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Thats a good place for the big smurf.

I'm liking this list so far. While normally I don't dig on random e-hate, this has some style to it. Enjoying it immensely.

And so far finding it hard to argue with most of your decisions. I don't think I'd have stuck Gulliman so low, but I am waiting to see what your reasons are. And every time since the 17th I have expected the next entry to be Sanguinius. I am expecting some seriously good reasoning to place him higher than some of those Primarchs already mentioned.

Well, to be fair, Sanguinius is kinda cool. His unbelievable devotion to the Emperor ensured that he knowingly killed himself to help the Emperor.

In other news, I thought the Ultramarine color scheme was kinda cool....

I'm going to have to vote Horus as next up. That or Dorn

no way man, Dorn is awsome.


Horus should be next.

I predict that Vulkan will be next.

............Girlyman is better than Russ? Geez.

I love this thread <3

Rowboat Girlyman has no picture to go with it?
Or is work blocking it? :-(

There's a picture. I'm assuming it's your work.

There should be picture there, of Rowboat pulling a very "duhhhhhhh" face...


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11th: Lucky to have made it this far...

Yep, at number 11 it's the godfather of soul. As in, "I just sold your soul to Chaos!"

Now as someone has already noted, I'm a nice guy and not usually a fan of the evil nut-cases that seem to be everywhere. However, not quite everyone is as evil or manipulative of Lorgar.

I admit, I'm not a fan of religion and I feel that Lorgar's a bit... weak or easily influenced (think Fulgrim/sword). Let me put it like this; he was all over the Emperor like a cheap coat, proclaiming him to be a god and all that jazz. Then the Emperor (his daddy) gives him a slap on the wrist and tells him to stop, so what does Lorgar do? He doesn't just stop worshipping the Emperor, he starts worshipping the Chaos freakin' gods!! So he's still being all religious, but now to the Emperor's worst enemies! Daddy said no, not "go see the people that want me and the human race dead/enslaved and look up to them instead." All you had to do was stop, not throw some uber-tantrum and cause half the human race to go crazy or dead!
Similarly, Lorgar is turned to Chaos through a couple of his lieutenants, I would much rather it was Lorgar that turned his own Legion to chaos, not the other way around!
Also, the manipulative kind of evil is the sort no-one likes. When a psychopath gets his hands dirty; that's cool (for a psychopath! I don't endorse killing!). However, when you sit back and get someone else to do it, that's not so cool.

However, Lorgar is just pretty damn evil. In a good/actually having some substance/reasoning way, not like Angron! I mean, he turns half his brother's to Chaos and burns half the Imperium; that's not an amateur job! There's cruddy evil (Angron), get-your-hands-dirty-cool-evil and then there's evil evil. Lorgar is the evil evil variety. He's evil, but he makes others evil and is very good at what he does! I admit, I don't think Horus could've won, but hell, they made a pretty damn good job of it!
Angron's just like a pawn of Lorgar/Chaos, Lorgar is more of a bishop (pun intended).
So yeah, whilst I dislike evil and the Chaos gods as a whole, I do kind of like the extent to which Lorgar is a psycho and how it was largely him that caused the Horus Heresy - a freakin' great plot line!

Also...
is it just me or does he look like an angry Milky Way Magic Star?


So for being a bit weak and a fool, yet utterly evil, It's Lorgar. Also, Magic Stars are THE BEST!

Next one is Dorn. Probably.

And I hate Lorgar.

Hey! We've just about made it to the "Top 10"... Is this the point where David Letterman takes over the thread?

We're now into the top ten (Gitspliitta). The remaining Primarchs, in loyalist/traitor order are: Corax, Dorn, Khan, Sanguinus, Vulkan, Alpharius/Omegon, Horus, Kurze, Magnus, Mortarion.
An exact fifty/fifty split it seems. Oh wait...


We're now descending into a list of Primarch's I actually have more respect than hatred for, so the 'humour' may decrease.
Even so, the 'humour' is bound to decrease with Vulkan, a no-nonsense kind of guy that I don't know enough about to mock...

10th: I'm a Fire Starter, Twisted Fire Starter.

In at number 10, it's Vulkan!

Obviously, for political correctness Vulkan had to be in the top ten! However I do admit I quite like the big guy. I mean, he plays with fire. He plays with FIRE! Flames! He burns s**t! What kind of slightly twisted man doesn't like that?! But if that's not cool enough, he gets the rest of his Legion to play with fire too! But not only fire, explosives too!
Vulkan is the stereotypical man's wet-dream; tough-guy and plays with flames and explosives! That's the kind of role-model any child should have!
Actually, there's more good stuff to Vulkan than just his being a pyromaniac: he's an upstanding, honourable guy. He and his Legion stand up for the little guys; he stands up to the Dark Eldar on his homeworld (although with their old codex they were bound to lose!) and fights for the loyalists and the people of the Imperium. Other than his slight obsession with fire and explosives, this is one helluva guy to look up to!
So Vulkan's tough, down-to-earth, smart, a pyromaniac, green(cool!), upstanding and honourable? How much of a stand-up cool guy is he?!

So why, if he's such a dude, is Vulkan not higher than 10th?! Well, the obsessed with technology gimmick is a little bit tedious, the remaining Primarchs I like more (duhhh!) and frankly we don't know enough about the guy for him to be liked more. What we know is mostly good, yeah. But I want to see his flaws, his true character and his actions to connect with him better and we just don't have that.
Maybe if we learn more about him he'll be ranked higher, until then though he's at number 10. Don't blame me, blame Games-Workshop, not that you didn't already.

Oooh, I was off by one on my Vulkan prediction.

Mortarion is next. I can feel it.

Okay...Angron is my favorite primarch, but I will agree that he does lack real substance in his character. However, I think the lack of substance is better than substance that is stupid and unnoriginal.

Also, Konrad Curze is in the top 10? Lolwut? Batman is higher on the list than the guy who instigated the Horus Heresy?

Meh, to each his own, I suppose.

Darth Bob wrote:Okay...Angron is my favorite primarch, but I will agree that he does lack real substance in his character. However, I think the lack of substance is better than substance that is stupid and unnoriginal.

Also, Konrad Curze is in the top 10? Lolwut? Batman is higher on the list than the guy who instigated the Horus Heresy?

Meh, to each his own, I suppose.

Wait, Angron himself is stupid and unorginal! He's Angry (big whoop), he's called Angron (wowee) and he's... Ummm... Well, nothing else. His only defining trait is anger and he's unoriginal in that!

And yes, have you seen The Dark Knight?! Also, I believe my explanation will be adequate...

^ What he said.

What little fluff Angron has is all the same damn one-dimensional crap.

Again, I will ask, Will you please state which legion is the primarch from? Some (a very few) I know because they're so well know or you actually put the name of the legion in the comments. Others I'm like WTF who would have him as a leader?
It's hard to appreciate the sentiments when you can't even understand the background or the results of the primarchs' actions.

For Leo_the_Rat:

Lion El'Johnson-Dark Angels
Fulgrim-Emperors Children
Perturabo-Iron warriors
Jaghatai Khan-White scars
Leman Russ-Space Wolves
Rogal Dorn-Imperial Fists
Konrad Curze-Night Lords
Sanguinius-Blood Angels
Ferrus Manus-Iron hands
Angron-World Eaters
Roboute Guilliman-Ultramarines
Mortarion-Death Guard
Magnus the Red-Thousand sons
Horus Lupercarl-Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion
Lorgar-Word Bearers
Vulkan-Salamanders
Corax-Raven Guard
Alpharius Omegon-Alpha Legion.

Just Dave wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:Okay...Angron is my favorite primarch, but I will agree that he does lack real substance in his character. However, I think the lack of substance is better than substance that is stupid and unnoriginal.

Also, Konrad Curze is in the top 10? Lolwut? Batman is higher on the list than the guy who instigated the Horus Heresy?

Meh, to each his own, I suppose.

Wait, Angron himself is stupid and unorginal! He's Angry (big whoop), he's called Angron (wowee) and he's... Ummm... Well, nothing else. His only defining trait is anger and he's unoriginal in that!

And yes, have you seen The Dark Knight?! Also, I believe my explanation will be adequate...

Most of the Primarchs are stupid and unoriginal, to be perfectly honest. But I'd rather have a character that's 1-dimensional than one that's got some silly backstory. In fact, I'd have to say that the only Primarchs who aren't stupid and unoriginal are Alpharius (if you hadn't had him in the top 10 I'd be questioning your sanity), Horus, and Lorgar. Maybe Sanguinius, but he's an overzealous prettyboy whom I hate with a passion.

I'm very excited to see your reasoning for Corax and Kurze, both of which never did ANYTHING, being in the top 10. Corax got his ass handed to him, tried to make some new Space Marines and by the time he finished, the Horus Heresy was over (good timing there, champ). And Kurze was an emo batman wannabe who let himself be killed because "he became exactly what he sought to destroy" (talk about lame). Not to mention his title of "Night Haunter" . At least Angron started the first war of Armageddon and caused an entire planets populace to be sterilized and placed in work camps (even after he lost).

I'm not saying Angron deserves the #1 spot, nor be in the top 10. But he's done a hell of a lot more than Corax and Kurze.

Also, Angron would wipe the floor with the King of the Space Furries.

Sorry Leo, thanks Fauntleroy! I would've just recommended Lexicanum tbh!

I have a feeling Kurze will be in number 1, based on what Dave's said in other threads.

What's the betting he's next ?

@Dave-No problemo, I have some strange obsession with putting all the Legions in order with the names of their Primarch. It was all I could do to not add the Roman Numerals .

Darth Bob wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:Okay...Angron is my favorite primarch, but I will agree that he does lack real substance in his character. However, I think the lack of substance is better than substance that is stupid and unnoriginal.

Also, Konrad Curze is in the top 10? Lolwut? Batman is higher on the list than the guy who instigated the Horus Heresy?

Meh, to each his own, I suppose.

Wait, Angron himself is stupid and unorginal! He's Angry (big whoop), he's called Angron (wowee) and he's... Ummm... Well, nothing else. His only defining trait is anger and he's unoriginal in that!

And yes, have you seen The Dark Knight?! Also, I believe my explanation will be adequate...

Most of the Primarchs are stupid and unoriginal, to be perfectly honest. But I'd rather have a character that's 1-dimensional than one that's got some silly backstory. In fact, I'd have to say that the only Primarchs who aren't stupid and unoriginal are Alpharius (if you hadn't had him in the top 10 I'd be questioning your sanity), Horus, and Lorgar. Maybe Sanguinius, but he's an overzealous prettyboy whom I hate with a passion.

I'm very excited to see your reasoning for Corax and Kurze, both of which never did ANYTHING, being in the top 10. Corax got his ass handed to him, tried to make some new Space Marines and by the time he finished, the Horus Heresy was over (good timing there, champ). And Kurze was an emo batman wannabe who let himself be killed because "he became exactly what he sought to destroy" (talk about lame). Not to mention his title of "Night Haunter" . At least Angron started the first war of Armageddon and caused an entire planets populace to be sterilized and placed in work camps (even after he lost).

I'm not saying Angron deserves the #1 spot, nor be in the top 10. But he's done a hell of a lot more than Corax and Kurze.

Also, Angron would wipe the floor with the King of the Space Furries.

I wont deny that some of the Primarchs are unoriginal, however doesn't prevent them having some semblance or character or sense. Angron is really just Angry. He's never achieved anything but a whole lot of killing, but others have done it better. Horus burned half the galaxy and is an almost tragic hero, Lorgar caused Horus to burn half the galaxy and is both manipulative and zealous, Mortarion causes more deaths than Angron through plagues alone and is a very sinister character. Angron however is just angry IMHO.

But yes, we'll see about Corax and Kurze, although ultimately it is - of course - just me publically expressing my opinion. Yours is welcome, however we'll see once I've got to Corax and Kurze

Finally, I believe in a 1 on 1 fight Russ could beat Angron. I expect Angron would be a raging - yet skilled - madman, whilst Russ would be his natural calm, aggressive and incredibly deadly self. IMHO Angron is better against hordes whilst Russ is superior against individuals. But obviously, unlike how my reasoning for Corax and Kurze will kick your ass, we can't know for sure!

Rowboat Girlyman would kick both their asses though, 'cause Matt Ward says so.

Just Dave wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:Okay...Angron is my favorite primarch, but I will agree that he does lack real substance in his character. However, I think the lack of substance is better than substance that is stupid and unnoriginal.

Also, Konrad Curze is in the top 10? Lolwut? Batman is higher on the list than the guy who instigated the Horus Heresy?

Meh, to each his own, I suppose.

Wait, Angron himself is stupid and unorginal! He's Angry (big whoop), he's called Angron (wowee) and he's... Ummm... Well, nothing else. His only defining trait is anger and he's unoriginal in that!

And yes, have you seen The Dark Knight?! Also, I believe my explanation will be adequate...

Most of the Primarchs are stupid and unoriginal, to be perfectly honest. But I'd rather have a character that's 1-dimensional than one that's got some silly backstory. In fact, I'd have to say that the only Primarchs who aren't stupid and unoriginal are Alpharius (if you hadn't had him in the top 10 I'd be questioning your sanity), Horus, and Lorgar. Maybe Sanguinius, but he's an overzealous prettyboy whom I hate with a passion.

I'm very excited to see your reasoning for Corax and Kurze, both of which never did ANYTHING, being in the top 10. Corax got his ass handed to him, tried to make some new Space Marines and by the time he finished, the Horus Heresy was over (good timing there, champ). And Kurze was an emo batman wannabe who let himself be killed because "he became exactly what he sought to destroy" (talk about lame). Not to mention his title of "Night Haunter" . At least Angron started the first war of Armageddon and caused an entire planets populace to be sterilized and placed in work camps (even after he lost).

I'm not saying Angron deserves the #1 spot, nor be in the top 10. But he's done a hell of a lot more than Corax and Kurze.

Also, Angron would wipe the floor with the King of the Space Furries.

I wont deny that some of the Primarchs are unoriginal, however doesn't prevent them having some semblance or character or sense. Angron is really just Angry. He's never achieved anything but a whole lot of killing, but others have done it better. Horus burned half the galaxy and is an almost tragic hero, Lorgar caused Horus to burn half the galaxy and is both manipulative and zealous, Mortarion causes more deaths than Angron through plagues alone and is a very sinister character. Angron however is just angry IMHO.

But yes, we'll see about Corax and Kurze, although ultimately it is - of course - just me publically expressing my opinion. Yours is welcome, however we'll see once I've got to Corax and Kurze

Finally, I believe in a 1 on 1 fight Russ could beat Angron. I expect Angron would be a raging - yet skilled - madman, whilst Russ would be his natural calm, aggressive and incredibly deadly self. IMHO Angron is better against hordes whilst Russ is superior against individuals. But obviously, unlike how my reasoning for Corax and Kurze will kick your ass, we can't know for sure!

I agree, and I respect your opinion and your right to express it. I wasn't being sarcastic, I really am excited to see your reasoning behind Corax and Kurze in the top 10. However, I've gotta ask, why is Lorgar so low on the list? I'd think he minimally beats Khan for a spot in the top 10.

Edit: Also, I highly doubt Mortarion and company has killed more people than Angron and company. During the Dominion of Fire, he killed over 70 sectors worth of Imperial citizens. That alone is a crapload of people.

sorry, but Calgar has more Moxy then Girlyman. pimp fists and all.

Darth Bob wrote:Alpharius (if you hadn't had him in the top 10 I'd be questioning your sanity), Horus, and Lorgar. Maybe Sanguinius, but he's an overzealous prettyboy whom I hate with a passion.

So basically anyone who's a loyalist is unoriginal and boring? Great.

Grey Templar wrote:sorry, but Calgar has more Moxy then Girlyman. pimp fists and all.

Calgar...pimp...must...resist...CAN'T!!!

Melissia wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:Alpharius (if you hadn't had him in the top 10 I'd be questioning your sanity), Horus, and Lorgar. Maybe Sanguinius, but he's an overzealous prettyboy whom I hate with a passion.

So basically anyone who's a loyalist is unoriginal and boring? Great.

Well, Sanguinius, I will admit is a pretty dynamic character, I just personally don't like him. But overall, yeah pretty much. It goes back to the case where the villains in a story are usually more dynamic characters than the heroes. To me, the Primarchs don't break that tradition.

Although Alpharius is kinda a loyalist...or is he?

Darth Bob wrote:Although Alpharius is kinda a loyalist...or is he?

I'm not sure Alpha Legion have any clue what they are.