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So would you say Tik Tok is primarily marketed towards men?
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
This woman is awesome: I knew her back in the Halifax days. Actually it's kind of weird how many people I knew from back in the day that actually made it:
I hate 99% of music on MTV and other music channels but I'm glad people are allowed to write those songs and make those videos.
Freedom of expression is one of the most important freedoms we can ever know.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
Bangs, from my very own city of Melbourne. I'm just going to leave this here...
You brighten my life like a polystyrene hat, but it melts in the sun like a life without love, and I've waited for you so I'll keep holding on without you.
"There's nothing cooler than being proud of the things that you love" - Sean Plott
Were you around in the 90's? Music was exactly the same then. 80's too. 70's also. It's amazing how music has been getting "worse" for 40 years.
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garret wrote:Those songs are about getting drunk and having sex. and treating women like objects. Acording to some people who went to junior prom at my school the place was filled with songs like that. Why would the school even consent to that. What does dakka think?
The sentence itself sounds like what the average male's fantasize about doesnt it? Thats what makes those songs appealing, its singing out their fantasies.
Now days everything we want are in excess , excess violence, blood and gore and sex. Geez we'll spawn Slanesh pretty soon like this...
You might want to watch out about how you use the word average, and "these days" is meaningless. Ozzy used to bite heads off of chickens in concert and reign in blood came out when I was like six.
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You know, I'm starting to think the whole. "Back in the good old days" is really just a reason to not think about how fethed up stuff is today. Which granted is not bad at all. But people in the past all had problems just different ones depending on how far back you go.
I've sold so many armies. :(
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Shadowbrand wrote:You know, I'm starting to think the whole. "Back in the good old days" is really just a reason to not think about how fethed up stuff is today. Which granted is not bad at all. But people in the past all had problems just different ones depending on how far back you go.
There is no "back in the good old days" people just like to romantisize their youths. Music has gotten better in the last fifty years, the world has gotten better in the last fifty years. Things usually are getting better. But people get old as they get old, and when your old new things suck.
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Shadowbrand wrote:You know, I'm starting to think the whole. "Back in the good old days" is really just a reason to not think about how fethed up stuff is today. Which granted is not bad at all. But people in the past all had problems just different ones depending on how far back you go.
There is no "back in the good old days" people just like to romantisize their youths. Music has gotten better in the last fifty years, the world has gotten better in the last fifty years. Things usually are getting better. But people get old as they get old, and when your old new things suck.
So, what you are saying is that nobody really liked their past. They really like what is going on now more than what was going on back when they were young?
Country sure as hell hasn't gotten better. I like SOME new artists but none can still compare to 50's, 60's and 70's country.
Rock hasn't gotten any better. Not many acts come out in 20 years that can top Led Zeppelin, The Doors, The Who, Pink Floyd.
Sure it's a matter of opinion and perhaps to you Shuma music is better but IMO it's not. That is something I know you can't say I'm wrong about. Ha.
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“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
Umm. Most new school hip-hop/rap sucks. It's just beats with no actual meaning or poetry.
At least Tupac could put lyrics, that while no Shakespeare, at least made rap into something more than just beats and stolen hooks.
Don't hate all rappers but 2 icons of rap, Tupac and Notorious (God Bless them) set the bar and none have come even close yet. I like Dre and Snoop but they still don't hold a candle to Tupac or Notorious.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
Country sure as hell hasn't gotten better. I like SOME new artists but none can still compare to 50's, 60's and 70's country.
Rock hasn't gotten any better. Not many acts come out in 20 years that can top Led Zeppelin, The Doors, The Who, Pink Floyd.
Sure it's a matter of opinion and perhaps to you Shuma music is better but IMO it's not. That is something I know you can't say I'm wrong about. Ha.
I'll agree that country has gotten worse, but keep in mind that country and western is a new genre. It used to just be rock before. Pink floyed also wasn't rock, it was psychadellic (it's still not rock). I disagree about the doors though, there have been hundreds of acts that have outdone the doors. Same with the who. Both were great, but they were hardly in the same category as pink floyd (who are still the masters of their game).
He's saying RNB/RAP artist number Y is better then anything we made in the last 40 years. Right?
Also, 90's music, though horribad too, was at least funny.
Rap basically had it's start in the 80's and new rap is a hell of a lot better than old rap. Public enemy and NWA were good for the times, but they don't hold much of a candle compared to what del the funkee homosapian or nujabes could lay down. Hell, even wu-tang did it's best stuff later.
Don't hate all rappers but 2 icons of rap, Tupac and Notorious (God Bless them) set the bar and none have come even close yet. I like Dre and Snoop but they still don't hold a candle to Tupac or Notorious.
You should probably stop listening to dre and snoop then. Both suck. Tupac was alright, biggee wasn't really anything major. He just just died and got martyred into a west/east cost movement.
There are better contemporary rappers.
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At least we somewhat agree on Tupac (ugh, I think I'm gonna be ill).
Lots of rap acts in the past 5 years are just garbage. Just some black dude wanting to make an easy dollar by pumping bass through speakers.
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“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
At least we somewhat agree on Tupac (ugh, I think I'm gonna be ill).
Lots of rap acts in the past 5 years are just garbage. Just some black dude wanting to make an easy dollar by pumping bass through speakers.
Lots of rap acts in the 90s and 80s were garbage too. Just some black dudes wanting to make an easy dollar by pumping bass through speakers. That hasn't changed. Do you like any rap thats contemporary besides major label artists like dre or snoop?
Also as an aside, del isn't in the gorillaz. The gorillaz is basically just danial abarn and whatever artists he scrounges together. Hating the gorillaz implies that you hate dre and snoop as they are both collaborators with the "gorillaz".
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Forgettable music gets forgotten. New forgettable music gets produced. We've forgotten the
old forgettable music, and so we assume that music has gotten worse.
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I'll agree that country has gotten worse, but keep in mind that country and western is a new genre. It used to just be rock before. Pink floyed also wasn't rock, it was psychadellic (it's still not rock). I disagree about the doors though, there have been hundreds of acts that have outdone the doors. Same with the who. Both were great, but they were hardly in the same category as pink floyd (who are still the masters of their game).
Actually, Pink Floyd are considered either Psychedelic Rock or Progressive Rock. Which is a sub-genre of rock obviously. Also, Rock and Country have been considered under different genres for a very long time. Ever since Bob Dylan went electric really. Rock was considered for the longest time (still is considered by some) a sub genre of the Blues.
Either way, whether music has gotten better or worse in your opinion over the last few decades. A lot of people consider "the good old days" to be better because they have the opinion that it is better. Mostly because they probably own all the music from "the good old days" and listen to it regularly over any new music that comes out now.
Music technology and recording has obviously gotten better over the years, but you cannot argue that quality of the music itself has gotten better. Opinions are opinions friend.
I'm not a big fan of rap honestly. I like Tupac, Notorious, Snoop and Dre and Eminem.
My last gf tried to get me to listen to Flo-Rida and TI but that gak hurt my ears. No substance, just beats.
If I want to just listen to lots of bass to catchy beats I'll switch the XM to trance/house/techno or dance. If I want bleeding ears I'll crank up my metal to ridiculous volumes.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
malfred wrote:So we've boiled this discussion down to:
Forgettable music gets forgotten. New forgettable music gets produced. We've forgotten the old forgettable music, and so we assume that music has gotten worse.
Essentially.
Actually, Pink Floyd are considered either Psychedelic Rock or Progressive Rock. Which is a sub-genre of rock obviously. Also, Rock and Country have been considered under different genres for a very long time. Ever since Bob Dylan went electric really. Rock was considered for the longest time (still is considered by some) a sub genre of the Blues.
Either way, whether music has gotten better or worse in your opinion over the last few decades. A lot of people consider "the good old days" to be better because they have the opinion that it is better. Mostly because they probably own all the music from "the good old days" and listen to it regularly over any new music that comes out now.
Music technology and recording has obviously gotten better over the years, but you cannot argue that quality of the music itself has gotten better. Opinions are opinions friend.
Good point on music terminologies, though isn't prog rock a fairly new invention? I'm certain that during their time many would not have considered artists like pink floyed or king crimson to be rock. Music terminologies are black forests of confliction and fandom, we should probably abandon any argument pertaining to them early. Nothing good ever really comes from them.
I would argue that the prevalence of foreign influences and the sheer increase in artists worldwide (accompanying globalization and the modernization of many countries) that music has to have gotten better by default. More people working on making music means that by volume more of them will be good. Then by volume more of them will be great.
I'm not a big fan of rap honestly. I like Tupac, Notorious, Snoop and Dre and Eminem.
What did you think of the first youtube vid I posted. "feathers".
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ShumaGorath wrote:I would argue that the prevalence of foreign influences and the sheer increase in artists worldwide (accompanying globalization and the modernization of many countries) that music has to have gotten better by default. More people working on making music means that by volume more of them will be good. Then by volume more of them will be great.
If you are going to argue that with more artists worldwide, the amount of good music would increase, you would also have to factor in that the amount of crappy music would also increase.
ShumaGorath wrote:I would argue that the prevalence of foreign influences and the sheer increase in artists worldwide (accompanying globalization and the modernization of many countries) that music has to have gotten better by default. More people working on making music means that by volume more of them will be good. Then by volume more of them will be great.
If you are going to argue that with more artists worldwide, the amount of good music would increase, you would also have to factor in that the amount of crappy music would also increase.
True! But I personally would rate musical quality by the number of good artists, it's easy to find good music when there are a lot of good artists and bad artists, it's harder when there are few in both camps. A bigger pyramid has a higher top.
The rap scene more than many others suffers under its label artists. There are an incredible number of good rappers, but the monolithic status of the bigs like 50 and snoop make it very difficult for them to break out meaning that the crappier R&B artists tend to filter through and move into rap (hence it's movement towards dance beats and lyrical tripe).
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Sure some will think Em is just drivel but under all his gay bashing and anti-women rhetoric (which he doesn't actually believe) his songs have messages.
I like a lot of mainstream music but most of the metal I like is non-mainstream; most dance/techno/rave is not exactly "major record label". In fact, is any of it really mainstream other than maybe Moby?
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“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
Shuma wrote:Good point on music terminologies, though isn't prog rock a fairly new invention? I'm certain that during their time many would not have considered artists like pink floyed or king crimson to be rock. Music terminologies are black forests of confliction and fandom, we should probably abandon any argument pertaining to them early. Nothing good ever really comes from them.
Hey, you could always just talk to me. The term 'Progressive Rock' came to popularity in the late 60s, and was used to describe rock and roll music that sought to include influences outside of the standard blues scale material/accompaniment. The Beatles were considered by some to be progressive rock in their late period, but naturally there IS some crossover in terms of what constitutes progressive rock, and what constitutes psychadelic rock - but as you rightly pointed out, that is the realm of fandom. Such is the nature of discourse in this area. I think the most accurate appraisal would be to say that psychadelic rock was still heavily reliant on blues scale material and traditional rock and roll band instrumentation - as the focus begins to shift towards alternative instrumentation and scale material a new, 'progressive' rock music begins to take shape. It's an evolution - these things are rarely delineated clearly. King Crimson and Pink Floyd were definitely considered progressive rock bands in their time, although Barrett-era Floyd (i.e Piper At The Gates of Dawn) is one of those 'evolution' records that is hard to define. So why bother?
As for 'Country and Western', that term was cooked up by record executives to replace a term they had used earlier to describe rural American music - namely, 'Hillbilly Music'. Off the top of my head, I think it began being used in the 20s or 30s. Jimmy Rodgers is widely considered to be the first C&W 'star', in fact he was one of the first 'true' pop stars.
Back on topic, modern pop music is not great, but study popular music for any length of time and tell me there was a period in which all artists were! Even in the 60s and 70s there was a lot of gak. Anyone who needs proof that modern popular music hasn't got the monopoly on being crap need look no further than this little, ahem, 'gem':
NOT. SAFE. FOR. WORK. I would also recommend headphones.
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