The vocal just kind of blends in by not doing anything in particular. I don't understand what's supposed to be impressive about it really. It's kind of like a dying synthesizer reading his memoirs aloud. Could you explain what you like about it so that maybe I could hear it?
Do you like downtempo and downbeat music music?
No, he likes costumes!
Zzzzzzzing!
Just kidding, Cannerus!
The attempts at serious musical analysis are cute though, you two. Where to start?
Shuma wrote:The song parallels to Black star or creep (Radioheads first album was very heavily influenced by blur) but thats not a particularly endearing value.
'Trimm Trabb' bears absolutely no structural similarity to 'Black Star' or 'Creep' (which are on different albums, 'The Bends ' And Pablo Honey' respectively) - there is some superficial similarity rhythmically, but that is where any similarity ends really. I don't want to go too deep into the theory behind it, but a cursory examination shows it to be in A Phrygian, which is modal harmony. 'Creep' is in plain old G major (with the addition of a chromatic chord, C minor) as is Black Star - and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
'Creep' was written long before Blur were ever signed - the suggestion that Blur were a large influence on 'Pablo Honey' is frankly ludicrous. Blur's early '90s material was a mix of art-rock and Ray Davies, whereas Radiohead where more influenced by American bands. It's not too much of a stretch to say that they were more influenced by Grunge than they were by Blur! You really couldn't pick two more dissimilar albums than 'Pablo Honey' and 'Modern Life is Rubbish'.
Now if you'd have said Massive Attack - you may have had a point. It was around this time that Damon Albarn began to experiment with the types of sounds and effects that would lead to him starting Gorillaz, and stuff like that is a clear influence, in terms of the more 'Dub' pieces, anyway.
That song is really, really minimalistic. Not really a good or bad thing but that sorta drowns out the rest of whatever it's trying achieve to me. I t feels kind of like a verse that never transitions into a chorus, just sort of drones on indefinitely with a completely unrelated cut to piano with an overly processed guitar running through a POD (and do I ever hate a digital effect tainting a guitar when superior analogs are available).
It's all about the sound-world, babe. And if that's a POD....well, it isn't. Trust me. At least not on the Guitar.
And Coxon is Awesome.
But you know, whatever - like them, don't like them. I don't mind.
The pseudo-analytical stuff is hilarious though.
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Srsly though, I'm just calling it how I hear it, which isn't exactly how anyone else in the world hears it. Some people say a song is really emotional and others will say it sounds completely soulless. I do like knowing what other people are hearing so I can try to hear it too. I decided to listen to a bunch of older music a week and a half ago then advance through the ages and see if i pick up anything new in my rotation since I noticed a lot of what I listen to is from the past 10 years. I've recently gotten addicted to CCR's first album for some reason and the aforementioned Velvet Underground as well as The Hollies (one of the most underrated groups ever IMO). It's hard to explain why this stuff is really catching my ear now and it didn't with near the same capacity a few years earlier. I wish you guys were a little more descriptive about why you liked stuff
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:It's all about the vibes, man
Srsly though, I'm just calling it how I hear it, which isn't exactly how anyone else in the world hears it. Some people say a song is really emotional and others will say it sounds completely soulless.
Hey, we're sweet - no worries man. We've had similar discussions before - opinion is just that: opinion.
I do like knowing what other people are hearing so I can try to hear it too. I decided to listen to a bunch of older music a week and a half ago then advance through the ages and see if i pick up anything new in my rotation since I noticed a lot of what I listen to is from the past 10 years. I've recently gotten addicted to CCR's first album for some reason and the aforementioned Velvet Underground as well as The Hollies (one of the most underrated groups ever IMO). It's hard to explain why this stuff is really catching my ear now and it didn't with near the same capacity a few years earlier. I wish you guys were a little more descriptive about why you liked stuff
It's weird though! It's like when your missus asks you! What can you say apart from 'Just because'?
Here is another song, this time by Canadian DJ Deadmau5 (feat. Kaskade). I like it because I find the minimalism unsettling (which is partly why I like 'Trimm Trabb'), and the chords are really atmospheric. The movement is strange because some of the chords feature the 9th interval, which creates slight dissonance and makes for a tense feel. The chords are awesome when they come in, in the most literal sense of the word. I also love the vocal melody - I bet it's modal, but I haven't had time to work it out...
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'Trimm Trabb' bears absolutely no structural similarity to 'Black Star' or 'Creep' (which are on different albums, 'The Bends ' And Pablo Honey' respectively) - there is some superficial similarity rhythmically, but that is where any similarity ends really. I don't want to go too deep into the theory behind it, but a cursory examination shows it to be in A Phrygian, which is modal harmony. 'Creep' is in plain old G major (with the addition of a chromatic chord, C minor) as is Black Star - and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Psychology doesn't respect musical structure and they "sound" quite similar. Pablo honey and creep are also radioheads first two albums and both were in the same scene as (and heavily influenced by (though I suppose indirectly)) blur until they broke out.
'Creep' was written long before Blur were ever signed - the suggestion that Blur were a large influence on 'Pablo Honey' is frankly ludicrous. Blur's early '90s material was a mix of art-rock and Ray Davies, whereas Radiohead where more influenced by American bands. It's not too much of a stretch to say that they were more influenced by Grunge than they were by Blur! You really couldn't pick two more dissimilar albums than 'Pablo Honey' and 'Modern Life is Rubbish'.
Blur was signed in 1991. Radiohead 1993. Black star (on the bends) was released in 1995, two years after modern life, but the temporality is an aside. You're right in stating that they were not directly influenced by them. They were certainly influenced by the environment that both bands were founded in however, and much like the big four grunge bands are founded within the "Seatle sound" radiohead and blur both draw their roots from the contemporary britrock that blur helped found. kind of like how puddle of mud and nickleback sounded exactly the fething same, despite being (supposedly) different bands.
My point was that radiohead evolved since then, quite a bit so and became something generations will enjoy. Blur remained exactly the same.
Now if you'd have said Massive Attack - you may have had a point. It was around this time that Damon Albarn began to experiment with the types of sounds and effects that would lead to him starting Gorillaz, and stuff like that is a clear influence, in terms of the more 'Dub' pieces, anyway.
He actually worked with massive attack a bit as collaboration in the gorillaz too. That said, blur was not influenced by massive attack (nor was radiohead) and gorillaz has so many influences it's almost pointless to discuss them all.
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