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Personally I find the Traitors to be kinda overall pathetic. Especially Horus. I mean goddamn Horus is the wimpiest pansy that ever pansied-- he starts a civil war because, effectively, he's being a whiny rebellious teenager. The entire Horus Heresy, from his point of view, is a violent hissy fit over the Emperor not giving him enough hugs. It just... makes me want to stab him in the face. Repeatedly. With an axe. Which is made of fire.

I suppose I'll produce my own whenever I hit 3k, it should be amusing.

Melissia wrote:stab
With an axe

That takes some talent.

Melissia wrote:It just... makes me want to stab him in the face. Repeatedly. With an axe. Which is made of fire.

And It's comments like this which make Melissia my favourite Dakkite .

Also, The World eaters Legion would like to issue a statement:


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Melissia wrote:Personally I find the Traitors to be kinda overall pathetic. Especially Horus. I mean goddamn Horus is the wimpiest pansy that ever pansied-- he starts a civil war because, effectively, he's being a whiny rebellious teenager. The entire Horus Heresy, from his point of view, is a violent hissy fit over the Emperor not giving him enough hugs. It just... makes me want to stab him in the face. Repeatedly. With an axe. Which is made of fire.

I suppose I'll produce my own whenever I hit 3k, it should be amusing.

Except for the part where he had a group of malevolent religious fanatics whispering in his ear about the allure of Chaos. It was hardly because he was being a "rebellious teenager", it was because Erebus and company made up a bunch of bullgak that caused Horus to feel betrayed by the man he once called his father. He didn't just decide out of the blue one day "Daddy doesn't love me I'm going to rebel! BAWWWWW!", the Word Bearers had been planting seeds of deceit and treachery for a very, very long time. Those seeds eventually sprouted when Horus gave in to the lies he had been fed. From his point of view (and anyone's in his position), he had every reason to be pissed off at daddy. The only reason he had that view was because his mind had been warped by the whispers of Chaos.

So how the guy who sent the Galaxy into a state of turmoil the likes of which it has never seen before (or since), nearly killed the Emperor, and effectively released Chaos as a major threat to the Imperium is a "pansy", is beyond me.

It may have taken him a bit of time to come to the conclusion, but he still essentially started a war because he didn't get enough hugs.

You're not gonna get me to like him. He's entirely unlikeable, and I just don't empathize with him at all, not even as a villain. Mortarion, sure. Magnus, sure. Hell, even Angron, for all his one-sidedness. But Horus? I can't respect him.

Melissia wrote:It may have taken him a bit of time to come to the conclusion, but he still essentially started a war because he didn't get enough hugs.

And he felt that everything he had been told, everything he had stood for, and everything he fought for, was a lie created by the most important and influential figure in his life. People tend to get a bit pissy when that happens.


Not saying you have to like him. But to brush him off as a "pansy" and say his only motivation was him being a "whiny rebellious teenager" is unrealistic. Regardless of whether he's likeable, he's still one of the most influential figures in the 40k universe.

Thank you Fauntleroy for the list. I suppose I could have looked up everyone on Wiki but I didn't think it would take much effort for someone in the know to make the list. Since I asked twice I'll thank you again as well.

I have to agree with Melissia here, the motivations of the Traitors so far?

Really weak.

Basically duped/deceived/tricked into, for all intents and purposes, ruining the Imperium and dooming humanity to eventual destruction.

All because of... what exactly?

Leo_the_Rat wrote:Thank you Fauntleroy for the list. I suppose I could have looked up everyone on Wiki but I didn't think it would take much effort for someone in the know to make the list. Since I asked twice I'll thank you again as well.

'Tis not a problem, anything to put my mind of the growing paranoia that soon I'll have to do another of these threads ...

Alpharius wrote:I have to agree with Melissia here, the motivations of the Traitors so far?

Really weak.

Basically duped/deceived/tricked into, for all intents and purposes, ruining the Imperium and dooming humanity to eventual destruction.

All because of... what exactly?

I believe the reason that was given at the meeting was "Lulz".

And clearly, this is one man's opinion, yes?

One talented man that is making us laugh, but one man nonetheless!

Also, be sure to check this thread for more good times:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/313389.page

Uh, Alph? Was that directed at me? Or indeed, anyone?

/Comprehension fail.

It wasn't intended to be provocative - I was just stating the obvious - that this is Just Dave's list, his opinion.

I wouldn't get too worked up over the ranking and/or descriptions of any of the Primarchs!

Little Toy Soldiers after all.

Sanctjud wrote:Little Toy Soldiers after all.

Don't be ridiculous, my little toy soldiers are obviously at least seventeen times more serious than your little toy soldiers.

Mine are 69 times more sexier, and that's what counts. :p

Just Dave wrote:
Then there's the problem of him and Luther, it shouldn't take a genius to realise Luther's jealousy and potential threat to the Legion. Maybe Lion should've removed Luther from power long before he became a problem. Luther himself should've also grown a pair IMO, he's the son of the Emperor; realise your superiors. When Luther barely stopped Jonson being nuked in orbit should have been enough of a sign for Jonson, but instead you send him back to look over 1/2 the Legion?! Maybe I'm just cold-hearted, I don't know, I just think him and Luther are as bad as each other - pretty bad!
And Jonson also stormed out in a strop after his fight with Russ (who himself, was in the wrong IMHO) and then gave him the silent treatment?!

I apologise to all those who understandably like The Lion, but beneath his rock-hard, uber-cool exterior, he really, really needs to grow up.

i really like luther thou, i agree about the lion, but something interesting lies within the whole ordeal between luther and the lion near the end where it seems that luther is defending the planet and being the good guys, i dunno i found luther to be interesting and the lion to be a bby.

Alpharius wrote:I have to agree with Melissia here, the motivations of the Traitors so far?

Really weak.

Basically duped/deceived/tricked into, for all intents and purposes, ruining the Imperium and dooming humanity to eventual destruction.

All because of... what exactly?

Found this list late but its good so far. And yes all of the Traitor Primarchs acted like immature teenagers. As much as I hate to admit it the only traitor that might have had a compelling reason for treason was Alpharius Omegon.

Melissia wrote:Personally I find the Traitors to be kinda overall pathetic. Especially Horus. I mean goddamn Horus is the wimpiest pansy that ever pansied-- he starts a civil war because, effectively, he's being a whiny rebellious teenager. The entire Horus Heresy, from his point of view, is a violent hissy fit over the Emperor not giving him enough hugs. It just... makes me want to stab him in the face. Repeatedly. With an axe. Which is made of fire.

I suppose I'll produce my own whenever I hit 3k, it should be amusing.

Replace the word "Horus" with "Lorgar" and I agree 100%

Melissia... somehow I now have the urge to find a way to forge a single handed axe with a buil-it small flamer and send it to you xD

I've got one, home made and it's an axe taped to a mini flame thrower i got out of a SOF magazine that actually works.

you can make a homemade one out of a Lighter and a can of ax.

Gitsplitta wrote:Hey! We've just about made it to the "Top 10"... Is this the point where David Letterman takes over the thread?

I hope not, his lists are boring.

I hope that the next one is Sanguinius. I mean, his name is almost more lame than Angron the Angry.

A guy that likes blood, gets named ''Bloodius''. WOW.

As opposed to Mortarion, the son of a necromancer?

I could totally see Horus flipping out when he is confronted by the Lectitio Divinatus, especially with the Word Bearers all up in his inner councils n' whatnot. I would also contend that at least Magnus would break from the "immature teenager" mold. I mean, you screw up and all of a sudden you have the Space Wolves annihilating you? And even after you admit you were wrong, your freaking Brother still does his level best to kill you and wipe out your planet? Plus Ferrus Manus matches any of the traitor primarchs for immature teen syndrome

Melissia wrote:As opposed to Mortarion, the son of a necromancer?

See? Another GW character name fubar. So, we have the following:

Angron the Angry

Sanguinius the Vamp

and

Mortarion, who is supposed to be the embodiement of death.



Just....no.

Darth Bob wrote:I agree, and I respect your opinion and your right to express it. I wasn't being sarcastic, I really am excited to see your reasoning behind Corax and Kurze in the top 10. However, I've gotta ask, why is Lorgar so low on the list? I'd think he minimally beats Khan for a spot in the top 10.

Edit: Also, I highly doubt Mortarion and company has killed more people than Angron and company. During the Dominion of Fire, he killed over 70 sectors worth of Imperial citizens. That alone is a crapload of people.

Oh yeah, as I equally respect yours. I look forward to your response to Corax and Kurze, however right now I can't say too much so I don't give it away...

As for Mortarion, IMHO the plague (zombies!) is why he's killed more than Angron I expect. Typhus particularly has been spreading that stuff like it was good news! My thinking is that with the Plague and Zombies, the effects of the Death Guard will spread and spread further and further, whereas the effects of the World Eaters are limited to specific areas and contained...

SaintHazard wrote:

Melissia wrote:stab
With an axe

That takes some talent.

Prod?

Alpharius wrote:And clearly, this is one man's opinion, yes?

One talented man that is making us laugh, but one man nonetheless!

Also, be sure to check this thread for more good times:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/313389.page

Thanks Alph! my pleasure! And yeah, i think that thread was pretty good. a helluva 1st post!

Ediin wrote:

Melissia wrote:As opposed to Mortarion, the son of a necromancer?

See? Another GW character name fubar. So, we have the following:

Angron the Angry

Sanguinius the Vamp

and

Mortarion, who is supposed to be the embodiment of death.

The Emperor the Emperor?
Oh...

Also Ferrus Manus, with his manus ferrus.

Emperor the False... obviously.
Death to the False Emperor!!

Got a great mental image the other day, during the Great Crusade:

Y'know Monthy Python and the Holy Grail?

"It is I, The Emperor, ruler of all Mankind!"

"Who are the Mankind?"

"We all are, and I am your Emperor!"

"Well I didn't vote for you."

Nice! Very Nice.

Then they discuss the advantages of carrying coconuts etc?